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Wellington Sevens - I am disappointed

Started by clevermike13 REPLIES253 VIEWS· 29 Jan 2017, 13:15
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jan 2017, 13:15
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29 Jan 2017, 13:15#1
I think that attendance of this event every year gets less and less - maybe it is because the AB Sevens are not performing and people do not want to see losing teams playing.   There decline is unbelievable.   After years of virtual dominance -  last year was a bad omen, but this year is worse.   After three tournaments they are 24 points behind the Blitzbokke on the log. 
Fiji is now second on the log 12 points behind the Blizbokke.   That is also unexpected.   In fact I was surprised by the margin of their losses against the Blitzbokke as well over this weekend.     Are they in decline too? 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
29 Jan 2017, 13:57
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29 Jan 2017, 13:57#2
 No Mike, I think the BlitzBokke upped their game alot. They've got a good coach and a motivated team and the seemed to have figured out how to beat Fiji lately. We always played well against NZ in previous years, but struggled against Fiji. I hope we have turned a corner against them, but the season has only just begun. Lots can change still.
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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
29 Jan 2017, 14:35
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29 Jan 2017, 14:35#3
 Fiji must digest their gold medal. Their slump in performances followed the historical gold medal.
More worrisome, it seems they changed coach and that this coach is unable to speak Fiji language. It ruined their cohesion.
Ultimately, they might turn into a SA team like in which players are unable to speak the most spoken languages in their country, and forced to speak secondary languages.

This would destroy them , contrary to SA, they cant afford fielding a squad motivated by financial incentives.
They must play for the love of their country.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jan 2017, 14:53
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29 Jan 2017, 14:53#4
 What is the majority language in the country????   Last stats indicate Zulu is with Afrikaans second.  
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
29 Jan 2017, 17:10
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29 Jan 2017, 17:10#5

 ...not so clever mike, Wellington Sevens is one big fancy dress party so what you saw in the crowd was a lot of yellow seat costumes...OK

..but seriously Wellington should be stripped of hosting it...the tournament is dead in the capital....they also need to review the exorbitant ticket pricing when they shift it..I can see Auckland being the new hosts next year...

 

And congratulations to the Blitzbokke by the way for their tournament win...was thoroughly deserved ....maybe they should incorporate some of those players into the Springboks...they have the speed and power not to mention a great attitude...


...Senatla for one...an automatic Springbok selection surely...nobody has mentioned the try scoring record he has set either... they were saying he will concentrate on the 15s code this year so he has only one or two more tournaments left before Super Rugby starts... 


..hopefully this year with the Stormers he is actually given the ball...I've noticed a lot of wingers being starved in SA rugby through greedy glory hunting centres / poor distribution...Ule ngo is another one in that category -finishers need to be given the ball to state the obvious...


...and wingers like Senatla also need to go looking for work in the centres i.e given a license to roam the way the likes of Naholo, Nadolo, and Savea for example do thereby maximising their potential strike power/ effectiveness..


AS far as Fiji was concerned discipline let them down in Wellington...A yellow card sunk them I think in the final just as a yellow card sunk us against them...You can't afford to be down a man in Sevens...nothing to do with their coach not being able to speak Fijian as the last coach didn't either...and as Draad said the season has just begun so they will be kicking themselves and will come back stronger in Sydney...


Not a great tournament for us either but the new new coaching staff have discovered some new talent which is encouraging,... there was the shock inclusion of teenager Vilimoni Koroi for instance who is showing great potential...Iopu Iopu also impressed...looking forward to an improved performance from our team in Sydney NEXT WEEK...

 



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jan 2017, 17:55
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29 Jan 2017, 17:55#6
 Brycy
Competitiveness is the key to all tournaments.   That  is why I wrote I was disappointed.   I think the AB's will recover and be more competitive.   Same with Fiji.
I may be unpatriotic - but the tournament should not be won in half the various Sevens events.   That is why I in a way hope the Blizbokke loses next week - that will prevent them from coasting in the rest of the tournament.  
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
29 Jan 2017, 23:21
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29 Jan 2017, 23:21#7

 ...Sevens is more of a lottery...how many different nations won an individual round or more of the series last year...HEAPS...Fiji SA, NZ, Kenya, Samoa and Scotland...that's what makes it interesting...

Injuries also play a part and who knows how SA will go without Senatla during the Super18...I bet the Lions also wish they had the services of Kwaga Smith - especially now Tecklenburg has retired...


The Pools for the next round :


The BlitzBoks are drawn in Pool A with England, Kenya and Japan.


Olympic and Sevens Series champions Fiji top Pool B with France, Wales and Samoa.


After an impressive performance in the second round, where they finished with bronze, Scotland will play hosts Australia, New Zealand and invitational team Papua New Guinea.


Canada, who impressed in Wellington, top Pool D and play Argentina, the United States and Russia at the Allianz Stadium next weekend

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jan 2017, 08:24
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30 Jan 2017, 08:24#8
 Brycy
The only problem for the Blitzbokke is England in that pool.   If they beat England they will win the pool.   Otherwise they would come second.
Fiji should have no problem in Pool B.
Pool C is the pool of death this time around.  I would say NZ should top the pool with the second one coming from either Australia or Scotland.
Pool D is a it of a lottery too.

Interesting and am not sure what will happen in the Round Robin situation.  Actually hope NZ would win this one. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jan 2017, 13:17
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30 Jan 2017, 13:17#9
 The following from news24:-
"Samoa Sevens head coach Sir Gordon Tietjens has suggested taking the Wellington Sevens to Samoa or Fiji following poor crowd attendances at the New Zealand leg of the World Rugby Sevens Series.

Just 18,000 out of a possible 70,000 spectators are believed to have attended the 2017 Wellington tournament at the weekend and Tietjens believes a Pacific island nation would love to host the annual event.


"There was just no atmosphere and no people there," Tietjens told New Zealand's 1News.


"If you look back over a number of years, Wellington was really great to play. Every team gets up when playing in front of a huge crowd like that, and not to have anyone there this year was sad because that tournament used to be very very good.

"Perhaps take it to the islands. I'm sure they'd love it.


"Samoa would surely jump at it, to run a sevens tournament like that. Fiji would jump at it, you know. Take it somewhere they really see the value in having a sevens tournament in their country."


After hosting the All Blacks in a historic Test at Apia Park in 2015, Samoa could host a Sevens tournament at the venue while Fiji's national stadium in Suva can hold about 20,000 fans.


If Wellington does not host the tournament anymore, Dunedin's Forsyth Barr Stadium and the Waikato Stadium in Hamilton are other options in New Zealand.


There seems top be a move to relocate the sevens tournament from Wellington and one ould have to look at that one again.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jan 2017, 17:15
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30 Jan 2017, 17:15#10
We have lots of very fast, elusive smaller players....Paulse, Aplon and Kolbe come to mind. They were very effective in 15 man rugby, but their lack of size also made them vulnerable. In sevens yielding the gain line doesn't mean nearly as much....as long as the tackle is made. So the Broncos and Cecils can flaunt their attacking instincts. The challenge and conundrum for Bok rugby is whether marginal 15s types like Senatla can be made to function in the Bok system.
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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
30 Jan 2017, 19:10
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30 Jan 2017, 19:10#11
 .nothing to do with their coach not being able to speak Fijian as the last coach didn't either...

One charm in 7 is that the dressing room time also happens on the pitch. The last coach looked as if he blended in, he was a member of the group.

With this coach, a line is drawn: he is outside, he does not belong. There is a fence, a barrier, the translator does not manage to get rid of .

 Time will tell if Fiji overcomes the liability of a foreign coach who does not fit in.
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
30 Jan 2017, 20:39
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30 Jan 2017, 20:39#12

....mate you do realise that Fijians speak English ?...

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Jan 2017, 21:03
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30 Jan 2017, 21:03#13
Brycy
 
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Posts: 2932RE: Wellington Sevens - I am disappointed
January 30, 2017, 20:39:30

....mate you do realise that Fijians speak English ?...

 No man. Why feck up a nice theory with facts? 


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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
31 Jan 2017, 08:47
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31 Jan 2017, 08:47#14
 Facts, that is that.

Wellington is over by a few days. And already, people must forget what they saw a few days ago.
That is that Fijian play and live rugby in Fijian. They commune in Fijian, they argue in Fijian, they  shout their orders in Fijian. The team hired a translator.

So, yes, why mess a nice theory with facts? Fijians speak english. Does not matter if they do not speak english when playing rugby.


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