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Time to take Ireland seriously; Planet Rugby

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Mar 2015, 16:29
#1
08 Mar 2015, 16:29#1

Ireland are genuine World Cup contenders - that was the message taken from their surgical demolition of England in Dublin last week.

What's interesting is that isn't a view solely held in Europe either. If those watching on from the SANZAR trio are starting to take notice of you, something has gone right.

Ireland didn't wipe England off the field with four or five tries but they made their visitors seem powerless with a simple yet constantly effective gameplan. They only won by ten points on paper, but it felt like 20.

Conor Murray and Jonathan Sexton's kicking games, combined with the aerial abilities and chasing of their backs, now allow them to dominate possession and territory in a way that any side in the world will struggle to counter.

It's a set of tactics that fits in perfectly with the low-scoring knockout stages of most Rugby World Cup games, especially the final itself, with defence so often winning out against attack and when actual try-scoring chances are at a premium.

Rather than risking moving the ball out wide and putting themselves in danger of turnovers and counter attacks, Ireland are forcing their opponents to make errors instead through pressure either in open play or through ferocious counter-rucking and turnovers at the breakdown - Peter O'Mahony, Tommy O'Donnell and Paul O'Connell have been tireless in that respect.

That is what wins matches in the modern game, whether fans or coaches like it or not.

Their ten-game unbeaten streak includes the scalps of the Springboks, Wallabies and now England, who felt as though they had made a leap forward with 2014's win over Ireland at Twickenham but now still lack composure, clearly last Sunday in any case. 

Match the way Ireland played against England to autumnal conditions in the northern hemisphere and their chances of winning this year's tournament feel very real. Currently ranked third in the world, anything less than making the semi-finals will be a colossal failure.

What's important to remember is that while Joe Schmidt may have designed his side to use those kicking tactics against the big guns to great effect, Ireland still possess enough firepower to open a game up should they decide to. Simon Zebo and Tommy Bowe are more than competent finishers, Bowe indeed is world class, with Kearney as well being a complete player.

The option to open up is there for when Ireland decide to go down that route if the time is right, as Bowe summed up nicely when talking to the Telegraph.

"I would love to be carrying the ball, scoring tries, making yards, line-breaks - that's the real enjoyment of the game. But if it comes to chasing kicks and putting teams under pressure, trying to force turnovers, then that's what I've got to do.

"I'm delighted that we have three wins from three in the campaign, but if the opportunity arose to sling the ball out wide and give myself a one-on-one or go for the corner, that would be a bit better again. When that time comes, I hope I'll be ready for it."

Self-sacrifice cannot be easy for a winger of all players but Bowe knows that Ireland are on the path to something bigger. Win the Six Nations/Grand Slam or not, they have already made a statement and got the All Blacks thinking about how to stop them.

New Zealand are so often celebrated for their attacking rugby that it's forgotten just how often they kick to win matches, because they rarely execute badly when putting boot to ball. In that respect they now have a rival in Ireland, with Murray and Sexton complimented by having three players with experience of playing full-back outside them in Robbie Henshaw, Jared Payne and Kearney.

Call Ireland boring if you want, but they look on course for back-to-back Six Nations titles and now have a credible chance of challenging to win next year's RWC.

by Ben Coles

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Mar 2015, 16:31
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08 Mar 2015, 16:31#2
Good to see Ireland breaking through to the top of the NH heap.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Mar 2015, 20:28
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08 Mar 2015, 20:28#3
 The Irish blowhards are getting fsr ahead of themselves. A little success agaisnt battle weary substandard sides and being assisted by the ref when they played against the Boks have given thm a very false notion of their limited abilities.
Of course this possibly is just to keep the NH hoping for a rare success at the RWC. Becs and Lady MO(NH) need some encouragement however unlikely after long years in the wilderness! 
Provided Meyer gets his selections right and we have a competent ref - unlike last time - the Boks will have the blowhard Irish for breakfast. 



BE
becsPro4,378 posts
08 Mar 2015, 21:54
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08 Mar 2015, 21:54#4
 Ummmmm......I think they are dismally boring, selling themselves short if they persist with that ridiculous kicking game we had all hoped we had seen the back of in the '80's and someone far more sensible than us will beat them anyway.We were hopeless last weekend. One poor match from us does not make them world beaters.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
09 Mar 2015, 12:58
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09 Mar 2015, 12:58#5
 You under estimate Joe Smidt at your own peril. Very wily.

Joe, come home, we need you at the Blues.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
09 Mar 2015, 13:22
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09 Mar 2015, 13:22#6
 
Quite right, Ireland is more than a ruffy as they term an outsider in a big horse race.

I think, or at least I have a feeling Ireland (my next allegiance...as is Cloudy's) after the AB's and SA to win.

I would be quite happy with this...new kids on the block is needed in rugby as is in any sport.

I think most NZ'ers wouldn't mind too much after their last duel...I for one couldn't understand their failure...Irishluck...a myth...this time maybe.

Begorrah!
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
09 Mar 2015, 14:39
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09 Mar 2015, 14:39#7
 @Mr. Been,

"The Irish blowhards... being assisted by the ref when they played against the Boks"

The Irish blowhards gave the boks a strategical lesson and schooled them. They owned the boks at the breakdown, at the lineouts where the boks were completely lost and didn't know how to react when the irish didn't contest the mauls, the tactical kicking, etc., etc., ...
and you come here saying that
"the Boks will have the blowhard Irish for breakfast".......
after loosing deservedly 29-15 against them and 12-6 against a much more weak Welsh team?
incredible........ really incredible
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Mar 2015, 15:33
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09 Mar 2015, 15:33#8
 ab ass how in the world can I be expected to make sense to the likes of you?  
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Mar 2015, 16:34
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09 Mar 2015, 16:34#9
 Beeno: I seem to recall that the Boks ran into a few problems with the Irish in a RWC. Perhaps Brycy can remind us of events?
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Mar 2015, 17:06
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09 Mar 2015, 17:06#10
 The Irish will be crushed JW . Sad to say but one, must be realistic. The ref with that yellow or was it yellows plus the state of our team at year end ment we were at about 50%. Even with we matfiled present and us at 60% it should be enough. Matfield dropped and we really shouldnt lose.
My advice to all blowhard Irish oaks is to stay humble. There aint no RWC trophy coming your way. You dont have the pedigree!
I ask all kbbs also to stay humble as well as the chances of another RWC burgalry are very slim. 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Mar 2015, 17:51
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09 Mar 2015, 17:51#11
 Beenz, a couple of upsets and Ireland can find themselves in a very favourable position in the playoffs. ..England 2007??? And if it boils down to winning 1 game, who knows?
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
09 Mar 2015, 18:43
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09 Mar 2015, 18:43#12
Quite right Draad...it's encouraging to post that in essence makes sense and maybe history...come on Ireland...loved it when you shook the Poms... I think the cricket is not the same old story...the other conflict will see another history adjustment and change...maybe even the Boks (without Matfield)...
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