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Willemse is K@k

Started by kingcorn22 REPLIES1,244 VIEWS· 15 Aug 2021, 20:34
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KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
15 Aug 2021, 20:34
#1
15 Aug 2021, 20:34#1

I just want to get this off my chest. 


I rewatched the bargy match again just to see what the players were actually doing. Willem se made several poor decisions in the first 20 min. The final witch ended up in a penalty. 


I have no idea what the coaches see in him. He has done nothing in the last 24 months for either his province or country. 


I was pulling my hair out watching him run aimlessly, takes a jump in the air and then try to step the players. He is playing for himself and looks like he thinks he is playing age group. 


As a 15 knocking the ball on from a catch with no pressure is criminal. 

Being out of position when the Ball is kicked then throwing the ball in when the receiving player is under pressure.


He could of costs the match. 


Not even being able to take contact and ensure he doesn't get turned over. 


Absolutely shambolic. 


We need to send him packing and let him find his path. 


We have enough decent specialist players around. We dont need him. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,232 posts
15 Aug 2021, 20:46
#2
15 Aug 2021, 20:46#2
Willemse must have been the worst performance of any player in the match. 
His clearance kick where he gained about 10 metres was pathetic. He was under no pressure, Any of us could have kicked it further in that exact same situation.  
His best games have been at inside centre where he has less decision-making responsibility. 
He is terrible as a flyhalf, poor at fullback and average at inside centre. 

A deer in the headlights on a good day, and a headless chicken on bad days. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2021, 21:01
#3
15 Aug 2021, 21:01#3
I rate him big time - one of those players who can create something from nothing and has muscled up nicely He had a shit game yesterday - does that define him, no it does not
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Aug 2021, 21:11
#4
15 Aug 2021, 21:11#4

His games at 12 have been Damian-esque. He does less damage at 15, it's just easier to see for some when he is the only player in acres of space. I wonder if he learned the hop from Damian. When Dud1 has an itch for attacking rugby, he hops before contact. Willemse's first run was a turnover. Thought he'd show the plucky Argies how to really do it. 

Bosch is #2 at 15. But who are we to critique the analytics of Josè 'N Krutch? 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2021, 21:11
#5
15 Aug 2021, 21:11#5

Odd when I pointed our very similar deficiencies two years back when he lost the AB test by being hopelessly out of position, posters rushed to his defence.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
16 Aug 2021, 08:13
#6
16 Aug 2021, 08:13#6

When did have a good game?

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Aug 2021, 10:44
#7
16 Aug 2021, 10:44#7
He was good when he came on and played 12 recently off the bench The lad is a talent and I can see why Rassie and co are investing in him as a utility player. He is a far better option than old man Frans Steyn who is long past it But like Frans, his utility value is doing him no favours as a player
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
16 Aug 2021, 16:48
#8
16 Aug 2021, 16:48#8

Frans was comprehensively better than Willemse at 12, and will better him in every backline position. Frans outclassed Damian too. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Aug 2021, 21:29
#9
16 Aug 2021, 21:29#9
Omelette shut up you ignorant dunce Frans has been utterly useless so much so that he has lost his place in the Bomb squad The guy is old, slow and lacks agility He was past it 4 years ago de Allende, Serfontein, Esterhuizen, JVR, Vorster, Willemse, Odendaal, Marius Louw, Dan du Plessis and Rickus Pretorious are all better options than Frans at 12 and I mean that sincerely Centre is a young man’s game, where agility and zip are paramount It does not help that Frans is both old and a big unit - the guy is sooooo pedestrian these days His demotion from the Bomb squad is Rassie’s way of weening him out the squad He is done - another Os, Percy, Matfield who has overstayed his welcome
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
16 Aug 2021, 21:48
#10
16 Aug 2021, 21:48#10

Frans has put up the only quality showing at 12 this season, and it was refreshing to see what a 12 can really do. We haven't really seen that since the Esterhuizen test against Australia. Dominance. 

There we go, your Santa's list of names. His demotion from the bomb squad is his José's way of weening him out of the squad, yet he started on Saturday you doink. You really are a dummkopf! 


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Aug 2021, 22:19
#11
16 Aug 2021, 22:19#11
Which quality showing was that exactly?
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
16 Aug 2021, 22:47
#12
16 Aug 2021, 22:47#12

Frans doesn't go sideways in contact, throw off-target balls from one foot away, get dumped on his backside or lose the ball in contact, or present the ball poorly in contact and the breakdown. Damian's Lions series was a horror show of mediocrity. What did he do right? The few attacking chances we had, and he blew each and every one he was involved in. Even the most simple of tasks, he fails in. Cannot be trusted to do anything right. Even with Damian's one and only strength, looking for the odd pilfer, Frans absolutely outclassed him. Frans smashed the ruck with force, read play at the breakdown better, and was positionally sound everywhere he went. He thinks, doesn't just react. I know you like bi g dumb and preferably fat players. The less skill the better. Nothing you like more than an ape championing your cause. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Aug 2021, 23:44
#13
16 Aug 2021, 23:44#13
Stop lying you prick one would swear that lying about DA going sideways carries some weight Now talk us through what Frans did exactly that was of any credibility last Saturday apart from a long clearance kick?
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Aug 2021, 10:43
#14
17 Aug 2021, 10:43#14

Frans burst through the line, Frans was so positionally sound that just his movement in the line had an influence on the Puma runners. His anticipation for attacking the breakdown was superb, and he can pass. Imagine that, a 12 with skills. Damian the dud chooses the outer shoulder and uses his leg drive. He doesn't have force going into contact. If he can't get a leg drive going, he gets dumped. In the third Lions test, Damian was going sideways in contact and got dumped. He would've gone sideways in one of his earliest runs before he got turned over. These are facts Unteromlett. You have never been very good with analytics, and when the video comes out, you are always proven wrong. That you do not learn from the experience tells me that you are probably less intelligent than the self-proclaimed clever Mike. 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
17 Aug 2021, 12:06
#15
17 Aug 2021, 12:06#15

I'm still not  convince on Willemse and so are a lot of other journalist. 

Rassie has a system which means it allows any similar player to slot in.  I'm not against it, but I just don't know what Willemse bring. If  it wasn't for our defence on Saturday it could have been a whole lot worse

I would like to see Willemse  proof himself and would almost do the same what we did with Kolbe. 

We all knew Kolbe was talented, but we questioned his size and his decision making at time, not to mention his defence. 

He did well for the stormers, but only once he left and start playing in  a proper professional team is when he got recognition. 

He wasn't even our first choice and had to make his way into the squad. 

Willemse needs to be dropped and he needs to go figure out what his game is about and what he can bring to a team. 

To me he is just a selfish player with no vision

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Aug 2021, 12:22
#16
17 Aug 2021, 12:22#16

I think our defence was actually exposed. We carry a glass jaw. Los Pumas really hurt themselves, gifting us a sizeable lead without really doing anything. More accuracy, and we'd have really been under the cosh. Willemse's first contribution ball in hand was a turnover. Another who has bought into his own hype without actually being good in the first place. The red flag is the early coronation. Those players pretty much never make it. The Boks are littered with them. Not every team is going to be tactically naive or having an off day. 

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
17 Aug 2021, 14:43
#17
17 Aug 2021, 14:43#17

South Africans do love their hotsteppers. Can't kick, can't pass, no probs. Just step your way through a few second rate Currie Cup defences and you're the next best thing.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
17 Aug 2021, 15:30
#18
17 Aug 2021, 15:30#18

Have to agree with you Pakie, although, Willemse is a decent kicker, can actually pass. Don't get me wrong. He is very talented, but hasn't developed the maturity for senior Rugby, 23, time is ticking

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
17 Aug 2021, 19:02
#19
17 Aug 2021, 19:02#19

Ja fair enough KC, the kick and pass was sort of a general remark to indicate lack of other essential skills and execution. I could probably have done a little better if I wasn't so lazy

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Aug 2021, 00:31
#20
18 Aug 2021, 00:31#20
Willemse is actually another Frans Steyn, super talented but given the utility value, finds himself in a different position each week. Handy at all the positions but a master of none. Like Frans he is not a 10, is not measured enough and can’t control a game from that position. Like Frans he will pass as a fullback Like Frans his best position is probably 12 Different players in that Frans is physical, Willemse more illusive
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Aug 2021, 07:50
#21
18 Aug 2021, 07:50#21

Willemse is over eager to create something everytime he gets the ball...he is forcing it and that leads to errors. He should just relax and be patient...his chance will come, but this isn't schoolboy rugby anymore...chances are way fewer.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Aug 2021, 09:57
#22
18 Aug 2021, 09:57#22
Good call Draad
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
18 Aug 2021, 13:24
#23
18 Aug 2021, 13:24#23

Willemse: Useful in zero positions, so we don't know where to put him. More like Lambie at one point, certainly no Frans. Isn't fit to wipe his snot. 

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