It’s not ESPN’s statisticians.
Dave
I saw both - but I also saw the spilled ball at minute 41, And Mozart keep praising the guy,
The other funny part is that there were 4 c onverted scrum panelties two against Marko Vunipola and two against Dan Cole. So Beast save SA by forcing Cole in conceding two penalties, Really he is all screwed up,
I give all players credit for the WC win - end of story.
Nonsense at minute 29.51 Tuilagi darts into the space between Mostert and Marx it’s either player’s tackle. Mostert brings Tuilagi to ground from behind even though Marx is clumsily piling into Mostert and falls on top of him, breaking Mostert’s hold, but Tuilagi is on the deck. No missed tackle.
At minute 30.58 Pollard and Mostert who is slightly behind form the defensive line. Pollard is in position to tackle Ford who throws a dummy and steps inside. Mostert is out of position but adjusts. He ankle taps Ford who is going down as he crashes into the Beast unable to offload to Lawes. No missed tackle.
But at minute 29.26 you can see Dud trying to tackle Vunipola who bounces him and offloads to Underhill. That was a missed tackle and he was breaking Dud’s tackle again at 30.02 but Malherbe stopped him.
Dave as I expected ESPN is spot on and you sadly are clueless.
It happened exactly as I described and as ESPN recorded it. You are full of it.
As for the lineout ball Mostert supposedly lost at minute 41......it was England’s throw in Wanker you moron. Pollard put the ball in touch from a mark,
Other than his contesting of that lineout, Mostert wasn’t close to the ball for the first 3 minutes of the half.
Is that all you fools have got?
Nope...it’s EXACTLY as I described it and ESPN recorded it. Two difficult tackles from behind and in both cases the tackled player hit the deck. That constitutes a successful rugby tackle as defined by the rules of rugby:
A tackle can take place anywhere in the field of play. ... For a tackle to occur, the ball-carrier is held and brought to ground by one or more opponents. Being brought to ground means that the ball-carrier is lying, sitting or has at least one knee on the ground or on another player who is on the ground.
Both Vunipola and Ford were brought to ground from behind by Mostert.....both difficult tackles where he did better than his fellow defenders.
Mozart
I agree with Dave - a tackle is when a player or players bring a player to ground in a tackle. If a player loses hold of a player in the process and the player still go forward it s a missed tackle and any other player involved is credited with the tackle, Dave is correct both times as to missed tackles.
Mostert is not the best defender around - never was. He was tried at 7 by the Lions on request of Erasmus and failed because of inadequate defense. He missed a tackle that led to the one AB try in the WC. He had other misses as well - so the tackle deficiency and his shortcomings in lineouts against physically stronger locks resulted in his usage from the bench after the AB test and that is where he remained for the rest of the series.
Dave
I do not think Mostert will be selected again - there are too many good locks in SA and I think Erasmus is particularly interested in Schickerling, while there are other youngsters coming through as well.
I do not think Mozart knows what he is talking about. Whenever you and I mentioned a player he has to denigrate that player and find another which he try to praise all out. That ahs been the case with Du Toit and De Allende for years.
In another thread he went for Erasmus totally based on BS and in fact supported Meyer and Coetzee, That is typical Mozart.
Except Moffie would go one step further and claim the player not only missed the tackle but got "run over" as well.
And then there is the peculiar issue of the 2015 RWC semi final between SA and NZ where we lost by two points.
Was the loss because of the three points lost due to Matfield’s penalty, or was it due to the seven points lost due to Lood’s sloppy defence early in the game?
This is hilarious. He attacks Mostert concerning supposed missed tackles, yet defended VIDEO EVIDENCE of a missed tackle exposing Lood, he with the tackle radius of a bottle cap at the speed of a snail on diazep am. ESPN didn't pick it up, and that was the poor dear's only and rather weak defence.
He also rejected the VIDEO EVIDENCE of Steph missing most of his defensive engagements in the Wellington win (a common occurrence in all but a few tests).
You want some "FACTS", here are some facts:
Would be interesting to see which SA locks over the last decade have the best win percentage at SR and Test levels.
Totally betting on memory but my money is on Mostert.
More proof.....look at Bongi’s tackle on Lawes when he got injured at 20.03 which was exactly the same thing. Fully brought to ground but not held. Here are Bongi’s stats with no missed tackles.....the rule is uniformly applied and is consistent with Rugby Law.
“ Mostert at best a handy provincial player who should only ever have played blindside thanks to his laziness off the field “
Which begs the question: “If Rassie was such a brilliant coach, then why did he drag such a low level plodder to an elite top level tournament like the RWC?”.
The only reason could have been that he saw something that all the wannabe experts missed. Even after he won the RWC.
That goal line stand was epic.....unbelievable really. Having Vunipola with at least 4 charges at the line from inside the 5 and stopping him each time was truly heroic. It will be part of our rugby lore 100 years from now.
"That goal line stand was epic.....unbelievable really. Having Vunipola with at least 4 charges at the line from inside the 5 and stopping him each time was truly heroic. It will be part of our rugby lore 100 years from now."
Stuff of legend...carefully cultivated and crafted in under 2 years...remarkable...
For me it was something more than previous RWC wins...not just our's...all of them. 95 was special in another way...2019 was more "guts and glory" to me.
Splattered by Jerome Kaino in 2015, splattered by Vunipola in 2019.....Lomp is a lock that keeps getting run over by loosies in big games. The only Mostert mistake is you not getting the definition of a tackle.....he brought the opponents down....Dud allowed them to offload and Lomp got run over by them.
Nope he takes down Tuilagi from behind at which point Marx falls on top of him, making it difficult for him to keep his hold....great tackle actually. Likewise Ford sidesteps Pollard, Mostert has to react instantly from behind and gets Ford going to the turf...he crashes into the Beast’s knees. Two great reaction tackles..
Your problem Dave is you have always equated size with quality, and thus totally miss the skill element.
But make my day, show me the fools who selected Lomp for the Team of the WC.
Mozart always pretends he knows better than everybody else what happened in team selection and that really is laughable, He moaned about the missed tackle of Kaino in the semi in 2015 - the one problem is that De Jager has had no rest games in the WC because Meyer's selections were farcical,
Players like Matfield, Steyn, Alberts and De Villiers should never have been in the squad and there were 4 other unusable passengers as well. No successful team ever goes through the WC with only 23 playable players and 8 passengers in the side, which caused problems for both the team performances and player performances, To blame individual players for the hopeless coaching disaster Meyer was in squad selection is really laughable,
In the famous semi-final in 2015 the players were tired and the fact is that the game plan used during the WC was a farce, In the semi there was NO case where the Springboks threatened to score a try, it was a total disaster,
Now back to the 2019 WC - with key player like Du Toit, De Jager and De Allende being key players that contributed massively to the Springbok victories in games, Their comments showed no knowledge of rugby coupled to total prejudice,
Nope I don’t think I know better than everybody else, but I’m willing to go with ESPN over you and Dave without hesitation. As for Lomp needing a game off to tackle Kaino....that has to be the most feeble excuse ever.
Does any retired fellow care to investigate which has been SA's most successful lock via win percentage over the last decade..?
Other times you do NOT go with ESPN Stats or go with selected portions of stats, or worse still you manufacture your own stats and then claim they are correct, Again you lie about the situation, In that test De Jager made 14 tackles and missed 2, The report on the try of Kaino reads as follows:-
"Wow, first try of the game! Boks have been rattled back and Kaino has notched the first five points down the right flank. The All Blacks have eventually managed to stretch the Boks line and some nice handling from Kaino keeps the ball in play and Lood de Jager's last ditch tackle can't reach the flanker who plants down in the corner"
Even though he missed the tackle on Kaino - he still made a tackle every 3,9 minutes h actually played, while the count for Matfield the count was a tackle every 6 [;us minutes per tackle. Aside from that Matfield buggered up the first lineout he jum[ed in and then made a terrible error that could have changed the outcome by causing a turnaround penalty through rank stupidity,
In the case of the Kaino try - where were the Springbok loosies in the whole AB attack? . .
@Plum. No need to be retired Plum. You just needs to call in ESPN Statsguru. You may experience some pushback from Saff, though.
I just need to figure out how to sort them in order of winning percentages. I’ll leave that up to you. I have included all Bok locks for starters. You can filter them out any way you want.
In the case of the Kaino try - where were the Springbok loosies in the whole AB attack?
If you want to make a point about the loosies, make it. Asking this type of question when you can clearly see all three loosies on the footage is stupid. What do you want to say about where they were? Duane is on the opposite side of the ruck with no hope of ever getting across after having just assisted Schalk's tackle on the Abs bust through the middle, Schalk trapped on the ground in the ruck, Louw defending inside Lood. Tell us what you think that means.
@Pakie. And then, if ou Maaikie is suggesting that Lood was let down by his loosies in 2015, one might similarly ask where the loosies were in the Mostert tackles in 2019? What’s good for the goose....
