But we had to have him, and only an idiot doesn't think so, remember? Did the old eye-test let you down, or are you relying on the media to feed you your opinions? That would explain why you are always wrong and behind the curve.
No. Kwagga outplayed him. Kwagga outplayed a lot of the flubs.
If Wiese is too stupid how did Dud Allende play 50 tests?
It’s a fair question, I bet Wiese has Dud Allende by 15 IQ points.
I concur. Weise is willing in body, but not in mind. A one-trick pony without the tactical brain to understand the game at the international level.
The Boks were fortunate that the up and under he dropped did not go forward, as that led to the Kolbe try, and the Boks taking control of the game.
I don’t think you are stupid Dave…..just an emotional thinker. Your heart rules your brain.
Damian isn't just stupid, he lacks skill. The best 12 in the game and it's the World Cup final. Willie makes a break, the move is on to set Kolbe away, but no, Dud runs the wrong way and blows it.
Boks have a set play, all Dud had to do is take it to the line inside his man and slip a short ball to Am to bust the line and score a decisive try. Nope, flicks it up and behind Am's head.
The same player who twice turned his back on Kuridrani, and got run over by him on our try line to lose the game.
But don't worry, he's a power back. Aside from getting dumped on his backside and tractoring laterally and getting turned over.
Great players have great moments. I can reference dozens of moments for the great ones. All I have for Dud is a long catalogue of gaffs.
Interestingly, Dame Unteromlett used to defend Dud1 by exclamation that centre is not the position that it used to be and that it's hard to be dominant anymore. Apparently nobody is dominant at 12 in world rugby. A double minded man...
When all is said and done, noone can defend Dud1 or Dud2. They simply don't have it. No references, just a string of compliments without any tangibility.
Saf,
Wiese is dropped in st the deep end, mid-series, against the Lions and be cause he doesn't instantly impress you wanna get rid of him.
Give the guy some lengths before you yank him out the pool.
Anyway, I'm happy my other pick, van Staaden is getting his shot. Have rated him for a few years now.
The board seems rather quiet on him though. My guess is that he's either the best Bok ever or the worst player to ever play the game, as usual haha
Van Staaden had a couple of small chances...I'm not sold yet...I really hope he does...we urgently need backup in the back row...that and the halfbacks. 6,7,8,9,10 probably our only positions where the backups aren't clear/obvious.
We've got talent, but the replacements only get confirmed after playing in a test...I want to see how they go on the big stage...Dan Dup looks like a possible replacement for Duane, but that means, he'll have to start playing more.(for the Boks)
Diesel Dan should have been in the squad and never left it since about 3 years ago.
...but in SA we hate forwards with handling skills. "Offloading is for moffies," said the crowd in unison.
We envy the Kiwis for producing players with size and skill, and then produce players with both, in abundance, yet hardly give them a look-in.
Is it only me that can see Dan wearing an AB jumper, off-loading in tackles and setting their runners up for breaks. Duane is probably his superior over the ball but I can't see many other areas where Dan doesn't tick more boxes.
Saf,
What is your opinion on my DDA is the best IHP in the world?
I can't see it but there's every chance that this is because I don't know enough.
Honest question, what am I missing?
Busting tackles = Above average. Probably halfway between par and excellent.
Support runs = Average to poor
Incidental Rucks = Above average(Probably his best attribute and where I've seen him contribute the most towards match momentum. In many games these are often his only noteworthy contributions.)
Passing = Below average
Defence = Below average
Vision = Below what it should be considering his experience.
Try Assists = Below average
Busting tackles. Below average. Doesn't do anything well.
saf,
I'm asking because I'd like to know.
The journos don't go into great detail and dress things up to the point where it's difficult to see exactly what aspect of his play it is that they're admiring.
Common man, change my mind.
Plum, I'm not in the "best 12" in the game crowd. When he started out, he had this SBW offload, a step and a pass...since playing for the Boks, it all but vanished...I know Meyer didn't like his players doing offloads, but it didn't improve under Rassie either...I think he does what's expected of him by the coach and does it well...Rassie hasn't actually tried to identify a replacement for him...telling.
BTW, I'd like RJVR and Serf getting game time...and I'm actually a fan of Esterhuizen too.
People have been comparing Weise to Dean Greyling. No real though t processes on tactics.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/big-dean-greyling-energy-jasper-wiese-goes-out-of-control/
"There simply is no space anymore to see the likes of Danie Gerber stepping his way through a side or a BOD weaving his magic."
Actually, there is more "space" than ever. That comment is so ignorant that it discredits you outright.
"He gives the Boks forward momentum in the same way pods of forwards do in broken play. DA gets used to do this off structured set piece play.
His strength is also telling in defence where he is able to often drive an attacker back. He is as strong as any forward out there."
Absolute dribble. Damian gets dumped when challenging the big boys. I have been asking you for one reference of this big run for a couple of years now. He does two things: 1.Hunches forward and tries to barrel into contact for a lack of upper body strength, 2.Runs passively into the outside shoulder, leans heavily in and labours for a little bit of slow ground. Damian never gives the Boks momentum, he bleeds momentum. His running is lazy and thoughtless, bunching up his teammates when predictably drifting out wide. His passing telegraphed and aimless.
"When the opportunity presents itself you will see DA attack space and create for those outside him, but for the majority of the game it will be about creating forward momentum and setting up phases"
Really? Like the WC when he blew the Willie break? As statistics show, the more the Boks put the ball in his hands the easier they are to defend. The ball doesn't circulate around and we end up with predictable and slow phase play. That's why we kick so much, no momentum. Show me one series in the Lions tours where Damian have us momentum. The closest would be when one of those hacks up field bounced into his arms. Damian is a sham at 12.
Every word that escapes you is made up guff. Of every call you make, your calls at centre are the worst. You can't read play at a even the most basic level. Probably inferior to Lügnerin, as he offers a little more technical insight.
Saffex is totally correct about Allende. He is a center with great skills and a good rugby brain to boot. Many rugby folk and writers etc have commented very favourably on Allende. But two nutjobs here are trying to ram their daft comments down our throats day by day. They are highly peeved Allende won his 50th test cap. How many South African centers have achieved that.
Face facts here oaks the same people bashing Allende non stop are the clowns who insist Rassie is a hopeless coach and that world player of the year, PSDT, is hopeless. Now in all my long time on rugby websites I have never encountered more stupid comments. NEVER. Rooitwit trashed Schalk Burger and favoured Luke Watson when Schalk also won the World Player of the year. That was very dumb but the moronic comments by Mozzzz and the Org are actually far worse.
I don't think Wiese did badly on a very difficult debut against a strong Lions side. Its too early to say he will not make the grade. Those who watched him play overseas can tell us more about how smart a number 8 he is?
Sorry Mozzzzz and the Org no matter how much you negatively bleat on and on and on about Rassie, the Boks, PSDT, Alllende etc you will make no headway with Bok supporters and anybody understanding the game of rugby. You consistent bias against Rassie has destroyed your cred.
The superlative achievements of Rassie, the other Bok coaches and the players to date give you no grounds for your absurd conclusions. Best pipe down and learn from those who know! Those who have called it correctly.
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I have to agree, he is physical enough, but not sure why they didn't pick Dan, he is bigger has bit more of a brain and can catch and pass.
Wiese gave away way too many penalties, doesn't seem to be able to catch the ball properly and still thinks he is in the premiership where he can just run over weeker players.
Not many around when you get to tier 1 test matches.
Now that Steph is injured, maybe the kreatene twins would be an possible option as a back 3
6. Kolisi
7. Jean Luc Du Preeze
8. Dan Du Preeze.
I recall when the twins destroyed the WP pack, especially Sikanombe Nacho
Would like to see them do the same in the championships
Saffex, may i start a new thread titled:
"David is too stupid to spell test rubgy"?
6.Kwagga, 7.Mostert, 8.D du Preez.
That's the solution. Very versatile, powerful and skillful. A loose trio to dominate
Saf,
I see what you're saying. Particularly as regards the ever dimfinishing opportunities in mid-field.
To me, the solution there would be the opposite though. Instead of crashing into midfield I'd want a player that it's able to crash in, but also quick to spot openings and sharp in support.
I know he's a forward, and it's really a shame, but this would be my solution to the problem you've highlighted as giving rise to the value DDA offers.
What do you think?
Just out of interested...was Bakkies, Matfield, Frik Du Preez and Gerrie Germishuys too stupid to play test rugby???
and De Allende...I remember Pieter Muller once remarking how good a centre this man is, quite some time ago.
Somtyds j ulle ouens praat kak.
It's still early, but he showed he belongs at test level. Cutting out the errors shows he can learn. A lot of the other Boks like Steph and Damian never cut out the errors. He has good potential. I still like Dan, but have no problems with Wiese starting. He was thrown in the deep end, and has come out the other side okay. That's a real credit to him. He has character.
