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What I> expected happened - Francois Steyn and JP Pietersen was substandard

Started by clevermike10 REPLIES142 VIEWS· 07 Mar 2015, 21:38
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Mar 2015, 21:38
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07 Mar 2015, 21:38#1

It is not fair to start immediately playing players from Japan in your starting line-up - they are not at all ready for  Super 15.


Dave4 wrote earlier that Steyn would eat De Allende for breakfast.  The exact opposite happened - De Allende made Steyn looks like a fool that does not belong on a rugby field.   Quite frankly - there was a serious decline in the case of Steyn - he was poor in 2014 and if todays match is anything to go by - he would be disastrously hopeless this year.  Late tackles - being shrugged off in tackles by De Allende - absolute lack of penetration - wild passes  - all was there to see by everyone.   The above could not go unpunished through a game and he ended up with a yellow card.


The only thing Steyn was noticeable for was in his arguments with the referee and his totally disgusting applause of the crowd following his yellow card.   This ego-trip will cost the Sharks dearly in future.


The only thing I noticed about Pietersen being on the field of play was when he got penalized for a dangerous tackle on De Jongh and two cases where eh had to help Fransie to tackle De Allende - who brushed both of them off and had to be tackled by other players.


Indeed a bad show by Fransie and JP.  If they cannot do better -- the Sharks should do themselves a favour and send both back to Japan.

     

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Mar 2015, 21:47
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07 Mar 2015, 21:47#2
 Allende was again the best center on view.However ou maaaikie do bear in mind the sharks backs  did not get as much good ball as the Mighty Stormers. 
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
07 Mar 2015, 21:53
#3
07 Mar 2015, 21:53#3
 Both were on the dirty side in this game CleverMike. Not a good way to return to Super Rugby.
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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
07 Mar 2015, 21:58
#4
07 Mar 2015, 21:58#4
 Mike, it was their first games back in a while, very harsh to expect them to be at their best. If they continue then go ahead and criticise but let them have a couple games to get back to it.  Like Beeno said De Allande was absolutely massive so probably the hardest reintroduction to Super Rugby they could have got.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Mar 2015, 22:23
#5
07 Mar 2015, 22:23#5
 I want to see what pace Frans has got and see what his work ethic is and ditto JP.
Lets not be too hasty here.
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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
07 Mar 2015, 22:38
#6
07 Mar 2015, 22:38#6
 I'm very very excited by De Allande, he looks a real talent
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Mar 2015, 22:46
#7
07 Mar 2015, 22:46#7
 So are Faf De Klerk and Pollard. Kriel is putting up his hand as well.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Mar 2015, 22:50
#8
07 Mar 2015, 22:50#8
 APD and Beeno
If you look at my first sentence I said it is unfair to put Japanese Club players immediately after their return in starting line ups for the Super 15 games.   They are not really up to standard and needs to get fitter and faster.   Both JP and Fransie was sub-standard insofar as those issues are concerned.
In all fairness they need to acclimatize and fir into the team - and I grant as well - they did not get good balls to play with.  However, they managed to fluff the few balls that came their way.
Because of lack of pace both was noticeable for their bad (dirty and late) tackles on opponents and they competed as to who could be penalized most.   I am particularly worries about Francois Steyn - all the poor elements of his game last year was still in evidence, obviously made worse by the Japanese sojourn. 
On the positive side his weight is given as 106 kgs - a massive improvement on the 118 kgs it was last year.   That should help in a major way to get him into shape in future - so there is still hope for improvement.        
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
07 Mar 2015, 23:15
#9
07 Mar 2015, 23:15#9
 Schalk looked good coming from the bench, had all the grunt and power he's always had, Japan obviously hasn't affected him.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Mar 2015, 23:13
#10
08 Mar 2015, 23:13#10
 de Allende was good but I loved Frans' s big hits he had a good game. de Allende was bett er though
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Mar 2015, 00:07
#11
09 Mar 2015, 00:07#11
 Dave
With all due respect -  I do not agree with you on Steyn's performance.  He was to my mind sub-standard and I gave the reasons for it clearlry.  He is to my mind not ready for Super 15 - and  he may and hopefully will get better as the season progresses.        
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