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Where is NH rugby Going?

Started by clevermike7 REPLIES290 VIEWS· 27 Nov 2015, 08:56
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Nov 2015, 08:56
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27 Nov 2015, 08:56#1
Every time one opes a newspaper the main rugby articls seems to be about who is now approached and contracted to play rugby in England and France - going further even into the coaching and staffing structures.
There are a number of important elements to what is going on. Those entail in the main the -
*   development of rugby internally in the UK and in France; and*   change in the traditional type of rugby played in the NH
Local Rugby Development  
The issue here is what is the constant foreign contracts doing to enhance rugby as a game in the NH?   
By contracting top players the status of club rugby is positive insofar as support for the clubs locally is concerned - they normally play in front of filled stadia and has strong community support.
However, there is a major negative - young players find their careers blocked by the foreign contracted players and the resultant impact on the national teams is seriously detrimental.  There should be serious consideration given to enhance local rugby and not enough is being done in that regard.
Playing Style of Rugby
This issue came to the fore again during the recent WC.   The countries who really shined bright in the WC were New Zealand, Australia and Argentina - the stampkar rugby playing countries - the UK, Ireland and South Africa were seriously defective.
Much is being made of the fact that South Africa was only beaten by 2 points by the All Blacks - but their campaign was poor and they lost badly against Japan and struggled against Wales.   
The moral of the story is that the countries who played 15 man rugby and a ball-in-hand game shows all of us how rugby should really be played.  The idea of trying to play off the mistakes made by opposing teams is ridiculous - because the opposition succeeds in limiting their mistakes and the stampkar players make an equal - if not more mistakes.  The stampkar rugby specialize in not scoring tries - which in fact is what the game is about.
The influx of SH players - other than from SA - will definitely have an impact on the style of rugby played in the NH countries.   
For the NH rugby this is indeed going to be a positive.   Such a change would push SA - who thus far refuses to accept that change is necessary - further down the ranking order of rugby playing nations.        
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
27 Nov 2015, 10:19
#2
27 Nov 2015, 10:19#2

 ...not so clever mike NH rugby or at least a NH team is supposedly to become part of the Super rugby comp as part of their expansion plan for the future...the options are to expand into Europe, North America , Asia or the Pacific...Although further incursions into Asia and the untapped North American market would be more natural next steps, Zimbabwe-born Marinos said in a conference call on Wednesday that even Europe would be considered.


While the number of players being lured away from the south by the riches of northern hemisphere clubs indicates the financial strength of countries such as France and England, Sanzar could yet find fertile ground for expansion on the Celtic fringes of European rugby.


"I think you've got to have a pretty open piece of paper," said Marinos.

"Besides the rugby strength that you've got to look at it's also got to be in good markets from a commercial point of view because, at the end of the day, you've got to generate sufficient revenue to sustain the competition so you've got to look across the board.


"You've got to look at all the markets where there are opportunities."

Along with the commercial returns that will come from expansion comes a duty to raise the level of the game in the areas concerned, Marinos said, making a further increase in the number of Super Rugby teams over the next two years unlikely.

One part of the world closer to Sanzar's traditional base are the Pacific Island nations of Fiji, Tonga and Samoa, which offer miniscule commercial opportunities but a huge quantity of quality rugby players.


"The Pacific Islands are very much in our thinking," Marinos said. "The over-arching consideration on any future expansion in my view is that we have to proper geographic locations that are also commercially attractive.

"The participation and inclusion of Pacific Islander players is really important, how we do that the next step and is going to need a fair bit of thought about it."

© Reuters
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Nov 2015, 10:46
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27 Nov 2015, 10:46#3
 Brycy
In essence rugby is no a sport with the wide range of attraction soccer has.  It si only natural that rugby needs to be expanded on a major scale and to bring in the US and Canad would be a means of expanding the sport.
I would rather see Super Rugby on the basis of 12 teams from New Zealand, Australia and SA - with teams from the following making up the remainder of the competition:-
*   Argentina - 2 teams*   USA*   Canada
*   Japan*   Pacific Islands - 2 teams*   Ireland           - 3 teams
*   Roumania*   Russia
To make up a total of 24 teams and 6 groups of 4 teams each - the various conferences could be the following:-
Group 1
USACanadaArgentina - Team 1Argentina - Team 2
Group 2
JapanRussiaPacific Islands - Team 1Pacific Islands - Team 2
Group 3
Ireland - Team 1Ireland - Team 2Ireland - Team 3Romania
Group 4
New Zealand - 4 Teams
Group 4
Australia       - 4 Teams
Group 4
South Africa  - 4 Teams
After playing internal matches within Groups the top 12 teams (2 in each Group) must then play each other in the second phase of the programme and the quarter-finals and later games will then be determined by the standing of the teams on the combined log.
Just a few interesting ideas - but that would mean a drastic expansion of the game world wide.       

   
   
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
27 Nov 2015, 12:02
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27 Nov 2015, 12:02#4

...not so clever mike it may not be as attractive as soccer but there are strategies being introduced to make certain sports more pervasive for the want of a better word and to enable them to challenge for viewership..

'....such as what is happening in NRL and NBL in Australasia is the trend towards games 5 days a week...

..So in order to compete commercially with other sports will Super Ru gby go the same way and consider Thursday to Monday games??.... which poses all kinds of headaches such as less recovery time for players ,increasing the risk of injury and burnout...not to mention what impact this will have on the quality of rugby produced...gate sales on work days will not be as good either so someone will take a hit or need to be compensated etc..


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Nov 2015, 13:05
#5
27 Nov 2015, 13:05#5
Brycy
Hope not - it will make life hell for fantasy participants. 
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WardadPro6,663 posts
28 Nov 2015, 02:48
#6
28 Nov 2015, 02:48#6
 Sometimes less is more ,instead of a 6th SA team a PI team based in Auckland would be the go and I guarantee they would have crowd support from the off.Plus way better rugby ,who wants to watch more wooden spoon teams ?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Nov 2015, 03:15
#7
28 Nov 2015, 03:15#7
 Wardad
I am even unhappy to support a fourth SA Franchise team leave alone 5 - even that is one team too many.  
The same would apply to a sixth NZ team.  
For one thing where the hell is SA going to find coaches for more teams.  We are already destroyed by having duds as coaches  starting from the very top.   And NZ coaches will not be interested since they would not select players based on  illogical political interference.    
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WardadPro6,663 posts
28 Nov 2015, 14:05
#8
28 Nov 2015, 14:05#8
 Theres only x amount of talent to go around and inevitably its gonna affect quality .NZ  doesnt want or need another franchise and it baffles me why the TV gits think that more rubbish local derbies is good for business .I wanna see my boys smashing Saffa  and Oz teams not other Kiwi teams. And it affects the SH test teams too .
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