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Who should make the All Blacks starting line-up? Rugby Stuff

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
10 May 2016, 22:04
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10 May 2016, 22:04#1

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Interesting article in light of our debate on the other thread about which players should make the combined AB & Bok team. This article only discusses the ABs but it echos my own views on many of the spots. Maybe yours too? 
I have noted some differences below & my logic in making the selections. 
Napier picked discussed Dixon in competition with Kaino but picked Jordan Taufua as competition with Kaino.
Another difference is I picked M-S over Naholo (had him on the bench). M-S offers a different style of play.
Knowler picks Damien McKenzie - I feel it's too early, let him get more experience & bring him into the wider training group. He also picks Barrett over Cruden - I want Barrett's versatility on the bench & his impact off the bench, Cruden either starts or he has trouble making the 23 man cut.
Both picked Joe Moody over Reggie Goodes - I picked Goodes on form and his skills around the park.

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WardadPro6,663 posts
10 May 2016, 23:43
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10 May 2016, 23:43#2
 I dunno about Mackenzie ,bench against the wee Welshies ?Probably just me wanting to see him carve them up .
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
11 May 2016, 00:12
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11 May 2016, 00:12#3
Liam Napier, Richard Knowler: Who should make the All Blacks starting line-up?

LIAM NAPIER AND RICHARD KNOWLER


Beauden Barrett of the Hurricanes is favoured at 10 by Richard Knowler.

OPINION: Stuff rugby writers Liam Napier and Richard Knowler put forward their choices for the All Blacks starting team against Wales. And there are a few surprises.

LIAM NAPIER
For all the high-profile post-World Cup departures, much of the All Blacks starting team is settled.

Seven of my pack for the June 11 test against Wales started the World Cup final triumph over the Wallabies, bringing a level of consistency and composure, with only Richie McCaw missing.

His replacement is rightly being debated. Ardie Savea leads almost every statistical category, including turnovers won, line-breaks and less penalties conceded.


Chiefs' pivot Aaron Cruden is in the No 10 jersey in Liam Napier's squad.

The reality is not everything can be measured in stats. Sam Cane hits hard and smashes into rucks. He's a leader within the All Blacks and has done his time over the past four years to deserve his chance.

 

Crusader Jordan Taufua scores a try against the Reds.

Expect to see Cane and Savea used in tandem at the back end of tests, too. Other areas of contention in the pack are in the front-row, where Joe Moody has gone past Wyatt Crockett, while Owen Franks edges Charlie Faumuina.

Jerome Kaino hasn't been at his best and with Elliot Dixon snapping at his heels the competition is there at blindside. But like most established All Blacks, Kaino will be given the chance to lift if his shoulder injury comes right.

Second five-eighth is the most hotly-contested backline role, with Charlie Ngatai excelling this season at the Chiefs. His defence remains a work-on, though. Ngatai has missed nine tackles compared with Ryan Crotty's five this year and, in the midfield, those are costly. Ngatai will get his chance, but not in the first test.

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Ben Smith keeps out Damian McKenzie in Liam Napier's starting All Blacks team.

Other talking points come on the right wing, where Waisake Naholo proved his classy finishing ability on return from a fractured leg last week. That's enough for me to give him the tick.

Ben Smith, the world's best fullback, keeps out Damian McKenzie, who should make the squad but has some defensive issues to iron out. No need to rush the talented kid into the test arena; his time will come.

Finally at first-five, Aaron Cruden gets the nod for his experience and all-round package, despite not being at his best yet. Beauden Barrett has been brilliant in patches this year – notably against the Rebels, Chiefs and Lions where his running game was sublime. But he still lacks a touch of consistency and confidence in his goal-kicking. Lima Sopoaga mounts a challenges too, but initially at least Cruden has done enough for first crack.


NAPIER'S STARTING XV

15 Ben Smith
14 Waisake Naholo
13 Malakai Fekitoa
12 Ryan Crotty
11 Julian Savea
10 Aaron Cruden
9 Aaron Smith
8 Kieran Read (c)
7 Sam Cane
6 Jerome Kaino
5 Brodie Retallick
4 Sam Whitelock
3 Owen Franks
2 Dane Coles
1 Joe Moody


RICHARD KNOWLER

Julian Savea doesn't just dodge a bullet. He's ducked a missile packed with all the nasty stuff.

While the majority of this team is picked on form, Savea gets selected on trust. That's the sole reason for listing him on the left wing and I am not prepared to offer any excuses such as the Hurricanes' game plan not being tailored to suit his skills, or that play hasn't simply run his way. Because I don't believe it.

The Chiefs' James Lowe has been in better form, but I am going to back the All Blacks coaches to get the best out of the experienced Savea who can suddenly fire on the big stage (remember the World Cup quarterfinal against France in Cardiff?).

His inclusion also suits my preference for Damian McKenzie at fullback, which forces Ben Smith to the right wing.

Savea has been around long enough to not get exposed in defence and to know how to communicate with those around him; that would be valuable for McKenzie who shouldn't have to worry about being exploited out the back because his left wing has become muddled about where to run if the defence is stressed.

Shifting Smith to the No 14 spot isn't ideal, he would no doubt prefer to be fullback, but I haven't seen enough, yet, of Highlanders team-mate Waisake Naholo to say he should be rushed back into the test side.

The other contentious decision is to start Ryan Crotty at second five-eighth ahead of Charlie Ngatai. Why? Because Crotty, while he may not possess the same power-running game of Ngatai, is a good organiser of the defensive line and would be a good foil for centre Malakai Fekitoa.

It's Beauden Barrett at first-five for me. Goal kicking is a worry, but McKenzie could cover that off. Barrett is running the ball better than Cruden, and the latter still appears short of his top speed after that serious knee injury he suffered last year.

The forward pack is predictable - largely - apart from the inclusion of Jordan Taufua ahead of Jerome Kaino at blindside flanker. I like what Taufua offers with his strong ball carries and he hits hard in defence. A close call to include him ahead of other back rowers such as Elliot Dixon, or even Liam Squire who is more suited to No 8.

Kaino is still a champion. Injuries have done him few favours this season. He would be better off taking June off to get his body right.


KNOWLER'S STARTING XV

15 Damian McKenzie
14 Ben Smith
13 Malakai Fekitoa
12 Ryan Crotty
11 Julian Savea
10 Beauden Barrett
9 Aaron Smith
8 Kieran Read (captain)
7 Sam Cane
6 Jordan Taufua
5 Sam Whitelock
4 Brodie Retallick
3 Owen Franks
2 Dane Coles
1 Joe Moody

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
11 May 2016, 00:13
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11 May 2016, 00:13#4
hi dr win and warhammer,

i posted the article cos its a good read,
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
11 May 2016, 00:22
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11 May 2016, 00:22#5
napiers team is more in my line of thinking we only have one difference, i posted an All Blacks team i would like to see on another thread, but that team was selected before last weeks cheifs highlanders game.

naholo with that one match has done enough for me to select him into my ABs straight away.

my team and bench are,,,

uzumaki AB XV

1 j moody, d coles, 3 o franks,

4 b retallick, 5 s whitelock

6 j kaino, 8 k read (c), 7 a savea

9 a smith, 10 a cruden

12 r crotty, 13 m fekitoa

11 j savea, 15 b smith, 14 w naholo

16 c taylor, 17 w crockett, 18 c faumuina, 19 p tuipulotu, 20 s cane, 21 t kerr barlow, 22 b barret, 23 c ngati
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 May 2016, 17:16
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12 May 2016, 17:16#6
 Another opinion that says McKenzie isn't ready for the ABs yet.
Paul Lewis: No room for McKenzie in All Blacks right now NZ Herald

There's a big swell of anticipation among fans that Chiefs pocket rocket Damian McKenzie will be in the All Blacks squad for the test series against Wales next month.

Could be right, too. The little bloke with the flying feet and the goalkicking grin has been the single most dynamic player in Super Rugby this season. I watch the Chiefs just to see him, a fantail whose darts and dips make the bigger men look like kereru who've had too many kahikatea berries.

I haven't seen such a charismatic small player since Mac Herewini. He was mostly renowned for his pinpoint kicking and territorial nous with the All Blacks and Auckland but, when he decided to dance, he made Michael Jackson look like an Easter Island statue. Admittedly, I saw Herewini when I was a boy. You tend to have more romantic recollections of such times.

McKenzie, who weighs about as much as a wet teabag, has to contend with a much faster game, opponents and less time than Herewini ever had.

Will McKenzie be an All Black? Yes. Against Wales? I believe not. He may not be quite ready. The end-of-year tour looks a better bet, as all this watching of the Chiefs has left two impressions:

1) McKenzie has a little way to go in his defensive game. A lot has been made of his try-saving tackle on cathedral-sized Crusaders wing Nemani Nadolo but he has fallen off other tackles.

2) Opponents are starting to work him out. They have toned down the kicking game to the Chiefs' back three and muscle up on him quickly when he has the ball. At top level, at fullback, his size means he has to go trampoline-high to get the ball if he is being targeted, as the Australians and South Africans, for example, are sure to do.

Neither reason is enough to keep him out of the All Blacks long-term. Another small man, Aaron Cruden, had similar deficiencies in his defensive game and he tidied them up well.

Most McKenzie fans see him as a natural replacement for World Cup will-o-the-wisp Nehe Milner-Skudder. They are similar players with McKenzie perhaps having the edge in sheer pace. He can also play first five-eighths, wing or fullback and has been the best goalkicker on show in the New Zealand franchises.

There is also the issue of squeezing in the All Blacks door ahead of players in whom the coaches have confidence. It's dollars to doughnuts Cruden will be the All Black No 10. There is an opening on the wing with injuries to Milner-Skudder and Waisake Naholo (although the latter is now back on the field). Many think the best selection is moving Ben Smith there and McKenzie into fullback.

However, there's this world-class fullback called Israel Dagg who has been exhibiting signs of returning to his best. Still only 27, Dagg's return to the international field may be of more benefit to the All Blacks selectors than injecting McKenzie at this point.

Many also think McKenzie might be best off the bench. But where does that leave Beauden Barrett? He's also had a fine season and has proven credentials in - oh, I don't know ... the World Cup final - covering 10 and 15. So no room for McKenzie right now.

The other interesting selections are at loose forward and midfield. It now seems more likely the selectors may feel it's time for someone other than Jerome Kaino to have consistent time in the No 6 jersey. There are plenty of claims for the Highlanders' Elliot Dixon or the Hurricanes' Brad Shields but my money's on Steven Luatua. He can play 6, 8 or lock, is a proven lineout option (as Richie McCaw was) and is looking much more the player he was when he got into the All Blacks the first time.

Sam Cane will be openside flanker but who will be his back-up? Matt Todd has benefitted from the Crusaders' good Super Rugby campaign but this could be the time, given he has surrendered his Olympic sevens hopes, for Ardie Savea. He's got more to learn than Todd has about ball-pilfering but Wales seem a good opportunity to try him at the next level.

In the midfield, it seems certain the selectors will go for Ryan Crotty at second-five. Replacing Conrad Smith's unparalleled distribution and ability to read a game and centre's defensive complexities is one of their biggest headaches. While Crotty is usually a 12 rather than a 13, Malaki Fekitoa's positioning at 12 against the Chiefs may be a possibility for the national team if they are seeking to replicate the pairing of the free-running Ma'a Nonu and the strategic Smith.

Either way, the Chiefs' Charlie Ngatai may not make the starting selection, although I'd expect him to be in the 23. He is too good an attacker and distributor and has a fine kicking game.

So the first All Black team for the series against Wales could be: Owen Franks, Dane Coles, Joe Moody, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Steven Luatua, Sam Cane, Kieran Read (c), Aaron Smith, Aaron Cruden, Julian Savea, Ryan Crotty, Malaki Fekitoa, Ben Smith, Israel Dagg. Bench: Codie Taylor, Charlie Faumuina, Wyatt Crockett, Patrick Tuipulotu, Ardie Savea, Brad Weber, Beauden Barrett, Charlie Ngatai.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 May 2016, 22:58
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12 May 2016, 22:58#7
Crotty at 12......no man
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