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30 Mar 2016, 14:04
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30 Mar 2016, 14:04#1
After watching Kriel in the game against the Sunwolves I got the feeling that Kriel is more interested in displaying his muscles than in playing rugby.  He will have to pick up his game massively if he wants to remain in the hunt for Springbok selection.   
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30 Mar 2016, 15:13
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30 Mar 2016, 15:13#2
 Kriel will be in the Bok squad this year, bar innjury. All players have bad games. He is too good to have many more.
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30 Mar 2016, 15:36
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30 Mar 2016, 15:36#3
    I know - but Dave will have a fit when he sees what I wrote!!!!!!
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30 Mar 2016, 15:51
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30 Mar 2016, 15:51#4
 Kriel=JJ
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30 Mar 2016, 16:10
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30 Mar 2016, 16:10#5
 Moz, that might turn out to be true,  but he deserves a proper chance. Some players get even better in a Bok jumper. We won't know before we test him....Meyers greatest failing was expanding the squad and some that were givenen opportunities were trown into the deep end and discarded too soon. I would wager that, if Pollard did not perform in his first test, Morne would have remained first choice 10. And that was the AB's in NZ. How much more difficult do you get? Set up to fail? If you look at some of the other chances given, you don't have to be a cynic to smell something rotten in the sellections in Meyers tenure. 
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30 Mar 2016, 16:32
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30 Mar 2016, 16:32#6
@Saffex- Jessie Kriel is moving back to Fullback.

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    • Pretoria - Bulls coach Nollis Marais has moved Jesse Kriel to fullback for their Super Rugby clash against the Cheetahs at Loftus Versfeld in Pretoria on Saturday.

    Kriel, who started at centre in the win against the Sunwolves last weekend, replaces Warrick Gelant, who has been ruled out of action due to a broken jaw sustained in the same match, in a revised back three.

    Travis Ismaiel returns to the starting team as right wing, with Jamba Ulengo replacing Bjorn Basson on the left. Basson is injured.

    Jan Serfontein will return to the midfield to link up with Burger Odendaal. His place on the bench will be taken by SP Marais. The former Southern Kings and Sharks player could debut for the Bulls if he takes to the field.

    Marais also bracketed Arno Botha and Nic de Jager at the back of the scrum. Lappies Labuschagne is back to full fitness and is named on the bench pending Wednesday afternoon’s training session, with De Jager as possible cover, should Labuschagne pull out.

    Scrumhalf Piet van Zyl has been released to the Currie Cup team for match fitness and Ivan van Zyl will deputise at scrumhalf.

    Marais believes his team is due a solid performance.

    “We have to get it right. We are battling to put together 80 minutes of rugby at a time. We have been lucky so far that it did not come back to bite us, but we cannot continue like that if we have title ambitions. We need to sustain our first half effort and the players are very aware of that.”

    Bulls captain, Adriaan Strauss, is expecting another tough and typical local derby.

    "The Cheetahs will be pumped to come here and beat us. This is one of their big matches of the year and if we cannot repel their enthusiasm and commitment by producing our own 80 minute effort, we will be in trouble. Luckily, the team is very aware of that. We are playing at home and have the expectations of our fans, but also the drive from within the team to deliver a good performance."

    Teams:

    Bulls

    15 Jesse Kriel, 14 Travis Ismaiel, 13 Jan Serfontein, 12 Burger Odendaal, 11 Jamba Ulengo, 10 Tian Schoeman, 9 Rudy Paige, 8 Arno Botha/Nic de Jager, 7 Jannes Kirsten, 6 Roelof Smit, 5 RG Snyman, 4 Jason Jenkins, 3 Marcel van der Merwe, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Lizo Gqoboka

    Substitutes: 16 Bandise Maku, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Pierre Schoeman, 19 Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg, 20 Lappies Labuschagne, 21 Ivan van Zyl, 22 Francois Brummer, 23 SP Marais

    Cheetahs

    TBA

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30 Mar 2016, 16:37
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30 Mar 2016, 16:37#7
 He was moved to full back because of the injury to Gelant - that is all that Marais could do.  
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30 Mar 2016, 16:39
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30 Mar 2016, 16:39#8
 Sure he deserves a chance, but he has played a whole international season, including a World Cup. So we have some data.....to me that data suggests he is an effective runner in space. Which in turn suggests he is a wing or fullback.
Centre in modern tests is like the Shield Wall in the Saxon chronicles, a brutal place ...and Kriel  is not Uhtred of Bebba nburg.
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30 Mar 2016, 16:56
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30 Mar 2016, 16:56#9
 Mozart
How many tests did he play in before the WC and how many in the WC.  He played together with De Allende as center partner in the tests before the WC exactly three times. and during the WC he played with De Villiers - who flopped in the Japan game and then four more tests in the series.  In all the WC games the Meyer Fools' Rugby was played - so there was no means to really assess the player.
There is no way a reasonable assessment can be made of the player based on the rubbish where the fyhalf was effectively sidelined and the inside center was second receiver of balls from the loosies/forwards.
      
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30 Mar 2016, 17:06
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30 Mar 2016, 17:06#10
 Sorry, I was erroneously referring to the other Kriel, but I think Jesse still have a shot, although 13 or 15 might not really be his best spot.
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30 Mar 2016, 18:32
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30 Mar 2016, 18:32#11
 Jesse Kriel is just another talentless chump who was given national colours by Meyer. 
Meyer's list of failed bozos sure is a lengthy one. 
We have MUCH better options at 13 and at 15 than this waste of space.



 
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30 Mar 2016, 19:50
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30 Mar 2016, 19:50#12
 It will take Mike and Dave a long time to get there, but I'm afraid this dog won't hunt at centre.
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30 Mar 2016, 21:45
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30 Mar 2016, 21:45#13
 I am not convinced either way - my norm remains, he must prove himself.   
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30 Mar 2016, 22:20
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30 Mar 2016, 22:20#14
One of CCs good points. Far from HM not giving players chances he gave chances to far too many players who simply flopped................Basson, Taute, JJ, Stepfontein, Kriel, Goosen, Reinach, Hougaard at 9, Greyling, Koch, Marcel van Der Merwe joke, Stephanie, Daniels, Mohoje, Arno Botha.....and others.
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31 Mar 2016, 09:38
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31 Mar 2016, 09:38#15
Mozart
Who ultimately flopped worse?  The players Meyer pleaded with to return to play Springbok rugby - two of whom has the sense to retire fromn international rugby because they themselves said they were not competitive anymore (Botha and Steenkamp).  
Ultimately - the worst ones were Zane Kirchner, Jacque Fourie, Jean de Villiers (largely because of injury), Morne Steyn, Francois Steyn, Ruan Pienaar, Willem Alberts, Victor Matfield, Jannie du Plessis.
The above were regulars in Meyer's squad - even included in the WC squad - while your list include players with very little international exposure and then also the foolish comments on players you have disliked for a long time as well.  Serfontein, Kriel, Goosen, Reinach, Du Toit and Serfontein is absolute tripe on your part - mostly pr ejudice without any real substance and proven under-performance.        
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31 Mar 2016, 14:03
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31 Mar 2016, 14:03#16
Set aside your bias Mike that list have all failed to grasp a starting role, though they have been given many chances. Some of the old guys you cite might have played past their best. But at least most of them, Kirchner who I never liked aside, have contributed to important Bok wins. The newbies are just a dream of what fans want to see.
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31 Mar 2016, 14:06
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31 Mar 2016, 14:06#17
 So you mention Serfontein twice as not a failure. You really think Step is a RC level test centre then. I never thought you did, I thought you had at least missed that bit of the Dave disease.
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31 Mar 2016, 15:08
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31 Mar 2016, 15:08#18
 Mozart
Serfotein had some good moments against Wales - but you refuse to give him credit at all.  He was at best tried by Meyer to fill in - never really a regular in the side.   I do not think he is the right guy for the job - but that is not the issue here.  You turned it into an attack of all the younger players.  Goosen had very little exposure in tests - and when he did you wrote him off despite good performances because you prefer the atrocious Morne Steyn and the worse Francois Steyn.
I would like to quote what you wrote above:-
"But at least most of them, Kirchner who I never liked aside, have contributed to important Bok wins. The newbies are just a dream of what fans want to see."
The essence is granted - but the question is whether in 2014 and 2015 the players you so ardetly supported at the time have still contributed to wins in tests.  In some cases they actually succeeded or nearly succeeded in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in those years.   One has in that regard have to look at what Matfield and Steyn contributed to the AB test in 2014 and the Perth test that same year?  Morne succeeded and only a desperate penalty conversion by Lambie - which you regarded at the time as not a pressure kick - avoided a loss by the Springboks.  
Players have not been given the numerous chances you so often said they had. Aside from Serfontein - most of the players you listed have had less than 5 tests played by the time the WC came around.   That is not a sound basis for evaluating players.  But then before they played they were already under attack by you.
I am actually delighted that the older players are out of the way and they can start afresh building up a team for the future - but that would again be destroyed by the new coach if it happens to eb Coetzee.  
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31 Mar 2016, 15:38
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31 Mar 2016, 15:38#19
Don't worry about the coach being Coetzee, worry about the fact that they are going to force the team to be 50% black! 
This is the same old argument again, Old vs Young bla bla bla! I will say this on the matter, I was very excited by Kriel when he first burst onto the international scene, but I am starting to have my doubts about the fellow now. Physically he has all the attributes but I have not seen much of that initial X-factor. Where Moz does have it wrong however, is De Allende, He is the real deal. 
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31 Mar 2016, 16:05
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31 Mar 2016, 16:05#20
 Kriel did well at fullback in super rugby (I think it was last year).
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31 Mar 2016, 16:21
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31 Mar 2016, 16:21#21
 He was better at FB for the Bulls than he ever was at 13 for the Boks.
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31 Mar 2016, 16:49
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31 Mar 2016, 16:49#22
'I do not think he was the right guy for the job'.....hallelujah....he is a slow, small stone. The only thing that amazes me about this guy is the hype, and the fact that it continued, game after game, with no performance. Hell Dave told us he was going to be much better than Jean....why? At the same age Jean would have spotted him 10 metres in the 100.
Kriel is proving to be the same disappointment, JJ was the same, also Taute, Goosen, Reinach.

Allende has got a shot. He has the physicality to play modern centre. But does he have the vision?
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31 Mar 2016, 18:42
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31 Mar 2016, 18:42#23
 Stop spo uting your prejudice and see what happen when these players get a decent chance playing according to a decent game plan.   
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31 Mar 2016, 19:39
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31 Mar 2016, 19:39#24
Whether he plays fullback or centre, Jesse Kriel is a great prospect and he was one of the only Springbok backs to show any kind of flair last season.
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31 Mar 2016, 19:41
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31 Mar 2016, 19:41#25
Ou Maaik, you're arguing with the fool who thought Damian De Allende was a "tractor" last season.
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31 Mar 2016, 21:06
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31 Mar 2016, 21:06#26
Stop yapping Rooinek, it seems the only reason you are on here is to yap at me...not cool. As for your opinions, is the guy who didn't want Etzebeth and Vermeulen to be Boks entitled to an opinion? There's being wrong and then there is AAS wrong.
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01 Apr 2016, 02:08
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01 Apr 2016, 02:08#27
 Moz....a question.
Why don't you ignore the board Watchdog? All I see is him snapping at your heels at every single one of your posts.
Seriously mate, I don't understand why you bother to respond to his meaningless drivel? I'm sure there are others like me who don't bother to read his posts and  I'm sure you have better things to do with your time.
The man is a grumble bum. Period!
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01 Apr 2016, 04:33
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01 Apr 2016, 04:33#28
 You think? The poor guy couldn't even make it as a journalist on the Roar, a pretty low bar in a field which in itself is characterized by mediocrity. Just the latest flop, no wonder the poor guy is so bitter.

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