Well done Lions . . .

Don't think I've seen a better Lions team than this one, not even the great Lions teams of the mid 90s.
I've always maintained that spangees is a more important quality in rugby than individual brilliance and this Lions team plays with a lot of gees. Not that they don't have talent. When Elton Jantjies is on then he's as good as any flyhalf in the world. Can't wait for the showdown between Jantjies and Barrett next weekend.
Well done to Johan Ackerman. Wish he could be given the Bok coaching job with the mandate to make the Boks play the style of rugby these Lions play. 
If I was picking a Bok team right now (ignoring injury but not ignoring quotas) then it would be packed full of Lions . . .
15 Warwick Gelant14 Ruan Combrinck13 Lionel Mapoe12 Rohan Janse van Rensburg11 Seabelo Senatla/Jamba Ulengo/Courtnall Skosan10 Elton Jantjies9. Faf de Klerk8. Daniel du Preez7. Sikhumbuzo Notshe6. Jaco Kriel5. Pieter-Steph du Toit4. Eben Etzebeth3. Vincent Koch2. Malcolm Marx1. Steven Kitsoff/Beast Mtawarira/Dylan Smith
16 Edgar Marutlelle17 Steven Kitsoff/Beast Mtawarira/Dylan Smith18 Trevor Nyakane19 RG Snyman20 Jean Luc du Preez21 Cobus Reinach/Nic Groom/Rudy Paige22 Patrick Lambie23 Seabelo Senatla/Jamba Ulengo/Courtnall Skosan
Where I have multiple selections I wouldn't mind which of those was picked. A fit and in-form Harold Vorster can replace #12 or #13 or else cover both from the bench.
As for captain, well I'm sure I'll be in a very small minority here because most would pick Jaco Kriel from my 15 but I reckon that if I'm going to stick my neck out and gamble on Skuna Notshe then I may as well go whole hog and make him skipper. I think he could be a 100 cap Bok in the making so we may as well see if he can lead. If nothing else, it would certainly shut some of the politicians up.

 Du preez over Whiteley??With 2 massive locks we can afford to have a ball player at 8

Thought I might get some arguments over this one. Whiteley would also be a logical (and deserved) captain. 
I wouldn't complain too loudly if Whiteley was promoted ahead of the Du Preez twins. As you say, the locks provide a lot of beef and Notshe is not exactly small.

 THIS MUST BE ONE OF THE DAFTEST TEAM SELECTIONS EVER.  I SEE POOR ROOITWIT BOWING DOWN TO ANC QUOTAS. WHAT A TOTAL DISGRACE OU ROOITWIT IS!GROW A BACKBONE ROOITWIT AND PICK A SIDE ON MERITTHANKS
APART FROM THAT NICE TO SEE OU ROOITWIT BACK. SEEMS THOUGH HIS RUGBY ACUMEN IS AS BAD AS EVER. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Baboon-ou, I know you're excited but please lose the upper case shrieking. 
Thanks.

Notshe as captain is so cute. The poor fellow was hopelessly outplayed at the breakdown last week. He isn't even a Bok bench pick, but oh so politically correct RooiAAS  has him as his new Luke Watson....i.e. a  Bok captain before he even proves he is bench material.
How did that work out?

This is silly posturing , the kind of prentious hogwash that makes a virtue out of the quota pandering  which is undermining our rugby.

 Actually ... that's a good team. I don't have much problem with it.
Perhaps not in favour of giving the captaincy to a complete novice ... and no real tighthead cover seeing as I don't really agree on a jack of all trades covering the vitally important position at 3.
 

Bit harsh on Nyakane, Klown. Just because he's one of those rare breeds that can cover loosehead and tighthead (a quality that is sadly no longer required now with the extra front row sub) doesn't mean he's less effective as a tighthead or a "jack of all trades". He's as much a specialist tighthead as anyone you'd care to name.

Nyakane just needs to work on his fitness and his conditioning. He is a great asset when he can play a full 60 minutes without fading . . . and his ability to cover loosehead as well makes him a valuable squad member even if there's no requirement for covering both positions from the matchday 22 anymore.

As for my skipper, well, I did say up front that I'd be in a very small minority so I don't really expect anyone to agree with me. Let's see what we're all saying about Skuna Notshe in a year's time. I'm confident I won't be in such a small minority by then.

 No, not being harsh at all.
Nyakane is a quota. He's not Bok material at all. Redelinghuys is a better tighthead and so is Malherbe. They are specialists while he's a stopgap one can call on when in trouble. 
Besides, Nyakane has had an issue with his weight right from the onset. He' an addict. Having to police him around the dinner table must be tiring. He has no self control ... no self discipline.  
Notshe is mobile and has shown some amazing upper body strength. He still has a way to go before I'd draw him closer to the Bok mix. 
We'll see how he does in the coming SR season.
I wish him well.

"This is silly posturing, the kind of prentious hogwash that makes a virtue out of the quota pandering  which is undermining our rugby."

Ironic that the loudest squealing about quotas comes from the chicken-runners who are no longer here to suffer the consequences of things like affirmative action, quotas and BEE.

Even more ironic when the squealer is Moffie - the bigoted supremacist who admitted to Dave some years ago that he hates blacks and still dreams of some kind of final solution to wipe them all out.

This is the opinionated little coward lecturing us here in South Africa about how we should feel about quotas in rugby!

Grow a backbone rooitwit your pandering to racist selections is nauseating and disgusts all fair minded folk.
Its ou rooitwit's regressive genes!!! hahahahhahahahahaha

Baboon-ou, I like quotas about as much as you do . . . but unlike you, I'm not burying my head in the sand and pretending it isn't happening.

Nonsense!!!
It's impossible to bury one's head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. 
How can you?

It's shoved in your face all day long, every day. Out on the street, in business, on television and in sport.
Many white folk such as yourself have accepted it and are deep down in favour of it all ... they show their support and acceptance by going along with it.
They even select teams with the quota in mind and then give their racist selections their support and blessing.
It's the cowardly way out. 
Beandip is right ... you have no spine ...
Nothing worse than a coward who turns on his own people in support of the oppressor.
They should gave castrated you at birth and saved us all the fruit of your pathetic loins.
Do us all a favour and f0kof back to Wales.



  

 

Uh oh, hardman alert!

Listen chump, you go ahead and pretend that future cricket or rugby teams will be exempted from quotas, affirmative action or whatever the heck you want to call it.

I think that is delusional - which does not mean I think quotas are right - but I deal in reality and the reality is that our next RWC squad will have a maximum of 50% whites.

I detest quotas and if they are necessary then they should at least have had a limited life span. I find it sickening that a nation like ours who fought so long and hard to remove racial discrimination from our legislation are now putting that same racial discrimination back, only this time in reverse.

But don't let me discourage you and your pal Baboon-ou from your delusional and naive little fantasies.

Chicken runners....hahaha.....oh boy, we were the stupid ones. Actually leaving was always difficult. It always resulted in an immediate massive drop in one's standard of living.....but if you had some skills you could eventually recover.
The real chickens were those who knew they should go for their kids' s ake, but were too selfish to give up their immediate comforts....call me a chicken runner any day, my kids and grandkids thank me for it. 

". . . call me a chicken runner any day, my kids and grandkids thank me for it."
Actually Moffie, I've seen an internet conversation between your two daughters and they weren't thanking you in that conversation. On the contrary, they seem to think you're a bit of a d!ckhead. Had any requests to babysit your grandkids in recent months? No, I didn't think so.
LMAO!
Oh and leaving the country because you hate black people isn't actually a very noble reason at all. It's racist, small-minded and selfish . . . especially considering all the privileges you enjoyed while the going was good.

 Actually we have just looked after my granddaughter for the weekend .....but it's cool you are hacking into my children's internet  accounts. What a champion, hacking into my personal pictures and family conversations.

What happened to you RooiAAS, why did you turn into such a rubbish.....frustrated by the world and your own lack of success?

 Wow, Rooi, we had our differences in the past and you'll probably tell me to FO or something, but this is a whole new level of dragging personal details onto this board. Fire away, but while you're at it, please explain to me what I'm missing here.

 RooinekA couple of straight forward no strings attached questions....
1) Why do you always drag family onto the message board when they have nothing to do with the argument and when it's an unwritten rule that family should be left out of an argument?
2) What kind of person snoops the internet social media to find personal details to be used in an argument against someone he hates?

1. Moffie dragged his children and grandchildren into the conversation, not me. Take a look, it's right there.
2. I know Moffie calls it "hacking" (probably because he doesn't know what hacking is) but there's no law against looking at people's social media accounts and literally billions of people around the world do it every day.  

 So Rooi, you went to have a look at Moz's daughters' social media conversations? Why? To dig up some dirt on Moz? To what end?

Draad, what the heck has any of this got to do with you?
Are you trying to become the Alpha-Gimp? If so, good luck with that!

"ven more ironic when the squealer is Moffie - the bigoted supremacist who admitted to Dave some years ago that he hates blacks and still dreams of some kind of final solution to wipe them all out." Haha Did you really Moz? This makes me laugh! "Commander we hav zi fenil solution in place! Every piece if KFC in zi cuntri haz been injected wis Jik." Personally I don't know why some of you guys seem to dislike Moz so much. I've been on his board for over two years now and I quite enjoy his quips. He's jibed me once or twice but has always taken my retorts in good spirits. Banter is banter. When you feel the need to get personal then you've lost the banter battle. That's a universal law unfortunately. What I also find funny is how we all have different rugby opinions and 99% of it is pure speculation but we'll stand on our words as though they have been passed down from on high and fling shyte an anyone who disagrees.

 Rooi, it's got nothing to do with me, but since you plastered it on a publi forum, I was curious....and as for your gimp theory,  good luck with that.

 Plum, some of these 'battles' have been going on for 12-15 years . Same contestants. The beat goes on.

 No I didn't leave for that reason Plum. I left to do a Ph.D at an American University. After which I got attractive job offers and stayed. As for me being a race nutter it's nonsense, I am absolutely neutral in matters of race......which doesn't mean I think others and governments necessarily are.
I believe in equal treatment, reasonable assistance for those who want to be assisted and  merit.  What happened in South Africa was a travesty, and what is happening now is also unacceptable. But not remotely at the same level.


What is stunning about what the AAS said is that he would bother to track my kids' social media accounts....not just to react to the one sentence I devoted to  them.....but by his own admission for a long time. A sick-ou.

12-15 years. Man I'm a noob on this board. Ah well, better late than never. Being older is probably a good thing in the way of understanding SA. Being my age and growing up after apartheid has given me a skewed view because I dont have much in the way of apartheid life experience to balance the current status quo against. For me, the government has always discriminated actively against me and there is no end in sight. Luckily my profession will easily allow me a swift exit from SA if ever things do go really south. I get people are kinda polarized into their corners on here and things become personal. Just sometimes a bit annoying when that gets in the way of rugby ideas. Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing is so last chromosome. We are here to talk rugby after all. Well I am at least. Regardless, I'm glad I came here because it keeps me well up to date with all things rugby as well as providing a good laugh.

 You have been a big plus here Plum....and there is nothing wrong with a good laugh.