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What a difference one player makes . . .

Started by Rooinek16 REPLIES1,434 VIEWS· 20 Sept 2021, 09:34
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Sept 2021, 09:34
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20 Sept 2021, 09:34#1

Rugby is a team sport but one player can make a massive difference as we've seen this year. 


The Springboks with Pieter-Steph du Toit in the side and the Springboks without him are almost two different teams. Gone is the passion, the drive and the work ethic and it's replaced with a sterile and apathetic shambles.


I know we have some rugby noobs on this forum like Omlett and Omellete who still believe that the World Rugby Player of the Year and Player of the 2019 RWC is a useless passenger, but these are the same gullible fools who worship at the shrine of their idol Eben Etzebeth and can't speak his name without clutching at their thin little gherkins and including the words "best in the world". 


Here's a question, how come Etzebeth always gets a pass when he plods around the field a few metres off the pace for the entire game, making high tackles, giving away penalties and making zero impact? We always hear loud shrieking from the egg magnets when someone like Lood de Jager or Damian de Allende makes a mistake but Etzebeth seems to get a free pass. What does PSdT have to do to get credit and what does Etzebeth have to do to get criticism? I can count on one hand the number of times Etzebeth has outplayed PSdT in a game yet listening to some of the biased and silly little chumps on this forum, you'd swear it was the other way around.


Anyway, I'm not for one second suggesting Pieter-Steph will solve all our problems . . . we need some backs (and a coach) with imagination and flair . . . but he will definitely bring a lot of energy back to the team.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Sept 2021, 09:57
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20 Sept 2021, 09:57#2
Agreed Rooi PSDT is a huge loss, Mostert has been a pathetic excuse for a substitute Mostert used to be one of those players I can tolerate in a side but after watching his RC displays that is no longer the case. He brings zero physicality to the role, something PSDT has in abundance. One player I would never tolerate in a side is Orie and therefore Orie coupled with Mostert in the engine room and we are on a hiding to nothing - the road to nowhere Suddenly we can’t even set up a driving maul from a line out and suddenly we can’t dominate a single scrum. Both weapons nullified by the selection of physically inept players What the fuck was Neinaber thinking? Disagree with you 100% on Eben
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Sept 2021, 10:09
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20 Sept 2021, 10:09#3

Nienaber? Hard to blame Rassie's puppet when he's never been given the reins. We all know who is pulling the strings and making the calls. Don't blame the physio.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Sept 2021, 10:19
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20 Sept 2021, 10:19#4
Agreed I blame Rassie 100% he should be in Oz with his team. His absence coupled with selecting some pretenders in the engine room is the cause of our demise
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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
20 Sept 2021, 10:25
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20 Sept 2021, 10:25#5
Seems the Boks can’t think for themselves either? Without Rassie micromanaging them all, running on the field every few minutes to tell them what to do
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Sept 2021, 10:30
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20 Sept 2021, 10:30#6
No papa that’s not how it works You take the lead singer out of the band and you are left with no band
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Sept 2021, 10:34
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20 Sept 2021, 10:34#7

"You take the lead singer out of the band and you are left with no band"

Pink Floyd did okay without Syd Barrett . . .

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Sept 2021, 10:39
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20 Sept 2021, 10:39#8
Exception to the rule
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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
20 Sept 2021, 10:58
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20 Sept 2021, 10:58#9
Im very curious to see what the Boks come up with this week? To stop the ABs momentum, ABs have a solid set piece, very good kicking game, defence is looking very good as well. The ABs use the ball, far better than the Wallabies, with both forwards and backs running it up, either the middle or out wide. The offloads the ABs produce is very difficult to stop. The level the ABs are at is getting better all the time, with threats are across the park, especially in the backs. Rieko Ioane Is in hot form, Will Jordan is another. Beauden Barrett is making a big comeback at the moment. In forwards Brodie Retallick is back to his rampaging best, he loves playing the Boks! Akira Ioane is really getting into test level this year! Excited to see what he can do. So is Scott Barrett, he’s stepping his game up this year.. Not to mention our loose forwards are building great depth at the moment.. But, we measure ourselves against the Boks. These tests are where we want to prove ourselves. Nothing else will matter if we don’t perform against SA.. I’m sure the same thing goes for the Boks. If they redeem themselves against us, all will be forgiven. They know it, we know it too.
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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
20 Sept 2021, 11:02
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20 Sept 2021, 11:02#10
Even our front row stocks are developing nicely too. I expect they want to keep building on the hard work they’ve done this year. Moody is back, so that helps the younger props with his experience. Foster will not be playing any games with his selection. It will be the best team available, if they beat us, I’ll be the first to congratulate the Springboks. Good luck
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Sept 2021, 11:08
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20 Sept 2021, 11:08#11

Dave I think rooitwit has done so well with his post. Sure he was dead wrong about Eben but at least he got it right about PSDT! 

Its a red letter day when rooiTWIT gets anything right. Rooitwit has always disliked Eben who plays it too rough for his tatstes. Hence rooitwit preferred the dainty Luke Watson over RWC player of the year Schalk Burger! Rooitwit hopes we will forget that blunder. But take comfort rooitwit your massive blunder was not as bad as the blunders by mozzzzzzz and the ORG. 

Rassie is obviously a great coach and his presence is being missed. There are probably sound reasons why he is not with the team. 

 I note in passing that there are those who were complaining bitterly, when we were winning, that Rassie wasn't giving Nienaber a fair chance to run the team. Now that we are losing its all Rassie's fault because he s not with the team.

Bwahhaahhaahhaahahah oh the foibles of some very hapless rugby posters blinded by RDS.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
20 Sept 2021, 12:52
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20 Sept 2021, 12:52#12

Im very curious to see what the Boks come up with this week?


Desperation. The only thing left in them.

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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
20 Sept 2021, 13:11
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20 Sept 2021, 13:11#13
Sometimes it can be enough.. I think they’ll need more than that this week.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
20 Sept 2021, 13:29
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20 Sept 2021, 13:29#14

The Boks had the same problems with Steph and without. The only difference is we didn't have a porous highway on the fringes and a little more in the way if carries over the gainline (Steph ranks 29th of all top top 30 ball carriers in SA by volume, ranks somewhere around 70th overall. Steph doesn't have very high production, and actually has by far the most misses tackles under Josè. We don't need him, and he won't make any kind of difference to the team. Putting the ball more in the hands if Wiese was an improvement.

Lood out, Steph out, Damian out, Kolisi out. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Sept 2021, 15:46
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20 Sept 2021, 15:46#15

It’s really hard to believe the level of emotional thinking on this Board. So with Dud Toit we would win?

Well this is the point Dud Toit left the Lions show after being monstered by a wing:


22'Player substituted - Pieter-Steph du Toit , South Africa17'3-6 Penalty goal - Dan Biggar , British and Irish Lions


At that point the aggregate score was 28 to 22 in favour of the Lions.

After he leaves the remainder of the series is 43 to 19 in favour of the Springboks.


Here’s another stat Dud Toit has an overall win rate as a Bok in the mid 50s….Dud Toit has played in 58 tests of which we have won 32 for a 55% win ratio…..well below any other Bok  player number I have ever calculated.

Dud Toit associated with Bok succcess? Nope…exactly the opposite.   Case closed.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
20 Sept 2021, 17:27
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20 Sept 2021, 17:27#16

Steph hasn't got the production to be a factor. Were he less useless on defence, he'd simply be invisible, like Kolisi. Steph is a very, very overrated player. You can tell how much of a myth he is by how little info any of his followers can present to defend him. They like him, but they cannot tell you why . All these plaudits for things that can never be seen. 

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
20 Sept 2021, 17:45
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20 Sept 2021, 17:45#17

The problem is that there are some positions where the Goats don't have a choice.  

Pollard is one of them and as far as I can tell Du Toit is another. 

You can make some serious improvements to the front row ... Like replacing the useless Bongi with Akker.

Any long standing club centre pair would be an improvement on what the Goats have. 

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