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Time to call SA's bluff

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
09 Apr 2016, 06:17
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09 Apr 2016, 06:17#1
Super Rugby: Time to call South Africa’s bluff?   Roar Rookie

By Boz the Younger, 4 Apr 2016  

Does the new Super Rugby structure benefit South Africa too much? YES YES YES


There have been a number of articles about the new Super Rugby format being a shemozzle, but I have withheld judgement until now.

I have been sceptical about the inclusion of the sixth South African team, the Kings, but I have liked the idea of including a Argentinean and Japanese teams. The teams from new countries add a different flavour to the competition and helping rugby grow its non-traditional strongholds appeals to me.

After several weeks, I don’t like the new format. This is due to the way the draw is set up, which unfairly favours South African teams. As Africa has two conferences, two African teams are guaranteed spots as conference leaders.

This advantages those teams by putting them higher on the pecking order to host finals series games than potentially better teams in the Australian and New Zealand conferences. This is an advantage both in improving the odds of a win and in revenues for the African conference clubs.

Compounding this unfairness is that the inclusion of three new teams, the Kings, Sunwolves and Jaguares, are all in the African conferences. This means that the best South African teams like the Stormers and the Sharks have more bankable wins and are better able to manage player workloads.

Even the weaker South African franchises are benefitting from this, does anybody really think the Lions would currently be in eighth wildcard position on the Super Rugby ladder if they didn’t have the Jaguares and Kings in their conference?

Certainly the conference system as it was until last year disadvantaged the New Zealand teams, who on many occasions would give up a top finals place to Australian and South African teams that they would have earned on points playing tougher matches against other New Zealand teams.

Unfortunately if the Super Rugby finals placings until 2015 had been entirely merit based, Australia or South Africa would have missed out entirely and the competition would have lost its appeal in those countries.

It would have struggled to survive. The Kiwis compromise in the spirit of the game should be acknowledged.(Hear that beanhead)

However, where the old draw constituted a necessar y compromise, the new one appears to have been driven by the desire to include non SANZAR nations in the competition, which I consider to be a good thing. It also appears to be driven by South African political interests and abuse of commercial power, which is not a good thing.

Statistically giving South Africa teams more than twice the chance to get into the finals, plus other advantages compared to a New Zealand or Australian team, goes against the spirit of fair competition.

I see several potential ways to address this situation.

1. Include the Sunwolves and the Jaguares in the New Zealand and Australian conferences, for three conferences of six teams each

The advantage of this would be that each conference would only get one conference leader and one wild card spot, so the competition would be fair again.

The disadvantages include that the competition wouldn’t be much fun for the Sunwolves and Jaguares to begin with, and scheduling compromises would need to be made in order to avoid blowing out the length of the competition.

2. Australia and New Zealand breaks away from South Africa and runs their own competition, including teams from Asia, the Americas and potentially the Pacific
The advantages of this would be that the integrity of Super Rugby would no longer be prisoner to South African rugby politics. It would replace the large broadcast market in South Africa with even larger potential markets in new regions.

Aside from the Japanese and Argentinean markets which are now served by Super Rugby, the US, Canada and the Pacific Islands are other potential bases for new teams.

3. South Africa stops insisting on having a sixth team and goes back to having a five-South African-team conference
Growth of the game could be addressed with three new teams from Asia, the Pacific and/or the Americas, with all five non-SANZAR teams forming their own conference and gaining one conference leader spot.

This would grow and add variety to the competition, while providing balanced development opportunities for new teams.

Whatever option was to be adopted, be it one of the above or something else, I am fairly certain that the need to accommodate South African demands which undermine the integrity of the competition.

I would hate to see a central nation in international rugby like South Africa leave Super Rugby. However, the people in charge of the game need to be confronted with the fact that they are not indispensable if they continue to insist on making unreasonable demands.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 Apr 2016, 13:48
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09 Apr 2016, 13:48#2
Did you ever make such a post about how it was unfair to the SA teams to have to travel further than the NZ and Oz teams and how that could affect performances? Or about how SA teams are hamstrung through politics and how this is unfair? All things considered, the current format is probably the most fair. Wouldn't you say? Indeed SA's teams and bosses involvement in S18 is not indispensable nor crucial to the leagues existence. Though it has to be mentioned that the S18 is not crucial to SA's rugby future either. Neither is the RC. Remember, it is a shorter trip to Europe and the pay packet is bigger while game times are more acceptable to fans also. So maybe SA does have a bit of weight to throw around ;) The new format is advantageous to the SA teams. See, I can admit that ;)
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Apr 2016, 13:53
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09 Apr 2016, 13:53#3
 Plum, you seems to be smarting up...I find myself to be agreeing with more and more of your posts.SA teams don't travel further, they just tour double the time on long distance games. No one's fault really. Geography. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Apr 2016, 16:11
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09 Apr 2016, 16:11#4
 Hakwa
Nobody likes the preset set-up, but the NZ and Austyralian conferences will do nothing about it.   Reason the big money for the tournament comes from SA.   Without that financial contribution the NZ and Australian Professional games will be on the skids. 
That is the unfortunate part here - money talks and no degree of moaning and groaning would help here.    
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Apr 2016, 18:26
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09 Apr 2016, 18:26#5
I have to agree that the inclsiuon of the kings was not done on merit. It was done to appease the anc.The jaguars are almost the Argies test side and will bea worthy addition. Sun Wolves will improve.However with  half our players overseas we should not have 6 sides in.
If it were practical playing up norht could be our salvation. Would probably mean not loosing as many players as we would earn pounds/euroes
 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Apr 2016, 21:47
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09 Apr 2016, 21:47#6
Beeno 
Do you know the difference between winter and summer?   Rugby is a winter sport with a break in summer.   Problem is our summer off season is mid-winter in Europe - so how is that going to fit in with the NH Club schedules?      
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
10 Apr 2016, 11:30
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10 Apr 2016, 11:30#7
Mike, if our club teams competed in Europe, wouldn't it mean that the season would last all year be more drawn out. IE Fresher Boks? And wouldn't it mean the Boks would have more prep time? That's not a statement. It's an honest question.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Apr 2016, 12:06
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10 Apr 2016, 12:06#8
 The problem is that the NH teams take a break from the end of their season - mostly late May to middle to late August.   Our teams break is from basically early November - except for the Springboks - where the break is from end November to late February.
That in reality is that the players will never really get a break - since the CC comp runs through the SA winter season and the various franchises would rather use their players in that period than give them a rest.
I cannot see NH comps as a solution to the present scenario.
I would rather see a three way comp with three Conferences comprising five teams each.  
*   The SA Franchise having 4 teams from SA and 1 from Argentina*   The Australian Conference having 4 teams from Australia and 1 from Japan*   The NZ teams having 5 teams from NZ.
The competition should be restructured on the following basis:-
The various teams should play all  other teams once - ie 14 games and then the top 8 teams play in play-off games - leaving four teams for the semis, etc.  That could produce a travel problem in the later phases of the game - so they should be careful to ensure that the top 8 play-off sides have to travel as little as possible.   The top 4 teams should have home games and the next four away games.
I think reduction of the number of teams involv ed by eliminating the weakest two SA teams and the one from Australia would be in the interest of the tournament as a whole.     
    

      
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