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WC '23 - SCO vs RSA [Ratings]

Started by Deus Ex Lemur63 REPLIES1,262 VIEWS· 10 Sept 2023, 17:53
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Saffolk
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Sept 2023, 14:57
#41
11 Sept 2023, 14:57#41
Moz of course you will think powder puff pushes harder than Lood - just not sure what he would be pushing with as he is so weak Lood, RG, PSDT are all bigger, stronger and make far more of a physical impact individually than Mostert does and therefore by my reckoning these players would add more value in the scrums than Mostert does We don’t have evidence of that as scrumming is not an individual thing but science tells me it’s pretty obvious Mostert lacks power, that we do have evidence of, all 10 years worth
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Plum
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11 Sept 2023, 14:58
#42
11 Sept 2023, 14:58#42
Agreed, Becs. England played very well on the whole. I'm pretty sure that must be the biggest winning margin for a team down to 14 for that long. Once in a life time type stuff. I do hope for you guys that the result gave them some confidence.
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11 Sept 2023, 15:21
#43
11 Sept 2023, 15:21#43

Thanks, Plum  

Well it was a good old backs to the wall type of performance. 

Hopefully we can get out of the Pool stages now ! 

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11 Sept 2023, 15:37
#44
11 Sept 2023, 15:37#44

Lood and PTSD are weak. So too Damian. We are losing the physical battle game after game because we are built around weaklings with no skills or rugby IQ. 

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Saffolk
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Sept 2023, 16:03
#45
11 Sept 2023, 16:03#45
Bwhaaahaaaaa Doos is back Unfortunately
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Mozart
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Sept 2023, 16:06
#46
11 Sept 2023, 16:06#46

The thing is Dave, we can find big men to play flank that have mobility and can change direction to make open field tackles. Take Danie Rossouw 1.98 metres to Dud’s 2.0 metres….120kgs to Dud’s 116 kgs . Depending on the variable a bigger man.

Yet Rossouw was able to get out to the wing and put Cueto into touch probably saving our WC final. Dud would never have made that tackle…he lacks explosiveness.

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Saffolk
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11 Sept 2023, 16:20
#47
11 Sept 2023, 16:20#47
Yes Moz but I also saw Danie miss tackles in open space - he was very similar to PSDT in every respect and let’s face it hardly made a lasting impression as a Bok What about PSDT taking that NZ wing out down the touchline at Twickers the other night, that was explosive pace Why would we want to replace PSDT when he is easily the best blindside in the game right now? You see so much positive in Mostert but zero in PSDT - I don’t get it. It’s clear to see right now, PSDT’s contributions each game are huge. They are very apparent versus scraping the barrel to find the apparent positives by Mostert Apart from his tackles and line out takes what positives does he bring in traffic. I watched the game again this morning and his physical contributions were practically zero. He is a Bok lock for goodness sake - there needs to be some physical grunt to go with those tackles and running around full of heart and energy
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DbDraad
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11 Sept 2023, 16:52
#48
11 Sept 2023, 16:52#48

Good post Dave...I agree 100%...immediately thought of PSDT catching the NZ winger when I read Moz's post...it seems like he's looking/hoping for his pet hates to make mistakes,  but seems to think his bias is justified...bizarre...he seems to always need a few pet hates in the Bok side...was a Jaque Fourie hater too...

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Saffolk
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11 Sept 2023, 17:09
#49
11 Sept 2023, 17:09#49
Moz has many pet hates in the side but that’s no match for ignorant Doos who practically hates the whole Bok side - why he even pretends to support Bok rugby is beyond me I have the odd pet hate and those pet hates are born out of players not measuring up to certain physical prerequisite for test players but I’m more than happy to concede on those hates when the players contributions defy their lack of physicality Let’s face it most test wings are close to 100kg these days so when the likes of Kolbe and Arendse came onto the scene I was sceptical. But boy both proved me wrong but both also took the effort to build themselves up physically and both punch above their weights and are brilliant players I can’t say the same for players like Mostert, Orie, Albert vd Bergh, Rob Kempson, BJ Botha, Juan de Jongh, Adi Jacobs, Paulse, Aplon etc Some Boks have just been super shit players like Braam v Straaten or Ross Cronje
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11 Sept 2023, 17:47
#50
11 Sept 2023, 17:47#50

Let me explain again Draad. I don’t hate the man, I hate the hype. The only player I genuinely disliked was Luke Watson. Dud Allende and Dud Toit strike me as inoffensive, ordinary blokes. Neither of them are rocket scientists, but so what.

Nor are they totally useless rugby players ….Dud is a perfectly decent lock…..and Allende could have been a decent center if he developed his skills. 

With SBW as a model back in 2014  he was actually offloading effectively. He has totally abandoned the offload, unlike Kerevi who offloads brilliantly and so he is just a Stampkar center where so much good ball has gone to die 

We win, but we win in spite of having a primary forward ball carrier who can’t beat a tackle and in spite of having an inside center than can’t create anything for those outside him.

What I do really hate is our new jersey which deliberately ignores a 100 years of Rugby history.

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Saffolk
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11 Sept 2023, 18:07
#51
11 Sept 2023, 18:07#51
Incorrect DA has beaten defenders by attacking space when the opportunity presents itself He has a great skill set as Schalk Brits mentioned He does not offload as it’s not part of the plan - he takes contact, drawing defenders in, setting up the next phase If he was instructed to offload, we would see him doing it regularly Did we see Esterhuizen offloading in the tests he has been playing for the Boks recently? NO Since when do blindsides and locks strive to beat tackles, it does happen from time to time but for the majority of the time we see the likes of Eben, Lood, RG, PSDT, Wiese and Vermeulen running into players so I’m not sure what your point is. Please don’t tell me you think Mostert beats tackles when he plays 7?
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becs
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11 Sept 2023, 18:07
#52
11 Sept 2023, 18:07#52

Oh that new kit is vile, Mozart. I’d refuse to wear it ! 

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Saffolk
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11 Sept 2023, 18:12
#53
11 Sept 2023, 18:12#53
The new kit is some bullshit relating to colour blindness or something
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11 Sept 2023, 18:22
#54
11 Sept 2023, 18:22#54

It is to do with colour blindness but the kit is one of the most hideous I’ve ever seen ! The pattern is awful and the colour ! Well, what does spearmint have to do with your national colour ? 

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Mpower
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11 Sept 2023, 18:27
#55
11 Sept 2023, 18:27#55
So when will they get to wear the Normal green and gold?? No thought whatsoever has gone into the design of that puke green outfit. What a disgrace.
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becs
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becsPro4,378 posts
11 Sept 2023, 18:29
#56
11 Sept 2023, 18:29#56

Exactly, Mpower. 

England keep being made to wear their change strip which is blue. That has no bearing on our flags colour scheme ! 

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DbDraad
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11 Sept 2023, 19:39
#57
11 Sept 2023, 19:39#57

"It is to do with colour blindness"

That's the official line, but whoever decided on the colour policy doesn't understand the 1st thing about colour blindness. 

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Mpower
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11 Sept 2023, 19:47
#58
11 Sept 2023, 19:47#58
So I wonder how many of the players participating is colour blind ?
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becs
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becsPro4,378 posts
11 Sept 2023, 20:33
#59
11 Sept 2023, 20:33#59

It’s for the viewers, Mpower.

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
11 Sept 2023, 23:00
#60
11 Sept 2023, 23:00#60
Oh ok : ) thanks Becs.
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11 Sept 2023, 23:04
#61
11 Sept 2023, 23:04#61

My pleasure, Mpower  

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11 Sept 2023, 23:12
#62
11 Sept 2023, 23:12#62

Ha, Ha  

sharkbok
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11 Sept 2023, 23:22
#63
11 Sept 2023, 23:22#63
Colour contrasts for accessibility on the TV to see shades (e.g dark vs light)
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11 Sept 2023, 23:24
#64
11 Sept 2023, 23:24#64
Ireland is also green, so who will be playing in green?
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