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Why an Australian Super Rugby team must be cut

Started by Denny12 REPLIES460 VIEWS· 15 Mar 2017, 21:52
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Mar 2017, 21:52
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15 Mar 2017, 21:52#1

In the beginning there was rugby, and it was good and it was great.

A grown-up version of piggy-in-the-middle, in Australia, it didn't attract much of a crowd, but no one cared because it wasn't actually about the crowd at all. It was a player's game, of the players, by the players, for the players and that was all that counted.

But then rugby turned ever more professional, and for six years or so, in Australia, it really looked like it was the game that would take over – for the crowds came in ever more overwhelming numbers!

The rugby was fabulous, the results always tight, the "vibe" at the ground and on the tube just wonderful. This, friends, THIS was was the way the game could be played!

Both at Australian and provincial level the spectacle was superb. And yes, Super Rugby was famously derided by the leaguies as "Mickey Mouse football", because the scoring was so prodigious – but what did we care? Our game was breaking new records, and the 13-man game, still reeling from Super League was dying before our very eyes.

And then, not long after the turn of the century, somehow, the wind changed. Instead of fantastic rugby, instead of stunning results, instead of Australian teams winning, both at national and provincial levels, the long winter of our discontent began. With very few exceptions – Michael Cheika's Waratahs of three years ago being the notable example – the rugby in Australia started to drift away even as the ratings started to fade and crowds to dwindle.

There is no pinpoint moment but, there is no doubt that the process of deterioration accelerated after the ascension of the Western Force in 2006 and got worse still after the Melbourne Rebels came along in 2011. Was it because having two extra teams inevitably meant that teams were weaker because the best players were spread among five teams and not just three?

Indubitably. That was not the sole reason, but the mathematics are unchallengeable. At the same time, what had been a tight competition of just a dozen teams, grew to 15 teams and now 18 teams, as teams from Japan and Argentina were added, and the comp was broken into "conferences", whatever they are.

Instead of one competition table that everyone could understand, and followed, you needed a slide rule and a packed-lunch – and most importantly, to actually give a bugger – to be able to work it out. The numbers drifted still further, until ...

Until we reached the current point where SANZAAR, the organising body of Super Rugby, acknowledges the crisis and is about to announce a likely cull of, at least, one Australian provincial team.

It will be very painful, and no doubt about it. Whichever team/s must be made to bite the bullet, even as they are given one, can be counted on to scream long and loud. For despite the general lack of success of the Force and Rebels in particular, and the Brumbies – in recent years only – all of them have very committed players and wonderfully enthusiastic fans. It is just that there are not enough of the latter.

So let there be no doubt that urgent surgery is required.

Put simply, the administrators cannot continue simply drifting on from year to year, funding teams that lose money, year after year. They need to act, and quickly, to give the competition at least a semblance of the glory it once had. They need to get rid of the conference system, get everyone back on the one table, and while they are at it, do what is necessary to make the teams from Japan and Argentina competitive.

So who will go from Australia? I frankly suspect that it will be Rebels, and feel for them. But the sad truth remains, while AFL has done brilliantly well surging into Sydney and Brisbane – flourishing despite being in league and union territory – neither league nor union has managed to do the same in the AFL heartland of Melbourne. League, at least, has the Storm prospering in terms of winning competitions, but with the Rebels they have neither the results, nor the crowds, despite throwing everything they have at it. The players have toiled mightily, the crowds have been passionate.

But the bottom line – and if you note, that is exactly where we are now – is that it simply hasn't been enough. Globally, rugby is bigger than ever. Domestically, it is in huge trouble, and though this cut is going to hurt, Australian rugby will be stronger for it.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
16 Mar 2017, 09:06
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16 Mar 2017, 09:06#2
 
Boy ... that was tiresome.

Fell asleep a third way down.




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MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
16 Mar 2017, 09:16
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16 Mar 2017, 09:16#3
Denny,Living in Sunny Perth, my hope is that it is not us. My feeling it's going to be either the Rebels or the Brumbies. I reckon the Brumbies will cop the chop.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Mar 2017, 09:19
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16 Mar 2017, 09:19#4
That's not your own work, Dense. Anyone can tell after reading the first few lines that the writer has at least some command of the language and a basic level of education . . . so it can't be you.

Quote your sources, plagiarist!
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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
16 Mar 2017, 10:21
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16 Mar 2017, 10:21#5
From what I've read prob Brumbies gone. Surprising you would think Rebels or Force be the likely ones. Other ones prob force and kings. Sunwolves is very likely, but they may keep them. But theyvwell prob get cut. I think this is a good move overall. 15 sides sounds better too me. Aussie back to three sides we'll benefit them. Brumbies and Force players go To Melbourne..
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Mar 2017, 10:58
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16 Mar 2017, 10:58#6
 Living in Sunny Perth, my hope is that it is not us. My feeling it's going to be either the Rebels or the Brumbies. I reckon the Brumbies will cop the chop.
From what I can understand the Rebels have a financier/sponsor so I doubt it will be them...my bet unfortunately is on your mob.

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WardadPro6,663 posts
16 Mar 2017, 15:25
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16 Mar 2017, 15:25#7
 Bit hard on the Aussies considering that 3 of their teams have won at least 1 Super comp .Funny how beendork accused NZ teams of stacking all their best players in one team when all 5 have won a super title,its actually what the SA and Aussie teams should be doing .5 kiwi ,1 Pacific ,1 Argie 4 Aussie . and 4 SA teams.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2017, 15:40
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16 Mar 2017, 15:40#8
 Urinal has obviously forgotten being outed for plagiarism.....denny was clearly quoting an article. Urinal presented an idea as his own, which wasn't......here's my post which outed the sleaze: ......... 'RE: Why even have a coin toss? January 12, 2017, 06:17:02 Total plagiarism by Urinal......here is the source .... "Former Australian captain Steve Waugh says he is open to a radical push from Ricky Ponting and Michael Holding to get rid of the toss from Test cricket. Under Ponting’s proposal, the away side would choose who bats first in order to counteract any advantage the hosts could gain from preparing a favourable pitch. “I don’t mind that, I think that’s not such a bad thing,” Waugh told Melbourne radio station SEN. “At the end of the day I think there’s probably too much emphasis placed on the toss and the conditions away from home. “I don’t mind the authorities looking at some other options.” West Indies fast-bowling great Holding has twice backed Ponting’s idea in columns penned for Wisden India. Holding believes eliminating the toss will force home sides to prepare competitive surfaces." ........... Every idea Urinal presents as his own is in the Ponting/Holding proposal....shameful.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Mar 2017, 15:47
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16 Mar 2017, 15:47#9
Nope, I never heard Ponting's or anyone else's views on scrapping the coin toss until you and your Gimps all went ballistic. It was something I thought of by myself and I'll stick to that.

Oh and before you go all purple in the face again, I seriously couldn't give the tiniest toss if a self-important and childish old fool like you doesn't believe me.

Stick to what you do best, Moffie . . . be the secretary of the board and correct everyone else's spelling . . . even if you can't spell basic 4 and 5-letter words like "teeth" or "faze"!

LMAO!

PS Tell your Gimp to quote his sources.
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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
16 Mar 2017, 15:49
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16 Mar 2017, 15:49#10
Yeah Wardad. But guess Brumbies in terms of their players could survive a cut. They just merge with Melbourne. With a ACT-Melb cross team. Force could go too. But I think it's going to be Brumbies, Kings, and Sunwolves. Force and Rebels we'll survive. If not Sunwolves then I think Force are gone too. All Brumbies Force players go to Melbourne. Should be benificial for Aussie Rugby to have only three super sides in Waratahs, Reds, and Rebels. Who have backers and finances. Brumbies don't.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2017, 18:51
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16 Mar 2017, 18:51#11
The trouble with being a plagiarist Urinal is, by definition, it's hard to believe your denials......you made exactly the same points as Ponting. Here's your posting: 'Why even have a coin toss? January 04, 2017, 09:31:45 Why not do away with the coin toss before a cricket test match and just allow the visiting captain to decide? This not only does away with the luck variable, it cancels out some of the home ground advantage and - more importantly - encourages the groundsman to try prepare a pitch that doesn't favour the side batting first or fielding first.' ......pure plagiarism.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Mar 2017, 19:23
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16 Mar 2017, 19:23#12
Like I said, Moffie, I don't really care what you think so carry on bleating and telling everyone what a terrible plagiarist I am . . . just don't expect me to care. I stand by my comments which were original and independent.
As for what is hard to believe . . . well, all I can say is that is rich coming from a deceitful and low-class liar like you.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2017, 19:44
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16 Mar 2017, 19:44#13
'MacArthur's Park is melting in the dark All the sweet, green icing flowing down Someone left the cake out in the rain I don't think that I can take it 'Cause it took so long to bake it And I'll never have that recipe again Oh no!.....hahaha.
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