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Wales…..a>b and b>c….but too often a=c

Started by Mozart21 REPLIES1,118 VIEWS· 31 Oct 2021, 02:58
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Oct 2021, 02:58
#1
31 Oct 2021, 02:58#1

In contrast to our WC arm wrestle which could have gone either way, NZ put Wales away effortlessly. Sure Wales had  a few injuries, but nobody who would have made a difference. This win was by a team we beat a month or so ago.


Why? Well the ABs simply don’t give these lesser teams breathing room, they go at them. Although  they struggle against our physicality. But when we only use that one dimension against the likes of Wales it becomes an arm wrestle.


Apparently the ABs will become number one again after this win, but the truth is they have always been number 1 in the eyes of fans because we are so one dimensional. And for no reason other than unimaginative coaching.


The challenge for next week is not only to beat the Wallies but to do so playing complete rugby.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Oct 2021, 04:28
#2
31 Oct 2021, 04:28#2

The idiot is supreme as per normal - the test was played outside of the test window and the Clubs refused to release their test players with the result the Welsh  team playing the AB's were far removed from their normal Welsh test team.    Fact is only 3 of the Welsh players who played in the WC Semi played yesterday against the AB's  - in other words not the full normal Welsh team was playing.

That was enough to send this numbskull going after the Springboks again.    But what else can one expect from the sport idiot.     

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Oct 2021, 05:27
#3
31 Oct 2021, 05:27#3

Lies again,  6 of the Welsh WC starters were starters against the ABs. And 9 of the AB WC starters against England were starters yesterday.


But Wales are so depleted we should beat them by thirty plus points then huh?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Oct 2021, 08:14
#4
31 Oct 2021, 08:14#4

So more than half the normal test team of Wales were missing from the game.    I do not know what has gone into the dud Mozart by starting his thread other than his normal deadhead conduct on site.   .  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Oct 2021, 15:39
#5
31 Oct 2021, 15:39#5
And 40% of the NZ team…..but explain your lie. How did you come up with 3 Welsh players?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Oct 2021, 16:55
#6
31 Oct 2021, 16:55#6

Robert Kitson writing in Guardian wrote: “The last time Wales beat New Zealandwas the same year Everest was first conquered. At no stage did it remotely look as if the hosts were about to scale that still-elusive peak under the bright Cardiff lights… Would it have made much difference had Wales’s English-based contingent been available? Probably not.”

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Gregor Paul, writing in the New Zealand Herald’, noted: “Wales could have had every player in the land available, even played with a few extra and they most likely still would have withered and then sunk without a trace against an All Blacks team that produced a patient, disciplined and impressively controlled effort.

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These writers put their finger on the issue….the ABs, except perhaps in WCs ….simply attack these NH teams . They often do the same to us when we don’t play our physicality card.

We by contrast play Wales like we play the ABs and it becomes an arm wrestle. We need a second gear to put away these minnows.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Nov 2021, 03:49
#7
01 Nov 2021, 03:49#7

Mozart

Thanks for the story you quoted - but everyone on earth knew that Wales did not have players available to play the All Blacks and the team selected was nowhere near competitive.    So your deductions on the issue was spurious and did not ahve in any way reflect the true situation you tried to convey.    

   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Nov 2021, 04:20
#8
01 Nov 2021, 04:20#8

Well as a great admirer of rugby journalists when they talk about Dud Toit, perhaps you should believe them when they talk about Wales.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Nov 2021, 05:59
#9
01 Nov 2021, 05:59#9

These are liars and double minded people. When we scraped past Wales in the WC it was against a loaded Welsh team, now it was a decimated team against New Zealand. These dishonest clowns shift the goal posts to create whatever narrative suits the agenda. Sometimes journalists opinions matter, sometimes it doesn't; sometimes stats matter, sometimes they don't; sometimes videos matter, sometimes they don't. Regarding videos, that's funny, as my videos showing every contributing by a player is a lie and a dishonest representation of a player but a tribute video which doesn't even show context or even full phases are definitive. It's all about creating a general impression. They talk about prejudice in us, yet we lay it all out on the table and have an honest look at what's there. Isn't it funny how coaches and (ex)players opinions are greater than our "opinions", but when the greatest minds and most successful coaches and ex-players call Josè's model a mess it doesn't count? You can't have a reasonable discussion with these people. Worse then that, you can't have an adult discussion. It's also always at an unsatisfyingly low level. You have to continually correct the lie to properly frame the discussion. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Nov 2021, 09:36
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01 Nov 2021, 09:36#10

"Dan Biggar, Taulupe Faletau, Nick Tompkins, Louis Rees-Zammit, Callum Sheedy, Thomas Young and Christ Tshiunza are due to join the squad."

The Allblacks match was outside the test window, so their depth was depleted and a few of their star players couldn't play.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Nov 2021, 16:24
#11
01 Nov 2021, 16:24#11

Hahahahaha!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Nov 2021, 19:03
#12
01 Nov 2021, 19:03#12
That was a Welsh B side playing the AB’s more so when they lost AWJ and Moriaty
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Nov 2021, 19:25
#13
01 Nov 2021, 19:25#13

They were better off without Biggar….Faletau isn’t the player he was in the AB Lions series….Zammit couldn’t crack the Lions test team.

None of these guys would have made a difference, the reporters were right.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
01 Nov 2021, 19:33
#14
01 Nov 2021, 19:33#14

I think we are  going to have our hands full. Wales  always seem to  lift their game against us.  Although we have lost a few too many to them in  the last decade.  

Hopefully the marketing drive,  break from the bubble etc well allow the boys to come back together and pick up where they finished in the championship. 

Lets hope and see what happens. But think Reese Zammit is  a class player, very unlucky not to get a starting spot for the lions

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Nov 2021, 20:14
#15
01 Nov 2021, 20:14#15

Lets hope the Boks can put their first good performance of the season together. 

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
01 Nov 2021, 20:30
#16
01 Nov 2021, 20:30#16
Wales is a good outfit and capable of beating top teams. They were outclassed by AB on the day but Saturday against boks is a different game and they will be pumped up to recover some pride.....media is deceiving not only in sport but in other areas to.....always looking to cause a confusion, the next big story....The AB at the moment is playing with confidence and a self believe that is strong......Boks can also beat teams with higher scores but their conservative game plan + lack of self believe, hinders them to have this ruthless killer instinct needed to play like that.....I have a feeling the boks Might kick a lot on Saturday, playing tight conservative rugby.....I hope I am wrong and they run them off the park with cricket score.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Nov 2021, 20:33
#17
01 Nov 2021, 20:33#17

The Boks have a poor gameplan and major selection issues. If you give the Boks free space, they can score, otherwise no. The rest is kicking for penalties and mauls. That's it. It's not about having to run lots, it's about being functional . Right now, we depend on teams playing badly or very errantly. We need that opening to be in the game. This is not a model for sustained success. If we had to have IRB ranking for this year alone, where do you think the Boks would be ranked? Not very good is it.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Nov 2021, 21:11
#19
01 Nov 2021, 21:11#19
Biggar is better and they were short of Tipuric and Navidi in the loosies. Short of Owens at 2 one of the best in the business. No Williams at fullback and Zammit on the wing. Nor did they have their first choice 12 and 9. They were missing 8 first choice players and lost AWJ and Moriaty in the game They were on a hiding to nothing
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Nov 2021, 21:46
#20
01 Nov 2021, 21:46#20

8 vs 6 and coach. Interesting. 

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
01 Nov 2021, 22:32
#21
01 Nov 2021, 22:32#21
Taine Basham is talented player
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Nov 2021, 22:42
#22
01 Nov 2021, 22:42#22
I was wrong it was 9 missing = Hooker Flank Flank Eigthman Scrum half Flyhalf Inside centre Wing Fullback
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