Venter is Rassie's kind of loosie

Rassie seems to like the philosophy that a good loosie goes unnoticed.

I suppose its a thinking that says that one wants consistent pressure from loose forwards, and not bursts followed by lulls - sustained intensity.

I personally prefer Wiese at 8 over Roos. But there are those, like Dave, that are more favourable to Roos.

...but Rassie has made Wiese his 1st choice pick for 8.

The age-old argument about Mostert(obviously not a loosie) centres around the same axis of consistency over peaks and troughs.

PSDT is similar in that where he lacks explosiveness, he gains in volume and persistence.

I was a big van Staaden fan, he ended up not doing a great deal yet, but that was another Rassie pick that seemed to favour consistency over flair.

Kolisi is probably the odd one out, then again, he has a defined role at 13.5 haha.

Still, there is a picture there of what Rassie wants from most of the loosies, and those that he wants to play like loosies.

I think that Venter might fit nicely into what Sauron prefers. Having been watching him last year, and then since his return from injury this year, Venter is very much in that image. He pretty much tends to own one side of a a ruck. Despite Dave's reservations, Venter completely shut Roos down some weeks back. Exactly because he tends to take responsibility for a side of a ruck and very little gets past him. He doesn't explode much but he's very difficult to get past and will push you backwards or hold you up if you make a mistake.

So, based on what Rassie seems to want, but I think we might see a lot of Venter for the Boks this year.

Did venter play this weekend? I didn’t check the lions game..

He is very strong

He did play.

Had a couple of strong runs but was more playing the type of role I described above.

Actually commented on the match thread that Venter's body with Roos' mind would = super soldier.

Plum

Where do you get that BS story about Easmus and loose forwards from. Erasmus wants loosies to be invovled in attack and especially backline attack to create overlaps and also defend in both open field play and in traffic. That is why his favorite loosie always was Du Toit and that is why Kolisi style of play changed drastically since 2023. Basically it ties in with teh way New Zealand has been using their loosies for decades.

That is why Roos and Hanekom are always in he picture and I have not watched much of Venter - so I think if he meets the full requirements as mentioned he is likely o be involed as well. The oher guy that si also possible as a player in essentially the blind side flank is Ludwig of the Bulls - but it i not the type of player White ill develop in he Du Toit line, White uses him as a lock - but personally I think he would and could become a blind side flank or no 8 as well. Ludwig's role model is Du Toit.

By the way - the days of the loosies being an extension of the Tight 5 went totally out of the window by now, I do not tink Wiese - a typical thight 5 extension loosie has the apce and ability to contribue to what Erasmus obviously expect from loosies and I do not think he is going t last long as number 8. The more mobile and pacier players are what now counts.

That si where White's main approach is in evidence - for him the loosies will always be an extension of he Tight 5.

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Dave

I have never seen that youngster - but will have to go and see him play in one of the school games when Oakdale play - however, in what positition does he play?

I’m a big fan of Venter but I want to see more of those dominant runs we have become accustomed to.

But with time good players gain targets on their backs so I’m guessing oppositions know they have shut him down with numbers so it’s getting harder for him to stand out physically.

His problem at the Lions is that they are halfheartedly using him as a weapon. Every single time he gets the ball he has to work from a standing start.

Whitely would score plenty of tries running in an angle and receiving a pop pass from the scrummie.

So I'm not sure if the Lions are just not calling the plays or if Venter is not putting himself in those positions. Either way, his attacking ability is being wasted.

Close to the line, I would have him storming in and bashing over.

The rest of what he does he does very well. He totally shuts down one side of the ruck and is always back up quickly.

He did have one run from deep which I hoped he would smash a few players but he did not but again, the defenders now know what is coming for them

I like Ruan Venter. He's very similar to Jasper Wise in that he's strong in the carry and he has a good engine . . . but I wouldn't put either one in the same league as Roos or Hanekom.

If we're ever short a #8 because of injuries or a loss of form, Siya Kolisi's performace in the #8 jersey on Saturday is worth noting.

Roos is a good player, but he lacks the brute strength of a Duane or a Jasper Wiese for 8th man.

He might just be a better 6 ?

giMp, rather just stick to slurping your master's tailpipe and echoing the ignorant and biased garbage he comes up with.

You're good at that. You're not very good at making original rugby observations.

Run along now . . .

"If we're ever short a #8 because of injuries or a loss of form, Siya Kolisi's performace in the #8 jersey on Saturday is worth noting."

And Saturday wasn't the first time eigher...he's had a few games doing more than just well @ 8.

Well it’s clear to see that Roos sometimes struggles to break the first line of defence on his ball carriers.

And I have told you already Moz is not my master and I differ often with him on opinions.

But the difference is I can have a descent conversation with someone that has respect and is willing to debate. Not insult.

But you need intelligence for that kind of communication. Which you clearly don’t have.

Agreed Rooi ou Mpower is as fucking clueless as they come - I think he is just plain dumb

Not that long ago I posted a video of Roos man handling Vermeulen and putting him on his arse

If that’s not evidence of brute strength then fuck me I don’t know what is. No one has ever done that to Vermeulen

Why the fuck would you want to move Roos to 6 what a fucking stupid idea. Roos is easily the biggest and most physical 8 playing in SA.

The best candidate to move to 6 is Hanekom, he is good over the ball and the smaller of the two. Roos at 8, Hanekom at 6 - obvious

Aaah the two butt buddies acting tough…this is a valid opinion as Roos has played at 6 for the stormers very successfully….

But you two fuck tarts, are to stupid to debate like normal people. You there to insult and it’s fucking boring!

M I wouldn’t bother about Time Stamp. A tired old fellow whose failure in life has left him embittered.

And by the way Roos did nothing….it was mostly Vermeulen,s bad attempt at a tackle that made him loose his footing.

Secondly Duane was old and at the end of his career.

Roos could not dominate a Ruan Venter in that lions vs stormers game. Also he didn’t make it against Elrigh Louw or Cameron Hanekom.

Ah Roos did nothing - he just farted and Vermeulen fell over

Fuck me you are an idiot

Ai jaai Jaai… it’s clear to see in that video that they both have a hand on each other.

Vermeulen looses his footing and Roos can break free and move forward.

He does not bump vermeulen off or run over him, so there is no dominant man handling here.

Hannekom is on a totally different level to everybody else.

His most quiet game this year was on Saturday.

Venter has all the goods but I think the Lions plan he is playing to is one where he simply has to command a section of the patch and not let anything past. They don't seem interested in using him on attack. They use the big fat prop whose name I can't spell more as a weapon than they do Venter.

And I agree with M, Roos doesn't have the size to play how he wants to play. A bit tricky because in Hannekom you have a brilliant attacking 8, and in Wiese you have an immovable boulder. And then Kwagga is the premier bench 8.

So where does Roos fit in?

I know...at 12 ;)

Dumbfuck don’t lie about Vermeulen losing his footing you idiot - Roos put him on his arse - he man handled him

Plum get a bloody grip - Roos is definitely bulkier than Hanekom and there is nothing between Roos and Hanekom in terms of skill, impact etc

Kwagga is a sad excuse for an 8, bench or not - far too small - off the bench replacing Kolisi at 6 is his calling

We have to move on from Kolisi and PSDT in the near future - our two best young loosies are Roos and Hanekom. Only a noob would consider leaving one of them out

"Plum get a bloody grip - Roos is definitely bulkier than Hanekom and there is nothing between Roos and Hanekom in terms of skill, impact etc"

You must be out of your mind. Hannekom is so far ahead of Roos they're not even on the same planet.

And I said that Roos isn't big enough to play how HE WANTS TO PLAY. I never said he is too small to play at 8 or that he's smaller than Hannekom.

Roos wants to play like a big bruiser, but he's not a big bruiser.

I think you should get a grip.

Not fucking once did I say he must be left out, all I said is that he is not as physical as a Wiese….

But playing him at 6 leaves room to accommodate him in the starting pack….it doesn’t look like he will lift a guy like Wiese.

Bullshit Roos is just as good as Hanekom especially when you consider their form this year

Hanekom is over his honeymoon period of last season much like Roos in his first season which was even more impressive than Hanekom last season

Hanekom has been good/solid as he always is this season but Roos has been better and that’s a fact

Problem with some observers is that they define players based on history not reality

Irs like loads of FB posters still saying Roos is a loose cannon and a card machine - that’s history, today he is anything but that, to his credit he has learnt and evolved

Roos is easily big enough to play as a physical 8 but he is far more than that - for sure he is not as physical as Wiese but that’s all Wiese brings - pure dumb muscle - I’d take Roos over Wiese all day long as I would Roos over Hanekom but that’s very very close - but I’d play Hanekom at 6, Roos at 8, with Ruan Venter or Elrigh Louw at 7. The Tsituka brothers would feature as well

Draad you are correct Kolisi has been on fire this season - with ball in hand

Dave, you have 100% not been watching the Bulls this season if you think that Hannekom's purple patch is over.

I mean, can anybody else that's been watching kindly back me up here?

I’ve watched every game and he certainly has not made the impact he did in his first season

He has been good but not the wow of last season which is fully understandable - he is a marked man much like Roos is and Ruan Venter

Yeah, okaaaaay guy ;)

Cameron has started the 25 season up till now in top form…..he is improving and I think he will do very well for the Boks in the upcoming season.

I just hope that he will get More starts this season.

Fact

my word, to claim that Roos and Hannekon have been on on par with each other this season is actually mental.

There is no way you can have been watching all the games and make a statement like that, Dave.

It's actually impossible.

Just admit that you only watch the highlights.

Perhaps you should go back and read some of the match threads.

Well Plum given your take on most things rugby I’m not surprised you still think Hanekom is playing in his first season

Damn right Roos has been better than Hanekom this season so far

Wait, so I think Hannekom is playing in his first season?

Thanks for letting me know.

Hanekom is playing in the better pack and team ATM...Roos is just returning from injury...Hanekom is fantastic, but so was Roos winning POTY in his first URC...

Exactly Draad - Roos is back in great form and Hanekom has been good

Plum saying Hanekom is so far ahead of Roos that they are not on the same planet is utter bullshit

For me Roos is slightly ahead of Hanekom right now - it’s close, it’s always going to be close between the two which is why both should be accommodated in the same pack - Hanekom 6, Roos 8

Roos the guy who was manhandled by the tiny Portuguese wing?

Moz lying again - nothing new there

Manhandled the kid……this scrawny little Goose wing. Embarrassing. M is dead right, Roos needs to be playing a Skinstad type linking and open field ball carrying role. He is not a bruiser, but sadly I think he is convinced Rasmus only wants bruisers.

Hell Kolisi ran the ball once in the 3 WC knockouts. He wasn’t trusted to carry in those crucial games.

You are fucking lying about being manhandled by some little wing

One would swear lying gives your pathetic takes some credibility

Was it not you who said you never lied - well hellooo bang goes that assertion

I never lie:

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Jul 22, 2024, 19:07

Took another look….totally stripped by the tiny little Portuguese wing. He does a pick and go….bouncing right up into the face of the Portuguese 8 who can’t make the high tackle, but gets him low around the legs.

He stumbles forward into the wee, tiny, little wing. Roos fends him with an elbow to the neck. The wing stands his ground and Roos falls to the right. But the Goose is making contact directly below the ball and is resisting Roos’ move forwards, clearly obvious by how he plants his left leg

In the next freeze frame the ball is already out of Roos’ possession…ripped and going backwards towards the Boks line. Dropping the ball it doesn’t go in that direction. Force applied consistent with the Goose’s body position makes that happen.

Ripped by a tiny, little Goose….the verdict.