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Wilkinson to become Sir Jonny!

Started by Beeno118 REPLIES281 VIEWS· 30 Dec 2014, 10:35
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Dec 2014, 10:35
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30 Dec 2014, 10:35#1

Ex Sport 24

Well I think he is far more deserving than those two oaks Sir John and Graham whom master Jake so throughly schooled!!


Cape Town - Former England flyhalf Jonny Wilkinson is set to ­receive a knighthood in the Queen’s New Year Honours,The Mirror reports.

The 35-year-old kicked England to World Cup glory in 2003 and ended a glittering 17-year career by winning the European club title with French club Toulon earlier this year.

The knighthood would be recognition for his efforts away from the rugby field as well, with Wilkinson heavily involved in charity work in Britain and France where he played for five years.

He played 91 Tests for England between 1998 and 2011, as well as six Tests for the British and Irish Lions between 2001 and 2005.


Well done Sir Jonny, try not to become a pompous prat like some English are prone to becoming! Hahahahahahahahahahaha

I do trust the queen has not so lost her marbles that we will ever be in danger of that would be pommie prat and failed rugby selector snaps ter becoming Sir Daaaaave! 

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ChippoPro3,372 posts
30 Dec 2014, 10:48
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30 Dec 2014, 10:48#2
 Ya
No argument here.
Richie and Dan prob also deserve the honour... Richie even more so than anyone else!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Dec 2014, 10:52
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30 Dec 2014, 10:52#3
 Its not April fools Chipped ou so no joking about the way over hyped and illegal player mcaaaaw.
I like the sound of Sir Jean. Now there is a gentleman and role model for you. Sir Bryan would also be a consideration.  Even Sir Bakkies - what a great lock.However the queen is poorly advised.



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becsPro4,378 posts
30 Dec 2014, 12:24
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30 Dec 2014, 12:24#4
As I have already told you all...only those in Britain and who are British can actually get a Knighthood. Anything else is purely an Honorary Title and worth as much as making your own from a Cornflake packet ! It also amuses one that countries constantly slagging off this one and its archaic ways are the ones wanting Titles bestowed upon their countrymen. Do you fail to see the irony ? No ? Thought not ! 

As for Jonny, it is old news, Beeno. If he is awarded one, so what really ? Nice for him, if you like that sort of thing. 
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
30 Dec 2014, 14:07
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30 Dec 2014, 14:07#5
@becs...
Sir Richard Hadlee?

I think you are talling mostly nonsense...

A knight is a person granted an honorary title of knighthood by a monarch or other political leader for service to the Monarch or country, especially in a military capacity. Historically, in Europe, knighthood has been conferred upon mounted warriors. During the High Middle Ages, knighthood was considered a class of lower nobility. By the Late Middle Ages, the rank had become associated with the ideals of chivalry, a code of conduct for the perfect courtly Christian warrior. Often, a knight was a vassal who served as a fighter for a lord, with payment in the form of land holdings. The lords trusted the knights, who were skilled in battle on horseback. Since the early modern period, the title of knight is purely honorific, usually bestowed by a monarch, as in the British honours system, often for non-military service to the country.

wikipedia
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becsPro4,378 posts
30 Dec 2014, 14:16
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30 Dec 2014, 14:16#6
 Gosh, thank you for quoting Wikipedia at me....by the way, it can't even spell it's name correctly ! Shall we discuss the Chivalric Code/Courtly Love etc etc ? 
Sir Richard Hadlee was given a Honorary Title, given he is not British. Much like Sir Terry Wogan, who is Irish. It means little and is just given to pacify folk occasionally, you know, those from different territories or those from the Commonwealth....to keep them on side. It's good PR....and I can see from your response that it clearly works....so well done the Royals ! Keep the accolades coming ! 
You see they were always given to those who gave money or land or performed in battle or even did some dastardly deed to rid the Monarch/Pretender to the Throne of a rival. We could go a little further in depth with this subject, but I really don't have the time nor the inclination ! 
So please do not try and teach me my own History.....someone who actually trained in the subject for a living. It really isn't a good idea. 
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Dec 2014, 15:24
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30 Dec 2014, 15:24#7
 
Silly if you ask me.

Surely you guys have a Sportsmans Hall Of Fame ... or something similar.

Seems everyone's being knighted these days.
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becsPro4,378 posts
30 Dec 2014, 17:45
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30 Dec 2014, 17:45#8
 Yes, we do gave a Rugby Hall of Fame.

This is presumably for his roles in Rugby and his Charity work though.That is usually the clincher. 
Believe me, he is far more deserving than most that get them these days....that may surprise you ! 
Then again, as he is half South African, you can claim a slight victory on the Knighthood front  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Dec 2014, 18:01
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30 Dec 2014, 18:01#9
 Like Roger Federer then. If yousee class look to see if the guy is South African at all. 
We have an oak dwon here in the cape Sir David graff a baronet.
I feel sure I must have noble roots and ought to check it out some time.
However I have never bothered as once one has been adopted into the family of God being an earthly king is a huge come down.
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becsPro4,378 posts
30 Dec 2014, 18:12
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30 Dec 2014, 18:12#10
 Actually, Beeno, it's usually the overwhelming confidence/arrogance that gives the game away...but there you have it !!  

As far as I am concerned, I try to avoid you all like the plague....it usually ends very badly for me indeed where your menfolk are concerned....ha ha ha ! Let's just leave it at that ! 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Dec 2014, 18:21
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30 Dec 2014, 18:21#11
 Nonsense Becs I can see you love a bit of debate and banter and that you keep master Dave on a tight leash.Great to have you around for sure!
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becsPro4,378 posts
30 Dec 2014, 18:28
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30 Dec 2014, 18:28#12
Oh I can't control Saffex ! He is untameable, trust me....I wouldn't dare try  
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becsPro4,378 posts
31 Dec 2014, 13:57
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31 Dec 2014, 13:57#13
It seems this was not a true story and he will not be Sir Jonny after all....I believe he had even Tweeted his thanks, so that is a bit awkward !  
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
31 Dec 2014, 17:01
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31 Dec 2014, 17:01#14
Hail Sir Jonny...one of my favourites ever...an absolutely brilliant player with a great long career , Becs...he might still be young in my book but he is indeed a true, really old fashioned Englishman...a great and pleasant man that's done England and rugby well.

Well Becs if this is just one of these hyped up lying rumours it's a bad joke of no taste...he certainly deserves it and has accredited himself far more than Elton John, Paul Mc Cartney and others did for England.

Bad rumours= bad taste...not cricket or true blue blood English in my book

It must be true as I cannot see where it could possibly come from...certainly not England...and certainly not from himself.
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becsPro4,378 posts
31 Dec 2014, 18:36
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31 Dec 2014, 18:36#15
 It appears it was false, Seb.
A lot of the List has been leaked, his name was on the List too and papers have even written their articles about him...Arise Sir Jonny and all that.He Tweeted yesterday about how he was less deserving than so many etc. But it appears he may well have been duped too ! He should have known as one is approached a while in advance and asked if one wishes to accept or decline. If he hasn't been, then that should be a clue !! 
I have met him and he is a nice chap. It was shortly after the WC win and I felt so sorry for the boy ! The fuss over him was ridiculous. Funny story but my brothers then fiancée was madly in love with him so I took her with me to her very first Rugby match. She loved it, is a lifelong Football girl, and, afterwards, we met Jonny Wilkinson. Can you believe that she chucked her engagement ring at me, before she was introduced, as she put it " just in case " ???!!!!  She had the best time and, unfortunately, he didn't propose to her....nor did her marriage to my brother work out  But, all I can say is I helped her achieve a goal in life and he was as she expected. Really nice...so was his brother ! 
I have to say that he was a very good player but he really was not the best by a long shot. He had to be told what to do so much by so many players around him and that really stood out for me. The team was just that....a team. It is unfortunate it became so much about him. His work ethic bordered on the obsessive....he truly is a perfectionist and he is incredibly brave. I do have a massive amount of respect and admiration for him. He is also polite to a fault and I do not  know how he coped with the ridiculous amount of attention and Hero worship he was getting all the time. It was ridiculous. I just felt so sorry for him. 
He does have an MBE...I think ? I'm sure he'll get something else one day, if he hadn't got that this year ! 
Some of the women who won the RWC have been awarded something....so that is nice, for a change ! 
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
31 Dec 2014, 21:44
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31 Dec 2014, 21:44#16
Nice and interesting post Becs, well I've always rated him...strange, we all differ...Saffex doesn't regard Ritchie Mc Caw as a great...must have different glasses...anyway Jonny by your description has great qualities of note, especially his humility which is fairly rare in Poms today...
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Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
01 Jan 2015, 02:19
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01 Jan 2015, 02:19#17
 If JW does not get Knighted then I cannot think of any Pom sportsman that should get that honour bestowed on them......present or past.
An excellent example of a sportsman and a gentlemen in my opinion.
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Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
01 Jan 2015, 02:23
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01 Jan 2015, 02:23#18
 Beeno the two All Blacks who got Knighted received their knighthoods from the Prime Minister of New Zealand.
Not sure if that carries the same honour and respect as the English version.
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becsPro4,378 posts
01 Jan 2015, 03:57
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01 Jan 2015, 03:57#19
 He is not going to be Knighted, Arthur John. It was a false story and one even his representatives seem to have fallen for. All a tad embarrassing really.....
As for the NZ Knighthoods....I have explained this so many times.No, they are Honorary Titles. They are not real Knighthoods; they can only be bestowed by a Monarch to someone British. Anything else is just a token and these were not even awarded by a member of Royalty. So they are completely void, really. A Knighthood in name only. As I said, they mean as much as something made from a Cornflake packet ! You might as well call yourself Sir Arthur John...it means as much !  
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