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World Rugby Team of the Year

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Dec 2021, 21:20
#1
08 Dec 2021, 21:20#1

As selected by Rugby Pass:


World Rugby Men’s 15s Dream Team of the Year
1. Wyn Jones (Wales)
2. Malcolm Marx (South Africa)
3. Tadhg Furlong (Ireland)
4. Maro Itoje (England)
5. Eben Etzebeth (South Africa)
6. Siya Kolisi (South Africa)
7. Michael Hooper (Australia)
8. Ardie Savea (New Zealand)
9. Antoine Dupont (France)
10. Beauden Barrett (New Zealand)
11. Makazole Mapimpi (South Africa)
12. Samu Kerevi (Australia)
13. Lukhanyo Am (South Africa)
14. Will Jordan (New Zealand)
15. Stuart Hogg (Scotland)


Can’t say I agree with all of it:


Jordie Barrett  for Hogg


Kolbe for Jordan


Kolisi is a political choice….so maybe Boris Johnson imitating Schalk Burger.

Kitshoff for WYN Jones



SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Dec 2021, 22:00
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08 Dec 2021, 22:00#2
No ways does Itoje deserve to be there Kolisi has had an outstanding year Politics plays no part in rugby selections outside of SA Kolbe played no rugby this year so he can’t be considered
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Dec 2021, 22:35
#3
08 Dec 2021, 22:35#3

Kolbe scored the crucial try in the Lions’ series….I’d pick Cheslin to score any try Jordan would score and a bunch he wouldn’t.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
08 Dec 2021, 22:49
#4
08 Dec 2021, 22:49#4
TAgh lost the scrum battle in the lion series, don’t understand that choice. Kolbe is also my pick above Jordan. Maro is good, but there is better in form locks them him. I would like to see Tomas “ Ole” lavanini next to Eben. Both storm troopers. Yes and kitzie for Jones.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Dec 2021, 23:10
#5
08 Dec 2021, 23:10#5
Kolbe over any wing but unfortunately he spent most of the year injured
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Dec 2021, 23:15
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08 Dec 2021, 23:15#6
I’d have Lood, AWJ, Retallick, Willemse, Whitelock and Henderson over Itoje
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Dec 2021, 23:53
#7
08 Dec 2021, 23:53#7

Nope Itoje is way better than Lomp. Retallik and Whitelock had poor seasons. Willemse is excessively clumsy….great physical potential with a Wiese brain. Henderson maybe.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Dec 2021, 00:02
#8
09 Dec 2021, 00:02#8
Disagree give me Lood over the over hyped Itoje anyday I see nothing from Itoje other than nuisance value - adds no physical clout The most hyped player in the game, closely followed by Farrell Nothing clumsy about Willemse
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
09 Dec 2021, 00:36
#9
09 Dec 2021, 00:36#9
Willemse is a big dude but not Mobile enough. Lood is a better lineout jumper than Itoje. Itoje gets more turnovers and is more mobile. Being so massively big and slow, has definite draw backs.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Dec 2021, 00:40
#10
09 Dec 2021, 00:40#10
Itoje is no more mobile than Lood Lood is more physical than Itoje
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
09 Dec 2021, 00:42
#11
09 Dec 2021, 00:42#11
Bye the way Where is Augenoffner?
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
09 Dec 2021, 00:44
#12
09 Dec 2021, 00:44#12

Curry over Kolisi.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Dec 2021, 06:52
#13
09 Dec 2021, 06:52#13

"Bye the way Where is Augenoffner?"


Indeed...

SE
SebPro2,680 posts
09 Dec 2021, 11:16
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09 Dec 2021, 11:16#14

M Power..."I would like to see Tomas “ Ole” lavanini next to Eben. Both storm troopers."

So would I but unfortunately he cannot control his immature aggression and uses it to the detriment of his team and is destroying his career. He has so much but when you cannot harness your control over your emotions you lose everything. Maybe the penny will eventually drop and he will grow up and become a great player. He is very physically strong and is a good player.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
09 Dec 2021, 15:07
#15
09 Dec 2021, 15:07#15
I agree, if he can get the anger monkey of his back he will flourish as a Rugby player.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Dec 2021, 17:55
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09 Dec 2021, 17:55#16
It’s reassuring  to see that the selectors never bought the Dud hype and recognized Kerevi’s dominance over Dud Allende. That midfield dominance was probably the biggest factor in Oz’s victory over the Boks.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Dec 2021, 20:32
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09 Dec 2021, 20:32#17

And on reflection I would pick Duhan van der Merwe over Mapimpi at left wing. The same argument I made for Kolbe. Duhan would never have been stopped on those Mapimpi overlap tries…but he did so much more for the Lions taking high balls and busting through traffic.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Dec 2021, 22:22
#18
09 Dec 2021, 22:22#18

Mapimpi is the best finisher in the gam...hands down. DvdM is good, but MM is way better...a fit Kolby rules the 14 roost too....and DsA makes it as top 12 in most other world 15's teams. Bokke is at a good place ATM...World no1...and it shows...clearly...

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2021, 00:19
#19
10 Dec 2021, 00:19#19
Kerevi never dominated DA and that’s a fact Kerevi was good during the RC but DA was good against the Lions and by the end of the EOYT he had firmly established himself as the best 12 in the game again Kerevi edged him mid year but that’s it Right now DA is the best 12 in the game
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2021, 00:32
#20
10 Dec 2021, 00:32#20
I see Wales have selected de Allende as their 12 in their world 15, they also include Kitshoff, Kolbe and Mbonambi
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2021, 00:47
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10 Dec 2021, 00:47#21

Well the Wallies aren’t very bright….they can’t see all Dud’s errors like giving the Poms the test.

Best finisher in the game….geez Draad you really swallow all these lines. Mapimpi has no step, he is not particularly powerful…he is fast but that’s about it. Duhan may be a step or two slower….but he does have a sidestep and can smash through a goal line defence. 

And Mapimpi is a serial defensive liability 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2021, 01:02
#22
10 Dec 2021, 01:02#22
What bullshit - DA giving England the test - what utter hogwash DA was by far the best centre on the field in all 3 of the EOYT Fact
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2021, 02:36
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10 Dec 2021, 02:36#23

Dave nobody could say you haven’t put up a vigorous defence of Dud Allende, you are loyalty personified. But no,  he was the barn door that lost the test….if Dud wasn’t supposed to tackle Marchant, who the hell was?

 Kerevi showed us what a centre is supposed to do, take gaps and feed his outside backs.,,..not just ferret around playing the fetcher and crash ball  like a blindside flanker.

If anybody personifies the dull toothless rugby we have played this year it’s Dud Allende, no centre in test rugby has had more ball and fewer attacking contributions.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Dec 2021, 11:31
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10 Dec 2021, 11:31#24

It's lts clear ou Mozzzzz hasn't taken his meds today. Same old drivel about Allende. He can't help himself. 

Allende had a great season.

Where is the Org. Well the Org took a pounding this year due to a his many absurd posts that showed he doesn't understand the game.

Hope he does some serious reflecting on all the comments posted to put the oak on the right track. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Dec 2021, 12:25
#25
10 Dec 2021, 12:25#25

"Where is the Org. Well the Org took a pounding this year due to a his many absurd posts that showed he doesn't understand the game."

He's still around.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2021, 12:34
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10 Dec 2021, 12:34#26
We have been over the DA and Jantjies misunderstanding to death and to blame DA is insulting given the circumstances. The only reason you are fingering DA is because you ignorantly can’t stand him The same player who is so shit he makes the team of the year side The selection of these players like DA and PSDT for world sides and players of the year is really embarrassing for you - but of course you are right and the rugby world is wrong If only you realised that this very equation makes you look so rugby stupid but you don’t
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2021, 23:05
#27
10 Dec 2021, 23:05#27

Jantjies tackled the man he was supposed to tackle….if there was a misunderstanding it was all Dud…..lost us the test. A dull plodder. As for Dud token selection Toit, is he still injured after the wing got hold of him?

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Dec 2021, 23:43
#28
11 Dec 2021, 23:43#28
Bullshit that sounds like the analysis of a 5 year old DA was outstanding this year so much so I have him displacing Jean as our best Bok 12 ever
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2021, 01:29
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12 Dec 2021, 01:29#29

Waaaaaaahahaha….Dud replacing Jean. You can’t be serious. But he’s in good company Stepfontein, Wynand Olivier and JJ Englebrecht were also better than Jean in your books.

But I ask you for one name…if Dud wasn’t supposed to tackle Marchant, who was? None of your bullshit, just a name please.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Dec 2021, 01:57
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12 Dec 2021, 01:57#30
Nope you are lying I never said any of those were better than Jean And yes I am 100% serious in saying DA replaces Jean as my best Bok 12 of all time Jean was great but DA is better. Jean was more astute, DA is more effective and invaluable to the side Summed up perfectly by the very astute Greenwood saying you stop DA you stop the Boks - he is invaluable
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2021, 02:37
#31
12 Dec 2021, 02:37#31

They always stop Dud Allende….has any Bok 12 in history beat less tackles per carry.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2021, 02:49
#32
12 Dec 2021, 02:49#32

Remember this one Dave :


JJ will go down as a better Bok 13 than Joubert, Mulder, Snyman and Fourie.......mark my words......you just cant beat the speed and step he offers as perfect attributes for an outside centre.
I cant wait for the day we see Goosen, Serfontein and JJ running the show.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2021, 03:09
#33
12 Dec 2021, 03:09#33

And this one Dave:

Saffex

Hall Of Fame

21317 posts

Jun 23, 2014, 14:28

He is far better than Jean was aged 21........is able to beat his man on the inside and outside and is bloody powerful.......Jean was good but Jan is better 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2021, 03:11
#34
12 Dec 2021, 03:11#34

You see I never lie Dave, surely you know that by now. So when I say you said something, you said something…being honest just makes life so uncomplicated.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Dec 2021, 22:58
#35
13 Dec 2021, 22:58#35
You are lying Moz you said I said JJ was better than Jean - I never did. I stand by what I said about JJ in that year he made Conrad Smith look like a school boy. He looked very promising but I at least then had the balls to admit he failed later lacking the hard edge I said Serfontein looked better than Jean did as a youngster which is true - Serfontein won U20 world player of the year. Serfontein is easily as good as Jean and has leaving for France as a youngster to blame for not establishing himself as a great Bok 12. He is a fantastic player - so again you lied Biggest lie of all was saying I rated Olivier over Jean. I was a huge fan of Olivier, he was a class act but only as Jean’s understudy You lied on every front - I know what I say about players - I know my players and where they rank in my mind Jean used to be my best Bok 12 of all time but DA has eclipsed him
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
13 Dec 2021, 23:29
#36
13 Dec 2021, 23:29#36
I am sorry to say, but DA must do much more to eclipse Jean. Jdv attacked the gain line more, created more try scoring opportunities and the “ Intercept King”come on...yes his defence was sometimes not up to standard, but still a bit better then DA.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Dec 2021, 23:40
#37
13 Dec 2021, 23:40#37
Mpower you know fuck all about the game
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
14 Dec 2021, 01:10
#38
14 Dec 2021, 01:10#38
Is that all you got?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Dec 2021, 03:05
#39
14 Dec 2021, 03:05#39

Okay I found an old reference where you put Olivier behind JdV. I think if we could go further back into the 2009 time frame I might be vindicated. But let’s chalk that up as my mistake. But as per the above references you preferred Serfontein to JdV and JJ to Fury. It’s there in black and white……in retrospect, huge blunders.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Dec 2021, 20:25
#40
14 Dec 2021, 20:25#40
So in fact what you are saying is that you are lying? I never said JJ was better than Jean - all I said was that he would go down as better than Joubert and co not that he was better and then I conceded I was wrong I never said Serfontein was better than Jean - that’s another lie. I said aged 21 Serfontein was better than Jean as a 21 and that’s a fact which I stand by. But even you are not stupid enough to conclude that a players career is defined at the age of 21. Unfortunately Serfontein chose France so we will never know who would have turned out better Jean or Serfontein. My money would have been Serfontein as he has a better skill set And then finally the lie of Olivier over Jean - complete bullshit I’ve said all along that Jean was my best Bok 12 of all time but has now been surpassed by DA
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