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Time for Rassie to get off his fat Arse

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KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
18 Jan 2022, 18:46
#1
18 Jan 2022, 18:46#1

So Rassies suspension has now been lifted, he is now in back at work and ready to start planning our road ahead. However, he has been very involved in the springboks over the last 4 years. Has been able to put a decent squad together but only because SARU allowed him to pick foreign based players. Although, the boks were able to use them before. 


The evidence was pretty clear with 17 players in the last matchday squad all based abroad. 


My real issue is our local teams. We got our asses handed to us in the URC with not much player depth in our franchise teams. 


The bulls and sharks are able to pull in some big names but the stormers and lions have completely fallen away. 


So what is Rassie doing to help our franchises. We still have youngster hopping on a plane for a better future. 


Wiese is a good example of a player that was performing okay but all of a sudden seems to be playing out of his skin once he finds a club abroad. We see if with Tyrone Green, Grant Esterhuizen, to name a few players that are doing really well. 

Skosan is scoring tries all of a sudden. 


Rassie need to catch a wakeup and start figuring out how we can strengthen our franchises. He has been in the job for 4 years but we our franchises is being destroyed. 


It doesn't sound like his Poni scheme is working. 


Are foreign clubs better equiped to look after our players? 


I look at Ireland and they seem to be playing a fantastic brand of rugby, good ball skills, player depth and all four provinces are competitive. 


I'm not sure whether we should continue to allow our best players to go abroad. 


We need to have decent squad depth and allow our players to feel secure. 


So I don't whether we should ban foreign players from the bok team, but we can't carry on like this as our boks will start to implode due to having all of our players being abroad. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jan 2022, 20:37
#2
18 Jan 2022, 20:37#2

KC

There is nothing Rassie can do about the other franchises - he is not a financier that would save them from bankruptcy.    

Through massive mismanagement in the case of the WP  the present situation is that WP is under administration of SARU who are trying to save them from themselves.   The obvious fact it that the two franchises you mentioned has sold majority shareholding in the two to private companies and they are effectively run based on private business  principles and practices.

Th Lions and Western Provinces should follow the example  of the other two and get private ow nership and get rid of the politico's. and amateurs running the show at present.   

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2022, 20:56
#3
18 Jan 2022, 20:56#3
There are more than 100 provincial standard players plying their trade abroad. That is about 7 or 8 sides worth of players missing in our local rugby Therein lies the issue and there is nothing Rassie can do about this fact
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jan 2022, 21:28
#4
18 Jan 2022, 21:28#4

If we start competing and play some decent rugga, it will get better...and the money will improve. Stormers in Cape Town is quite marketable...a few good sponsors and a semi decent season might change things around pronto.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jan 2022, 01:37
#5
19 Jan 2022, 01:37#5

We can’t play as an afterthought in Europe…..work on the return of the Super 12. Harrassmiss may not be able to  solve the NH conundrum by himself…..but he has done almost nothing to bring in new talent. The short term answer might be to more aggressively bring in  new talent playing up north, like Tyrone Green, thus denying him to other bidders.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jan 2022, 02:12
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19 Jan 2022, 02:12#6
Rassie has brought in plenty of talent when there was little room for new players in a squad containing established players Why would he be bringing in loads of new players when he managed to turn quality players lost under Coetzee, into world beating players? Rassie has awarded loads of players caps and then identified his best squad players. He has got most of his selections right Rassie has selected the following players: Fullbacks: Willie, Fassi, Gelant and Willemse Wings: Mapimpi, Kolbe, Nkosi, Ismail, Specman, Dyantyi and Penxe Centres: de Allende, Jessie Kriel, Am, Esterhuizen, Similane and Frans Flyhalves: Pollard, Jantjies, Robert du Preez and Bosch Scrumhalves: Faf, Reinach, Jantjies, Hendrikse, Williams, Ivan v Zyl, Papier and Nohamba Props: Malherbe, Nyakane, Nqoboka ,Coenie, Koch, Thomas du Toit, Ox Nche and Wilco Louw Hookers: Marx , Scara, Grobelaar, Mbonambi, Brits, Aker and Dweba Locks: Etzebeth, Lood, RG Snyman, Mostert, Jason Jenkins, JD Schickerling, Moerat, Orie and Nico Janse v Rensburg Loosies: Vermeulen, Kolisi, PSDT, Notshe, Kwagga, v Staaden, Wiese, Louw, Elstadt, JL du Preez, Marcel Coetzee and Dan du Preez That’s an impressive list
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Jan 2022, 08:09
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19 Jan 2022, 08:09#7
All good and well to say it is a impressive list, but most of these players do not get game time....what is the use of that? Zero....instead of giving new players game time, he is still riding on the core of players that came from previous World Cup victories. I agree rassie have to do more, and don’t tell me he can’t do more, or have the power as SA Rugby director....if he can’t do anything, why is he in this position in the first place?
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
19 Jan 2022, 13:14
#8
19 Jan 2022, 13:14#8

My point is that our franchises has fallen  apart. We simply can not select a team based on local  players that can beat the tier one teams. It is pretty evident when we played Wales out of the International window. 

Our Franchises got destroyed by the lions etc. 

The only thing that would change this is to stop selecting foreign based players. 

The french has been complaining about the SA players. Pollard has dropped from a $1million contract to £600 000 contract. We as SA should be able to afford him at R12 million rand between a franchise and SA rugby. We should be able to afford at least 45 players with a contract between R5 million to R10 million. 

But I have a random thought and that is is for SA to team up with the Ruperts of the world  and buy stakes in  major clubs abroad in  England, France and Japan with the view that players can be loaned out per season to feather their bed and get more money in. 

NZ is allowing a bunch of their players to go abroad. Why can't we do it with 45 of our top players. 


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jan 2022, 17:05
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19 Jan 2022, 17:05#9

Hun’s English starters included only 3 players who weren’t Springboks before he took over…..after 3 years. Lot’s of window dressing in the squads…..but this man is playing with the HM/Coetzee team.

This dearth of experience for the next generation is going to be a big issue ….most likely by the WC.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Jan 2022, 20:08
#10
19 Jan 2022, 20:08#10

"Hun’s English starters included only 3 players who weren’t Springboks before he took over…..after 3 years. Lot’s of window dressing in the squads…..but this man is playing with the HM/Coetzee team."

Yet he gets results with these players...and he braught just the right mix of discarded players. 

Meyer capped a few players. but never really invested caps in a lot of them...only played them when the old players were injured...the current team is at it's peak and doesn't need much new blood...and Rassie lost more than a year due to covid...plus we got shafted with the RC draw this year...probably next year too...

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jan 2022, 22:45
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19 Jan 2022, 22:45#11
Oh boy what stupidity here Why would Rassie bring in new players when the existing players are the best we have, regardless of whether they were playing under Coetzee or not. The point being that under Coetzee these very same players had us sitting at number 7 in the rankings thanks to a useless coach Rassie came on board and changed the players into world beaters Why the fuck would you change any of the likes of Willie, Mapimpi, Kolbe, Nkosi, Kriel, Am, de Allende, Pollard, Jantjies, Faf, Reinach, Jantjies, Kitshoff, Ox Nche, Malherbe, Nyakane, Koch, Thomas, Wilco Louw, Marx, Mbonambi, Etzebeth, Lood, RG, Kolisi, Kwagga, PSDT, Louw and Vermeulen
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Jan 2022, 22:53
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19 Jan 2022, 22:53#12
It,s not about replacing them, it,s about building depth....sad as it is, but players are getting older and soon there careers will come to a end...it would not be wise to first wait till these mature players leave, before you have the next incumbents.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jan 2022, 23:37
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19 Jan 2022, 23:37#13
Well that’s why we have seen the introduction of Fassi, Gelant, Nkosi, Willemse, Jantjies, Ox, Dweba, Wilco, Thomas du Toit, Nico Janse v Rensburg, Kwagga, v Staaden, the du Preez twins and Wiese
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Jan 2022, 23:39
#14
19 Jan 2022, 23:39#14
Another reason why you want to build depth now, so that while our mature players like Willie, Vermeulen, Frans etc are there, they can guide these players into the action of international Rugby. The only true way of building depth, is to give the new players as much game as possible to build maturity and Big match temperament.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jan 2022, 23:52
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19 Jan 2022, 23:52#15
Well Willie will be guiding Fassi, Gelant and Willemse as will Frans Vermeulen will be guiding Kwagga, the du Preez twins and Wiese
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jan 2022, 23:59
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19 Jan 2022, 23:59#16
Given how good all the top 9 sides are these days it’s very difficult to experiment and not use your best side each time But we know Rassie has been brave enough to do that like he did when we played Oz before the WC and was it Wales we played against in the US
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
20 Jan 2022, 00:08
#17
20 Jan 2022, 00:08#17
Now that would be wonderful when Rassie would do that in 2022 as much as what they can....” Given how good all the top 9 sides are these days it’s very difficult to experiment and not use your best side each time“ - I agree it is a difficult balance to maintain and I sincerely hope that R&N gets that balance right in 2022- to be honest I can’t wait for international season to start, so all of us can get clarity on Bok future, new coaching methods and off coarse new players.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Jan 2022, 01:19
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20 Jan 2022, 01:19#18
Yes I want to see Fassi starting at 15 I want to see some youngsters put their hands up at centre I want to see RG Snyman back in full flight partnering Eben I want to see Ivan Roos, Tshituka and Elrigh Louw brought on board I want to see the end of Frans Steyn, Mostert and Orie as test players It will be interesting to see if there is anything left in the Vermeulen tank - he looked a shadow of his WC form last year. I suspect 36 is a stretch too far
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
20 Jan 2022, 01:23
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20 Jan 2022, 01:23#19
The only player I don’t agree with is Mostert....as you say in Afrikaans “ Mostert is n Kannie Dood “ Tough as nails this guy and we need him.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jan 2022, 02:46
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20 Jan 2022, 02:46#20
Dave you are in love…..after constantly harping on new talent, we introduce none of them….and you make excuses. And there are plenty of guys in that list who are ordinary. He never changed these guys into world beaters, he reverted to 1980s Bools rugby and it worked for one game at the WC….not so much  this year…8/5.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Jan 2022, 12:28
#21
20 Jan 2022, 12:28#21
Nope not in love - Rassie is mostly spot on with his selections and there is nothing ordinary about that list. Most on the list are the best in the game or damn close Why would you want to introduce new players when you have world class players in their prime winning you WC titles, RC’s, Lions series and retaining the number 1 spot since 2019. It’s a no brainer
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Jan 2022, 12:32
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20 Jan 2022, 12:32#22
Mpower - Mostert is a physical liability - all you see is heart and energy - look deeper and you see a player who comes off second best in the physical battle because he is too damn lazy to bulk up in the gym. There are so many better physical lock options in SA to choose from I have no time for physically inferior test locks, especially Bok locks Only the less physical Matfield had the right to be selected as he was a supreme athlete and took the trouble to bulk up to a respectable 115kg in his prime. Mostert is a sad pretender
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
20 Jan 2022, 14:25
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20 Jan 2022, 14:25#23
I get it Saffex you like them Big.....you like them chunky.....but when I see mostert place I see, a good scrum lock, all over the park, good defender, links well with backline in open play and last but not least big engine....I mean like a Peterbilt truck, with a CAT C15 motor 550 Hp....he will outlast, outrun any of these big and chunky ones.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Jan 2022, 16:15
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20 Jan 2022, 16:15#24
You don’t know your rugby if you think running around with lots of energy and heart but with limited physical impact is a positive. How the hell is he going to be a good scrumming lock when he has no physical grunt? Links well with the back line??? When exactly has he done that? Big Etzebeth lasts a full 80 minutes without an issue - you are speaking kak about him outlasting the big guys Mostert is all huff with no puff
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
20 Jan 2022, 16:51
#25
20 Jan 2022, 16:51#25
Ai Saffex you are most probably the only one that sees it like this ....even King ding a ling, the one and only, Rassie Erasmus thinks the world of him.
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
20 Jan 2022, 17:04
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20 Jan 2022, 17:04#26
Go and check any of Mostert,s tribute videos on YouTube, like the one Called “Franco Mostert - The Workhorse” and if you can’t see what I mean, then you are biased towards Mostert.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Jan 2022, 17:31
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20 Jan 2022, 17:31#27
If Rassie rated him that highly why does he keep dropping him? The video tributes show zero big carries in traffic, zero physical clear outs and zero big physical tackles - basic prerequisites of a test lock Like I said you don’t know your rugby I’m certainly not the only one who sees through the heart and energy of Mostert As soon as we have Lood, Eben and RG fit you won’t see Mostert in the match 23
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
20 Jan 2022, 17:56
#28
20 Jan 2022, 17:56#28
Ok Lets wait and see.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jan 2022, 18:26
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20 Jan 2022, 18:26#29

Dave if you can document one Bok scrum that was less effective after Mostert was subbed on (we hardly ever see him subbed off…a lesson in itself) you might have a case. Mostert does everything  Dud Toit does, but is a better lineout option and a better open field tackler. He isn’t a better runner, but Dud Toit can’t run either.

And in a more modern game plan where forwards are expected to handle, to pass, to offload….he is vastly superior to Dud,

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
21 Jan 2022, 23:31
#30
21 Jan 2022, 23:31#30
I see that Stormers coach John Dobson is considering to choose Damian Willemse at 12 and Gelant at 15....it will be good to see how Willemse perform in that position as this will be good for Boks as backup for DA
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Jan 2022, 00:12
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22 Jan 2022, 00:12#31

Moz has been advocating Willemse at 12 for some time. Finally the coaches are catching up.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
22 Jan 2022, 00:25
#32
22 Jan 2022, 00:25#32
Let’s hope Dobson sticks with his plan
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Jan 2022, 17:23
#33
23 Jan 2022, 17:23#33

Well, he didn't, but the Stormers still won at Roftus...lekkerrrr!!!!

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
23 Jan 2022, 20:57
#34
23 Jan 2022, 20:57#34
Ok cool go Stormers
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
23 Jan 2022, 21:28
#35
23 Jan 2022, 21:28#35
Gelant showed yet again why he is so good....with his bit magic and positive play he sealed it for Stormers.....did not watch the whole game, just highlights....but Roos yet again was solid....real pity Damian was not playing 12 as I think he might be brilliant there....I think the guy is being abused not really being allowed to settle in a position and grow from there.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Jan 2022, 20:08
#36
24 Jan 2022, 20:08#36
Bullshit Moz - Mostert does not do the same as PSDT for if he did he would have been named world player of the year and he would have been retained at 7 in PSDT absence - but instead was replaced by tiny Kwagga as he was so shit Mostert is a physical liability and that’s a fact. He never gets the better of an opponent in contact, never makes metres in traffic, never makes a big physical hit and never effects a dominant clear out. These are all things PSDT does and does well and the very reason he was named world player of the year - it was certainly not for flashy play. Given how thin, small shouldered and the lack of bulk that makes up Mostert there is absolutely no way he can be an asset in the scrum. The scrum is a collective when it comes to scrumming and it’s only the props one can really finger when there is an obvious failing - that is not possible with the rest of the players making up the scrum. Obvious physics tells me Mostert adds less value than the other locks used. This is further evidenced by his inability to dominate any physical battle in general play Mostett is crap
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
26 Jan 2022, 12:48
#37
26 Jan 2022, 12:48#37
“ Franco Mostert’s innate desire to spend himself physically for the team and pay scant attention to his personal safety is probably as good a reason as any behind why he’s ever-present in a team coached by Jacques Nienaber and Rassie Erasmus “ - Mostert “ sous “ forever....lekker
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Jan 2022, 16:34
#38
26 Jan 2022, 16:34#38
Mostert is crap
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
26 Jan 2022, 17:27
#39
26 Jan 2022, 17:27#39
Ja off course Mr. Know it all...you know better than Rassie, Nienaber and the whole of the springboks Coaching staff....like I said dream on!!
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Jan 2022, 19:39
#40
26 Jan 2022, 19:39#40
Well they keep dropping the useless pretender so they are eventually waking up to how kak he is With Eben, Lood and RG fit he won’t smell the match 23 He was utterly useless at 7 where 100kg Kwagga had to replace him
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