Vermeulen’s record as a Bok contrasted with Dud Toit

Played 58 tests……won 39….lost 17….drawn 1. Giving him a win ratio of 68.4%

 Dud Toit:

Played 58 tests…..won 32….lost 23….drawn 3. Giving him a win ratio of 55.1%.

Vermeulen started playing for the Boks in 2012, Dud a year later in 2013. Essentially their careers overlapped. So here we have 2 players that have played loose forward for the Boks over the same time frame, in the same number of tests.

One of those players has been markedly more associated with Bok victories. The other has the lowest win ratio I have seen in a long lived Bok.

Surprisingly Dud Toit’s record as a lock is even worse 5 win/6 losses and a draw

Coincidence? Maybe, but I bet if Vermeulen wasn’t playing the Boks would not have won the AB test in the RC. 

By contrast the Boks only started winning the Lions series when Dud Toit departed for Kwagga Smith against  the Lions. At which stage the Lions were cumulatively up 28 points to 20…..and after he departed the Boks were up by 43 points to 19. A huge swing.

Perhaps the obvious conclusion is true…..the Boks are 5 points better when Vermeulen plays and 3 points worse with Dud Toit. Fifty eight games is certainly a large sample and most  of the background factors were the same for both players. 

Goodness me, if Moffie is still babbling on about the World Player of the Year being so useless after he hasn't played for a year, just imagine how the obsessed old relic will shrieking when PSdT does actually return and knocks his first ball on or misses his first tackle!

It's going to be epic!

Most missed tackles of all Boks since 2018, doesn't register for carries or anything else. His production was good for 17th best flank in 2019 and his production was marginally lower in the time he played this season. Where is Steph an integral Bok? Where is the production. A simple question no fanboy can answer.

Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum as regular as clockwork...same players same issues...it never ceases... as predicable as pop ups on sports streaming

Well Chabs, answer the question: What does Steph actually? Why doesn't he register as top 10 at anything? Where are the positive game defining contributions? 

"Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum as regular as clockwork...same players same issues...it never ceases... as predicable as pop ups on sports streaming"

Toooo funny

What's too funny are the duckings and divings at avoiding the obvious: Steph is not a quality player. Average to below average. Every piece of evidence confirms this. How many years are we discussing this now, and no defence can be made for him. That says it all. 

Tweedle Dee posting in the early hours of the morning???

We have seen this kind of thread for 8 years now and repeated  constantly - has Mozart nothing else to think about other than to make a fool of himself and the Kindergarten Imbecile?

He was already making himself look like the idiot in the case of Carlos Alcatraz  - the 18 year old tennis player - so he must go on about his other pet hate players. in similar vein.     

.

It's always funny to watch Omlett snivelling and whining because he does all this supposed research and analysis and no-one bothers to read it.  

There you have it, nothing. This is what happens when you run your mouth without facts. Almost embrassing as Omlett's little pepper. 

Kindergarten Imbecile 

You are talking shi t all the time and then wants comments on it.   Since you miss 90% of what actually happen in matches and lies about the other 10% - how can you expect a response to misrepresentations and total lies as well.

You know what  tackle ratio means?    Secondly do you know what the role is of loosies in games?    Apparently you do not know since  you favor all the worst loosies and have done so for years.      . But then you compare a number 8 and number 7 player  without knowing what the difference in requirement for each position is..      .     

Well, so far, what we've learned is that the most porous South African at test level is better than a player with 98% tackle success. Sure, I must be so stupid to back the latter 

As for lying? Where have I lied Lügnerin?

Well there we have the typical response….Rooinek raises World Token Player of the year as his defence….Chabal crawls out of his bottle and does Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee for the umpteenth time….Quisling having turned Peter Snell from a NZ miler into a South African sprint champion posts another too funny post.

What nobody does is come up with is a cogent explanation of why the Boks don’t win when Dud is playing. With Vermeulen one can cite cases where he turned games…crucial turnovers, the offload that won the Welsh QF, destroying Barrett with a head on charge. The only thing I can come up with for Dud was  his banshee charges on Ford…but that could have been done by any Bok flanker tasked to do so.

Nope the World Token Player of the Year simply doesn’t correlate with Bok wins…the numbers are conclusive.

They don't know the game very well, and they also don't know Bok rugby very well. Fake fans. They worship certain personalities, more so than the team. The funny thing is that they can never tell you why they back these players/coaches. They just do for such reasons as "because", "everybody thinks so" and "it's a fact!". 

Does it always have to be so easy though….where’s the challenge?

The one and only time Omlett tried to talk rugby with me, it ended in humiliation and a brief absence: The Wellington test. Steph was unbelievable, it was the Bok performance of the century. Well, until I posted a video. Then it all came tumbling down. Just like with Lambie, Damian, Goosen et al. They can't stand up to scrutiny. 

Careful now Herr Draht, you'll have Omlett's pepper sprouting. And lets not forget Lügnerin getting hot under the collar!

Mozart as wrong  as you were about Carlos Alcaraz  - so wrong are you about Du Toit.   Alcaraz beat the number 7 player in the world - Matteo Berrettini - in the quarterfinal of the Vienna Open and is through to the semifinal.    By the way neither Federer, Nadal or Djokovic made it through to a semi-final of any tournament at the age of 18 

It is very  easy to make an utter  fool of yourself and  as per normal you end up looking like an idiot .  

Dav e 

The two idiots do not realize that as a rule Du Toit made three times as many tackles as Vermeulen and try many more extremely difficult attempts than any of the other loosies ever try.   That6 is why one cannot argue with idiots on the issue.    

Oh I forgot  Pervert, the man who confidently told us de Kock was going to stand fast, because de Villiers had his investments in hand.

These morons keep on getting it wrong and then come back as Board authorities.. 

But perhaps the Malherbes have tutored him again…..LMAOFY!

Listen dumb fuck - you are the idiot that starts meaningless  and totally falsified items on site and then when you get caught out you go the normal way of trying to insult members.     T he description I now gave describes you fully.     You are no Board authority yourself - but in your idiocy you think you are.   

Alister Coetzee's 2 season reign skews the stats, where Vermeulen did not play much. 

Vermeulen got man of the match in the WC 2019 final, but DuToit got world player of the season. 
Having them both in the team at the same time is better. 

World Token Player of the Season.

Sure like we missed him when he left in the Lions series….lol.

He was injured and you obviously rejoice about  it.   Du Toit is a class act and rated as such by the selectors and the  fact is Mostert will only be selected when Du Toit is not available.          

We have been over this many times before….if you rejoice when a player is hurt, don’t ascribe those feelings to me. But the fact is Kwagga immediately added more value than Dud Toit was providing.

Franco Mostert – 8
Increasingly dominated the Lions as the match wore on. 

Siya Kolisi – 8
Impressive leadership from the inspirational Boks skipper

Pieter-Steph Du Toit – 6
Conceded several penalties before night cut well short by injury.

Kwagga can play anywhere in the loose trio. He's done it, and done it well. 

hen you, qiuote rubbish from th emdia i about s lo as any real observer will go.  

I like Kwagga as a sevens player - at 15 man rugby he never stood out at all.   He is less of a contributor to forward play than Mostert and that take some doing.