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Who's in your World Cup Pre-lim squad?

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KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
14 Mar 2023, 13:02
#1
14 Mar 2023, 13:02#1

With only 5 test matches remaining and coming to the business end of the season. It is time to play selector and decide who the 45 players you want in your squad. Knowing that there will be 12 players that won't be sipping French wine and nibbling on fromach. 


Not sure if there would be any time for bolters or uncapped boks. So I am asking for 3 players in each position. 


Some may opt for utility players, but right now we need the top 3 in each position

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Mar 2023, 15:47
#2
14 Mar 2023, 15:47#2
Where’s Dave when we need him?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Mar 2023, 15:47
#3
14 Mar 2023, 15:47#3
Dud Toit would be my third number 5
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Mar 2023, 16:17
#4
14 Mar 2023, 16:17#4

Who's the first 2?

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
14 Mar 2023, 18:25
#5
14 Mar 2023, 18:25#5

Sure Dave will have few bolters in his pick. Here is my list


  1. Malherbe, Ox
  2. Marx, Bongi, Grobbler, Dwebe
  3. Flab Malherbe, Koch, Du Toit (Can cover both spots)
  4. Etzebeth, RG, Jenkins
  5. Lood, Mostert
  6. Kolisi, Kwagga, Eskom
  7. PSTD, Louw, Liebenberg (Tigers) 
  8. Wiese, Roos, Vermeulen
  9. Faf, Hendrikse, Williams
  10. Pollard, Libbok
  11. Cheslin, Moodie
  12. Dud Allende, Willemse, JVR
  13. Am, Kriel, Serfontein
  14. Mpimpi, Nkosi
  15. Le Roux, Gelant, Arendse
To be honest, really scratching my head here, been lacking some decent rugby with all of this stop start games and then half our players abroad, don't know how they are performing. 
I won't pick Steyn or Vermeulen, they've had their time in the lime light, time to back our youngsters. 
Went for Serfontein, forgotten bok but can cover both 12 and 13 as well Jansen Van Rensburg. Not a fan of Dud Allende, but I see his value given how defences are organised, so need that Diesel engine in the midfield that can add torque and go forward ball. 
Williams has been the stand out 9 for the SA teams, electric pace and starting to mature now. 
Left Fassi out as he hasn't showed any form and goes AWOL on defence or during games. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Mar 2023, 18:57
#6
14 Mar 2023, 18:57#6

Jumping Jack Flash, Snyman/Lomp. Lomp only if Snyman is compromised.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Mar 2023, 18:59
#7
14 Mar 2023, 18:59#7

Serfontein?? Is JJ next?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Mar 2023, 19:15
#8
14 Mar 2023, 19:15#8

KC 

There is a limitation on some selections of a world cup squad of 31 players because of injury possibilities.

There should always be -

3  hookers in the team

6   props in the squad 

3  Scrumhalves

The above leaves only 8 forward and 11 backline position filling the squad to full strength

Backline :-

Full Backs    -    Le Roux 

Wings           -     Kolbe,  

Centers         -     De Allende, Willemse and Am

Flyhalfs        -     Pollard, Goosen and Libbok 

Scrumhalfs   -     De Klerk, Williams and Jantjies  

 That leaves 3 positions to be filled in the backline.    I am still working on the issue and will complete the squad later on  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Mar 2023, 19:15
#9
14 Mar 2023, 19:15#9

KC 

There is a limitation on some selections of a world cup squad of 31 players because of injury possibilities.

There should always be -

3  hookers in the team

6   props in the squad 

3  Scrumhalves

The above leaves only 8 forward and 11 backline position filling the squad to full strength

Backline :-

Full Backs    -    Le Roux 

Wings           -     Kolbe,  

Centers         -     De Allende, Willemse and Am

Flyhalfs        -     Pollard, Goosen and Libbok 

Scrumhalfs   -     De Klerk, Williams and Jantjies  

 That leaves 3 positions to be filled in the backline.    I am still working on the issue and will complete the squad later on  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Mar 2023, 19:15
#10
14 Mar 2023, 19:15#10

KC 

There is a limitation on some selections of a world cup squad of 31 players because of injury possibilities.

There should always be -

3  hookers in the team

6   props in the squad 

3  Scrumhalves

The above leaves only 8 forward and 11 backline position filling the squad to full strength

Backline :-

Full Backs    -    Le Roux 

Wings           -     Kolbe,  

Centers         -     De Allende, Willemse and Am

Flyhalfs        -     Pollard, Goosen and Libbok 

Scrumhalfs   -     De Klerk, Williams and Jantjies  

 That leaves 3 positions to be filled in the backline.    I am still working on the issue and will complete the squad later on  

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
15 Mar 2023, 12:10
#11
15 Mar 2023, 12:10#11

Mike, Goosen hasn't shown any form at all and not even playing at the moment. I see Morne pitching up these days and I'm not sure if he is done for. 

This is not my World Cup squad but the 45 players I would use for the final 5 test matches before the World Cup. 

Here are our games for 2023, none of them are easy games. I'm surprised we didn't arrange a game against Fiji, Japan or even Namibia just to clear out the cob webs. We go straight into World Cup mode against very tough teams. Not sure where the players self belief will be come World Cup


Saturday, 8 July – Springboks v Australia (Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria)

Saturday, 15 July – Springboks v New Zealand (venue TBC)

Saturday, 29 July – Springboks v Argentina (Emirates Airline Park, Johannesburg)

RWC warm-up fixtures:

Saturday, 5 August – Springboks v Argentina (venue TBC)

Saturday, 19 August – Springboks v Wales (Principality Stadium, Cardiff)

Friday, 25 August – SA v New Zealand (Twickenham, London)

RWC pool fixtures:

Sunday, 10 September – Springboks v Scotland (Stade Velodrome, Marseille)

Sunday, 17 September – Springboks v Romania (Stade de Bordeaux, Bordeaux)

Saturday, 23 September – Springboks v Ireland (Stade de France, Paris)

Sunday, 1 October – Springboks v Tonga (Stade Velodrome, Marseille)

Weekend of 14/15 October – Quarterfinals

Weekend of 21/22 October – Semifinals

Saturday, 28 October – Final

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Mar 2023, 20:31
#12
15 Mar 2023, 20:31#12

Kingcorn

Reading your above jeremiads remind me totally of similar comments made in 2019 before the WC.   The Springboks were in disarray and a very poor team - yet in the end they won the WC. 

By the way Morne was other than goalkicking a shit flyhalf and he still is one.   I gain the impression that some Springbok squad players have been put on ice for a while when they get fitness and strength training only. That may be the case with Goosen as well,       

In 2019 I also had doubts based on 2018 performances by the team as a whole - but after their RC performances I was convinced that they would win the WC.   Now back to 2023  I saw objectively the performances in 2022 and became convinced that they would win the 2023 WC.   If they lost by wide margins in 2022 tests I would be doubtful about them - but their losses with weakened teams  because of some injuries were not really that depressing.       

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Mar 2023, 20:31
#13
15 Mar 2023, 20:31#13

Kingcorn

Reading your above jeremiads remind me totally of similar comments made in 2019 before the WC.   The Springboks were in disarray and a very poor team - yet in the end they won the WC. 

By the way Morne was other than goalkicking a shit flyhalf and he still is one.   I gain the impression that some Springbok squad players have been put on ice for a while when they get fitness and strength training only. That may be the case with Goosen as well,       

In 2019 I also had doubts based on 2018 performances by the team as a whole - but after their RC performances I was convinced that they would win the WC.   Now back to 2023  I saw objectively the performances in 2022 and became convinced that they would win the 2023 WC.   If they lost by wide margins in 2022 tests I would be doubtful about them - but their losses with weakened teams  because of some injuries were not really that depressing.       

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Mar 2023, 21:40
#14
15 Mar 2023, 21:40#14

"Jumping Jack Flash, Snyman/Lomp. Lomp only if Snyman is compromised."

That's based on 4 years ago form...RG must prove his fitness before he can be a serious contender. 

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
15 Mar 2023, 22:24
#15
15 Mar 2023, 22:24#15

RG has talent. Lood has no talent and is very unathletic. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Mar 2023, 07:48
#16
16 Mar 2023, 07:48#16

Yes, it's a pity Eben never had a standout partner like Bakkies had in Victor. Imagine a fit RG with 75 tests under the belt, teaming up with Eben and the rest of the Bok pack...Mostert is  more than just solid, but not a generational great...same for Lood.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Mar 2023, 08:00
#17
16 Mar 2023, 08:00#17

l'Grande Merde has no brain and has no idea at all about rugby.    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Mar 2023, 08:00
#18
16 Mar 2023, 08:00#18

l'Grande Merde has no brain and has no idea at all about rugby.    

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Mar 2023, 03:35
#19
18 Mar 2023, 03:35#19

I actually think Eben is athletic enough to have been a great 5___with a block like Willemse they would have been formidable.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Mar 2023, 07:17
#20
18 Mar 2023, 07:17#20

He's athletic enough to play center ,  but I think he likes playing where he does.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Mar 2023, 02:56
#21
19 Mar 2023, 02:56#21

Dud Toit would be my third number 5

Pompous Piles cowardly avoids the question in the header which asks for 'your squad.'

Instead he once more rubbishes the selections of others without committing to one of his own.

Same old.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Mar 2023, 03:13
#22
19 Mar 2023, 03:13#22

Says Comrade September. No team from you, but you immediately focus on me….keep it up, maybe you’ll learn something. Hahaha…it took two posts on the Trumpet, this time you made a fool of yourself in one!

have another

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Mar 2023, 03:35
#23
19 Mar 2023, 03:35#23

All I've learned from you is that all your calls are in hindsight.

For all your "rugby or cricket knowledge" you've never ever picked a team....never ever spruiked a player....rubbished plenty though.....sits back and waits until others have before starting the slagg.......never ever picked a WC winner or a winning team in any contest but without fail you've been a star after the event.

Stick with the subject matter or STFU.

Now select your team.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Mar 2023, 03:55
#24
19 Mar 2023, 03:55#24

Getting to the profanities Comrade…a sure sign you aren’t winning. But you’re used to that.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Mar 2023, 06:27
#25
19 Mar 2023, 06:27#25

Nyaaah Nyaaaah...revert to the header, select your team you moron.

You can't can you?.... never have, never will but that doesn't stop you from crapping on the selections of others.

A great little act that's made you look like a genius to some....not to all, thankfully some here see right through your sleaze.

Twenty some odd years of hindsight and to date not a single team, spruiking a player or prediction of a game .

You are the master of the perfect science.....it's called hindsight.



DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
19 Mar 2023, 10:40
#26
19 Mar 2023, 10:40#26

What a pile of dribble. The greatest imbeciles I see here are the band of stooges who dodge the rugby discussions I put forward. Quick to snipe, but they cannot provide anything other than cut-and-paste from others to support themselves. The original ideas and insights never come from the likes of Mrs Searle and his little collection of wagging tales. No ability to analyze the game at even a basic level. 

MO
MoonroverPro1,973 posts
19 Mar 2023, 18:56
#27
19 Mar 2023, 18:56#27

Saw some vintage Blommetjies yesterday. Outstanding player of the match. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Mar 2023, 19:02
#28
19 Mar 2023, 19:02#28

You first Comrade, Quislings in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Still I can see why you’re reluctant. Remember when you were convinced Ruhan Nel was the answer at 13 and when you couldn’t understand why we weren’t picking Marcel Coetzee. 


DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
21 Mar 2023, 02:26
#29
21 Mar 2023, 02:26#29

And your WC prelim squad is....????

Yep...thought so.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Mar 2023, 16:35
#30
21 Mar 2023, 16:35#30

We are still waiting Comrade for one thought that’s not a cut and paste.


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Mar 2023, 18:42
#31
21 Mar 2023, 18:42#31
At some point we‘ll have to stop wasting airtime on RG. Everyone knows he could be a wonderful Bok. On the other hand, he’s probably got a few years worth of rust to work off, we don’t really know if he’ll be 100% after his knee op and he’s also relatively injury prone. Snyman might go down as one of those rare players where everything else was the problem and not his actual rugby. We’d all love to see him fit and he’s unanimously got everyone here’s vote and best wishes. …but we have to be realistic too.
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
21 Mar 2023, 18:54
#32
21 Mar 2023, 18:54#32

RG is the most complete lock I have ever seen. It really is such a pity. I'm hoping his career follows the Butch James arc. Butch was the most naturally talented Bok 10 I've seen, but also blighted by injuries. Jake said he was always his preferred 10, but it took years to get him back on the field. Also blighted by injuries. What a loss to the game when these things happen. One thing is for certain, we really don't need Lood. I liked what I saw from van Rensburg most. I have absolutely no idea why Erasmus didn't promote him further. He literally bullied everything he encountered. I haven't seen such a powerful ruck clean since Bakkies. We are currently quite a soft Bok side, but we have the players to be a true power pack, with a feared and oppressive backline without compromising skill. In fact, these selections would increase our currently meager skill level. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Mar 2023, 13:31
#33
22 Mar 2023, 13:31#33
I have been on a flight with the Bulls squad. Those boys are monsters in the flesh up close My WC squad would be: 15. Willie / Gelant 14/11. Mapimpi / Nkosi / Kolbe / Arendse 13/12. Am / de Allende / JVR / Esterhuizen / Willemse 10. Pollard / Libbok 9. Faf / Hendrikse 1/3. Ox / Kitshoff / Malherbe / Thomas du Toit / Wilco Louw 2. Marx / Mbonambi / Dweba 4/5. Etzebeth / RG Snyman / Lood / Jason Jenkins 6/7/8. Kolisi / Kwagga / PSDT / JL du Preez / Roos/ Dan du Preez / Wiese
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
22 Mar 2023, 15:44
#34
22 Mar 2023, 15:44#34
Good Wilco is there…..and Grobbelaar must also be there by the Hookers….did you meet some of the Bulls players or at least get a pic with some of the Big Fellas?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Mar 2023, 16:09
#35
22 Mar 2023, 16:09#35

Dave I knew if I waited long enough you’d produce the goods. I’d go for Dave’s squad.

I once got in an elevator occupied by  a bunch of huge guys, we went down a few floors and more huge guys entered. It felt a bit weird, as if you were on a different planet. Turned out the Chicago Bears were having a conference.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
22 Mar 2023, 18:13
#36
22 Mar 2023, 18:13#36
Those American Football dudes are also huge :) I would also bring Ruben van Heerden in there in place of Lood lead Feet : )
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
22 Mar 2023, 19:57
#37
22 Mar 2023, 19:57#37

Quite a few years ago the New England Patriots had an offensive line that was bigger than every Springbok that has ever been! Nate Solder was 6ft 8.5 and 145kg. Just a little perspective. 


MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
22 Mar 2023, 20:31
#38
22 Mar 2023, 20:31#38
Damm very big guy….wonder if he is all natural or some Hulk juice in the mix? He is a Offensive tackler/line ….can you imagine him and Eben together as the Back row? It will send chills down anyones back : )
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Mar 2023, 11:50
#39
23 Mar 2023, 11:50#39
These guys look big on telly but when you share a plane with them up close they are big guys. Even a little guy like Arendse looked pretty square in the flesh. Bismark is tall, Elrigh Louw is a monster and very sociable, Nortje the lock was a bit maar, Ruan Vermaak the other lock is a unit and the props were all big big boys. v Staaden looks as hard as nails. Moodie is very tall as is Kriel the fullback. Spoke to a few of them, nice guys - Moodie told me they were playing against Belfast which is a bit concerning No photos I’m not into that shit
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
23 Mar 2023, 12:40
#40
23 Mar 2023, 12:40#40
Nice :) I think most of these guys are pretty down to Earth.
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