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Did Bryce ever apologise ?

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
29 Aug 2014, 02:07
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29 Aug 2014, 02:07#1

I truly can't remember .

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Aug 2014, 02:52
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29 Aug 2014, 02:52#2
My sense is he certainly admitted making some mistakes. Personally I prefer that to an apology, it's more hones t. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Aug 2014, 06:19
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29 Aug 2014, 06:19#3
 I cannot ever remember that he admitted to making some mistakes - but that is past history and the Springboks performances in the WC in 2011 was so poor - they lost deservedly so afainst Australia.  
  
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
29 Aug 2014, 06:32
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29 Aug 2014, 06:32#4
I can remember him saying that he wouldn't be travelling to Africa in the foreseeable future .
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
29 Aug 2014, 07:30
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29 Aug 2014, 07:30#5
I do not remember but if he did then he has gone up a 100 fold in my assessment...only real men apologise.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
29 Aug 2014, 09:35
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29 Aug 2014, 09:35#6
What exactly did Bryce Lawrence have to apologise for? For having a different interpretation of the ruck than someone else? For not having eyes in the back of his head?

Even if he did make mistakes (and I'm still to find even one indignant and finger-pointing South African ref-basher who can articulate these alleged mistakes he made . . . the only blatant mistake I remember from that game is Bryce Lawrence not allowing James O'Connor to retake a conversion when the Springboks charged too early) . . . but I digress, even if he did make mistakes, do you see rugby players apologising for knock-ons or other mistakes they make on the field? Do you see flyhalves apologising for missed kicks? Why is it different for refs? It's not a truth and reconciliation commission for crying out loud, it's a game of rugby and this idea that a ref has to apologise for alleged mistakes after every game is just plain ridiculous.

Bryce Lawrence was never fired or relieved of his duties because of incompetence or poor performance. He did state that he was not prepared to travel to South Africa to ref games after he received death threats from blubbering excuse-making little crybabies who chose to blame Bryce Lawrence for that RWC QF defeat rather than blame the pathetic game plan that involved Victor Matfield and Schalk Burger being used as the flyhalf and the inside centre. The IRB obviously couldn't have a member of their panel refusing to ref in a specific country so that is why he stepped down.

Bryce Lawrence was (and probably still would be) a world-class referee . . . easily one of the top 10 referees in the world . . . a decent rugby-loving man just trying to do his job, whose career was ended in one of the most shameful, embarrassing and disgusting episodes in South African rugby history.
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
29 Aug 2014, 10:32
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29 Aug 2014, 10:32#7
 Bryce is a grossly misunderstood bloke to most SA supporters.He reffed the best he could but BOK fans blamed their team's lack of skill unfairly on his broad shoulders.Shame on you Hasbeeno et al....
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Aug 2014, 10:46
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29 Aug 2014, 10:46#8
 I have said often enough that SA lost that game themselves despite BL. Having said that,  the closest he came to an apology was to admit that he made major balls ups and then hinted that he was "pressurised" before the game. Talk about aplogising. ......... Paul Honis.......?
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
29 Aug 2014, 10:55
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29 Aug 2014, 10:55#9

Bull-s h i t Rooi Rooi

 

Bryce had one of the worst games by any referee in any rugby game, not just a world cup rugby game, any game.

 

It was both disturbing and disgusting what he let the Aussies get away with in that game, expecially in the last 15 - 20 mins.

 

South Africa did not do themselves any favours either with the quality of rugby they put on offer that day.

 

If you call that effective reffing though, then you have no concept of right or wrong.

 

He justly deserved the harsh criticism that he got regarding his reffing, and that's it, but he manned up to it and admitted getting a few things wrong and thats ockay by me.

 

Accepting you did something wrong is one thing, but trying to intimate that nothing wrong happened at all like you have done here, is just plain ignorance and stupidity on your part, when the man himself admitted his mistakes in that game. 

 

Read these you stupid moron

 

http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/10/11/lawrence-blunders-his-way-out-of-a-rwc-semi-final/

 

http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/story/157918.html

 

 

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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
29 Aug 2014, 11:23
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29 Aug 2014, 11:23#10
 nobody ever apologizes to anyone but new zealand its pretty sick guys. ireland got screwed over at the last world cup too. the whole thing was carefully maaged you could see it toget the boks and aus together and then take the boks out and also some believe to get wales out against france. it was pretty blatant tampering with outcomes through the whole damn thing. but no appologise to the rightful world champs or anyone else! meh!
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Aug 2014, 11:45
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29 Aug 2014, 11:45#11
 John O'Neill denies intimidating ref Bryce Lawrence at World Cup


CLAIMS by New Zealand referee Bryce Lawrence that his controversial handling of the Wallabies-Springboks World Cup quarter-final last year was affected by criticism of him by John O'Neill have been dismissed by the ARU boss.

In one of the most extraordinary matches in World Cup history, Australia defeated South Africa 11-9 in Wellington a year ago despite the fact the Springboks spent 76 per cent of the match in Australia's territory a nd forced the Wallabies to make 147 tackles to their 57.

Lawrence made a number of critical decisions in Australia's favour, repeatedly awarding David Pocock penalties at the breakdown, some of them within metres of his own tryline.

On his return to South Africa, retiring captain John Smit, normally one of the most diplomatic figures in the game, lashed Lawrence's performance. "I suppose one of the positives is that I will never have to be reffed by Bryce Lawrence again," Smit said.

Within days of the match, a Facebook petition to stop Lawrence refereeing another match had attracted 60,000 hits and such was the volatility of the emotion against him in South Africa SANZAR this year decided not to appoint him to matches in the republic.

In the end, Lawrence this week quit the career he loves to take up a role as the NZRU's high performance referee reviewer. He has no doubt it was the Wallabies-Springboks game that effectively ended his career. "There was some pretty nasty political stuff going on about that appointment," he said this week.

"I refereed Australia versus Ireland (in the pool round) and Ireland had won but behind the scenes guys like (Australian chief executive) John O'Neill were kicking up a massive stink. I knew a bit about that and it was enough to affect me, and it probably made me freeze on the biggest stage." O'Neill, who will stand down as the ARU's chief executive at the end of the month, yesterday rejected Lawrence's assertion.

"Let's face facts," he said in a statement to The Australian. "I did not appoint the referees at the Rugby World Cup. The reality is that Bryce was given the quarter-final to control and he was the one in the middle, not me.

"Just as pertinently, his performances were judged by refereeing assessors, not by me."

Lawrence also admitted that pre-match media criticism of the appointment of a non-neutral referee for last year's Reds-Crusaders Super Rugby final also influenced his performance.

"Again, I didn't make decisions and let the outside pressure change what I do," he said.

Ewen McKenzie, coach of the victorious Reds, admitted Lawrence took a laissez-faire approach to the breakdown in last year's final but insisted neither side benefited.
Ironically, he submitted a three-page critique of Lawrence's handling of the return game with the Crusaders in Christchurch this year, a match controversially won 15-11 by the home team. SANZAR refereeing manager Lyndon Bray, himself a former NZ Test referee, last night expressed sympathy for Lawrence.

"At different times in every one of our careers, the mental card becomes the critical one," Bray said. "Do you become aware of external pressure? Yes, you do and at times it plays a part in how you perform. I've no doubt Bryce was aware of that pressure. He wouldn't be talking about it if he wasn't."


Admitting and shifting the blame? Yes
Apology? Never in a million years.
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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
29 Aug 2014, 11:50
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29 Aug 2014, 11:50#12
 i believe these refs are bullied into tampering with results. bryce took alot of shidt for crazy decisions his nercous breakdown shows he couldnt handle the whole thing. i mean there was also that email that was sent to one of our refs saying how they were gonna get us. dont tell me for one second that there isnt corruption. the way bryce and joubert reffed was really strange. joubert turning his head away from the all blavks so not to see what they were doing was really odd. yeah there is definitely money being made by some realy crooked people in the game.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
29 Aug 2014, 12:14
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29 Aug 2014, 12:14#13
 what a coincidence Gonzo - that was exactly the same thing I said about Peyper in Sydney - seems the ARU have an enomous ability to spook refs tsk tsk tsk
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WardadPro6,663 posts
29 Aug 2014, 13:22
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29 Aug 2014, 13:22#14
 Rooie is on the money there, I couldnt be ars.ed carrying on about refs generally you find that the losing team still could have won despite ref rulings against them . McCaw has never blamed Barnes for deliberately screwing over the ABS the nearest he gets is saying Barnes wasnt experienced enough .Death threats over a game ? get a grip ! This whole blame the ref garbage filters all the way to Junior games where I have interceded when some poor lad was about to get thumped by some halfwit parents a while back . Its disgusting and it filters down from adults to kids and could well be the death of our beloved game .No refs no games even beandick c an understand that equation .
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
29 Aug 2014, 13:44
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29 Aug 2014, 13:44#15
Wardad, we have the same issues at our schools . . . idiotic parents - who know the laws of rugby about as well as dim bulbs like Baboon-ou and Gonzo the Gimp - screaming and swearing at the ref and threatening him with physical violence just because he made a decision against his son's team.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
29 Aug 2014, 13:48
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29 Aug 2014, 13:48#16

You make some valid points Wardad, but saying Rooi is on the money is not one of them.

 

Rooi wouldn't see sense if it bit him right between the eyes, swelled his head to twice it's size, and turned the colour Yellow.

 

He would think all is well with the world

 

Enuf said

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WardadPro6,663 posts
29 Aug 2014, 14:36
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29 Aug 2014, 14:36#17
 Nope Rooies right ,if Morne had done the one thing hes good at we wouldnt be discussing this and if the ABS had taken their chances in 2007 Barnes wouldnt hae mattered .When I played both League and Rugby it was ok to bitch among yourselves after a game but attacking the ref verbally or physicaly before ,during  or after was not on and thats how men deal with it .This constant harrassment of refs  has been given tacit approval by some media types and your more simple minded "fans".Theres a world of difference between " the ref stuffed up and missed this and that " and farcebook campaigns and threats and intimidation directed at blokes doing their job as best they can .If you think you can do better give it a go ,all the armchair critics think its so fecking easy .
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
29 Aug 2014, 14:50
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29 Aug 2014, 14:50#18

Again very good points, and with a lot I agree

 

But this

 

"Even if he did make mistakes (and I'm still to find even one indignant and finger-pointing South African ref-basher who can articulate these alleged mistakes he made . . . the only blatant mistake I remember from that game is Bryce Lawrence not allowing James O'Connor to retake a conversion when the Springboks charged too early)"

 

"whose career was ended in one of the most shameful, embarrassing and disgusting episodes in South African rugby history."

 

Is the kak I am talking about

 

Bryce ended his career all on his own, period.  He did himself no favours with that game.  He is still involved with rugby, and all very the best to him.

 

Failing to recognise when mistakes really were made is the crux of this debate, nothing else.

 

I don't give a toss now what happened then, but to try and convince people nothing actually happend is just plain stupid and ignorant

 

It's like........ being a complete idiot like someone called Rooinek

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Aug 2014, 15:06
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29 Aug 2014, 15:06#19

Well there is this:

 

'THE Wallabies are banking on a fair deal at scrum time from controversial referee Bryce Lawrence tomorrow night after the whistleblower admitted he bungled several key decisions in their loss to Ireland.

Lawrence will referee the Wallabies for the third time in the World Cup tomorrow when they meet the Springboks in Wellington, having so far caned the Wallabies 21-12 in penalties in games against Ireland and Russia.

Many of the Kiwi referee's decisions in the 15-6 win by Ireland at Eden Park - particularly at the scrum - appeared to baffle the Wallabies, and allowed Ireland to knock over decisive penalties or repel Australian pressure.

But in a crucial twist, The Daily Telegraph understands Lawrence later made admissions he had got several calls wrong at the scrum - including one that led to an Ireland penalty goal - and conceded other decisions were also inaccurate.

IRB referees boss Paddy O'Brien declined to comment when questioned on Lawrence's admissions last night. The revelations place Lawrence fairly in the spotlight for tomorrow night's game and the Wallabies would no doubt be desperately hoping to get an overdue break from the referee.

Including the Tri Nations win over the Springboks, Lawrence has blown 33 penalties against the Wallabies and only 18 in three games this year."

 

 

Our pals the Wallabies had Bryce thoroughly softened up before this game. The mental warfare was rife. And Bryce obliged....starting with the Pocock kick through the ruck from an offside position which led directly to the Horwill try. Then there was the denied Lambie try....a drift pass call which 90 per cent of refs would have called for the Boks. Jean was stopped at the pass, but he would otherwise have been two strides ahead of Lambie when he received the ball....ie it was drift.

 

Bryce may be a decent bloke and I would never condone any physical threats, but he made crucial mistakes. Mistakes I believe he was more likely to make because of the kind of pressure you can read above.

 

Reffing is a professional activity. Fans should expect the refs to get it right....and when all the wrong calls go in one direction, they have a right to be suspicious.

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sharkbokCaptain23,198 posts
29 Aug 2014, 15:24
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29 Aug 2014, 15:24#20
At the end of each year the worst performing referee should be publicly executed on Facebook 

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
29 Aug 2014, 15:39
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29 Aug 2014, 15:39#21
Well said mozart, good post  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Aug 2014, 15:43
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29 Aug 2014, 15:43#22
 Mozart
Stop moaning about Bryce Lawrence.   He may have made a few mistakes - but with that team of fat, over-aged  and useless geriatrics as a team - there is only one way we could have gone in that WC and that is o ut.  The selections amde determined the outcome an early exoit by the Springboks.
A pity is you want half ogf that uiseless bunvh in the Springbok team - not surprising that we think you are touched upstairs.

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
29 Aug 2014, 15:58
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29 Aug 2014, 15:58#23
 Come now boys, we shouldn't use this post to settle personal scores - rather we should make a concerted effort not be bullied in the future by the ARU - and we should continue to welcome the ABs players/coach/management efforts to gently teach the refs the rules. Sometimes the refs get it wrong (especially when it goes against the ABs) but we see that as opportunity to grow and learn from those mistakes and to forgive one another and not to do it again in the future (Peyper) - Hakwa always the voice of reason
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
29 Aug 2014, 16:45
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29 Aug 2014, 16:45#24
 Lawrence was the reason the Boks lost the game. The Wallabies were certainly not better than us that's for sure. He didn't understand the breakdown, missed countless high tackles and called forward pass when there wasn't one. 
Oh well, no point in crying over spilt milk. Before anyone say's that's contradictory, all I'm saying is those of you who are supporting Bryce Lawrence are ignorant. 
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
29 Aug 2014, 16:56
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29 Aug 2014, 16:56#25
 Shezza, you sound stressed. Sounds like you need a massage


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
30 Aug 2014, 02:19
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30 Aug 2014, 02:19#26

 Lawrence allowed Pockock to get away with murder and he failed to allow the Boks the same leniency.

 

I was at the game and to repeat a story, the morning after the game standing at a set of lights waiting to cross the road, a total stranger(ozzie) who noticed my Bok jumper, looked at me and remarked that Lawerence had done the wrong thing by allowing Pockock to transgress in the manner that he did. I don't know the fella, he was and remains a total stranger and I'll rest my case on that note.

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WardadPro6,663 posts
30 Aug 2014, 03:37
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30 Aug 2014, 03:37#27
 Denny ,if ever I needed a lawyer I dont think I would be looking in your direction matey !Hahaha .....nah mate thats a mighty slim case you have there ,as Mozart says he made mistakes like every ref ever born.Every single game has people like beandork whining and beeatching about the ref ,every game guaranteed someone will carry on .If you all reckon its easy try reffing a junior game , idiot parents braying and carrying on coaches hurling abuse and kids taking note of the "adults' behaviour as something to be emulated .Then multiply that by a factor of 10000 see how you would fare . Refs with few exceptions try to do an honest job, any one like beandonk who thinks refs have anything to gain by favouring one side or other is as stupid as they appear.What would a Kiwi ref have to gain by supposedly favouring Australia in the RWC ? The boks were less of a threat in our eyes than the Wobs so why would we care ?Imagine reffing the most complex team sport going at pace in front of huge fired up crowds in real time using the MK1 eyeball ,and you have Captains pis'sing in yer pocket crowds baying for blood ....not easy.
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
30 Aug 2014, 03:48
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30 Aug 2014, 03:48#28
 Do feel sorry for the guy though, seems a nervous wreck even in that video! 
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
30 Aug 2014, 04:48
#29
30 Aug 2014, 04:48#29
I was surprised with the backlash that the PiedPyper copped from the NZ media/public..... & it continued for most of that week & that result was a draw . Imagine the outcry if the Aussies had won & it was a Qtr final at the RWC . What happened to Lawrence would've been revisited on Pyper, death threats & all .
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
30 Aug 2014, 04:49
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30 Aug 2014, 04:49#30
 Gotta hand it to you Kiwis....you never turn on your own when every excuse will do.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
30 Aug 2014, 05:03
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30 Aug 2014, 05:03#31
 Shezza, the ABs can harp on about any number of things - from Wayne Barnes in the RWC 2007, the SA Video Ref in 2011 commenting on infield play instead of just sticking to commenting on grounding of ball as stated by the Law at that time and handing over the Tri-Nations 2011 to the Wallabies, the refs role in handing the S15 2011 to the Reds (vs the Saders), the refs role in handing the Tri-Nations to the Wallabies in Brisie.

We could death threat any of the following refs, yet after all our mutterings, we concede that the Fault lies entirely 100% with the ABs and Saders for not winning the game within the 80minutes given (even though sometimes the ref allows extra time to continue and the ball going dead TWICE after full time in 2000 to allow the Wallabies to win - Jonathan Kaplan I am looking directly at you).

Fact is, there was nothing to fear from your 2011 Springboks unless of course they  had signed a contract with Suzie Catering Co to provide nutritional services to the ABs
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Aug 2014, 09:21
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30 Aug 2014, 09:21#32
 Bryce Lawrence put on the worst display of reffing ever seen at international level.The completely dominant Boks were robbed of aresounding victory by the ref from hell. I think our possession was at 80%. We were robbed every which way. A classic on how to rob a team of a victory. The most cynical display of reffing ever and of course perpewrtrated by a kiwi.
It was so bad it could not have even been an off day. Bok management counted 46 errors.
His sole objective was to hand Oz a victory and remove the Boks.
No less a person than Prof Tom Noakes called  for an enquiry. It would seem that behind doors one was held. Fortunatley the IRB acted and brycy was fored from the IRB panel of elite refs. The kiws tries to brazen ot out and in a disgusting mocve made bryce their ref of the year removing any remaining doubt of just how bent they are. The other party to the crime was Paddy O'brien another nz oak who also was removed after the world cup. This was the most obviously rigged RWC ever. Unfortunately our own Craig Joubert was also part of the problem handing the RWC to a poor nz side (outplayed by France by some way on the day) on a platter.
There should be no lamenting wee brycys departure by any honest rugby fan. Rugby cannot survive refs of that type.The IRB needs to be very vigilant re refs and in partcular bent down under refs - most particularly bent kiwi refs who are the pits.Ou hacked waaugh and the kbbs complain bitterly about one forward pass and seek to equate this with brycy's appaling efforts. Bwahahhahahahahahaha no go kbbs. I would have taken Wayne Barnes long, long, long before that rotter brycy. 
Beeno compeltely intolerant of bent refs. Away with them they have no place in the beautiful game. 

Ou maaaikie your take on the game is totally rediculous. A comment WORTHY OF CERUDUNCE WINDPOMP. This half wit come to the conclusion that because Danie made an error to allow O'Connor to slot the winning goal kick we cant complain. The half wit ignores all that went before. Given a normal competent ref it would have been disappointing to win by less than 20 points at a minimum.Brycy I belived mentioned he made errors but never apologised. The apology should of course come from the NZ rugby board but never will. 
This surely was the most disgraceful episode ever at international level and ended any doubts in my mind about the cynical approach of nz to the game. The cumulative evidence was overwhelming. Not even Oz were as bad. They have had some bad eggs like Dickinson etc.Away with bent refs!

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
30 Aug 2014, 10:00
#33
30 Aug 2014, 10:00#33
Beeno stated: "The most cynical display of reffing ever and of course perpewrtrated by a kiwi." 
Clearly Beeno is Daffy & he is pointing everyone in the wrong direction as usual, lol


Evidence provided by JW surveillance systems
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Aug 2014, 10:03
#34
30 Aug 2014, 10:03#34
If the hat its wear it.
If you cant see how bad brycy was there is NO help for you.
End of story.
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
30 Aug 2014, 10:19
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30 Aug 2014, 10:19#35
He made mistakes as does every ref but to elevate it to a conspiracy & all the rest is over the top.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Aug 2014, 10:35
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30 Aug 2014, 10:35#36
 Nope when a top mind and internationally repected scientist like Prof Tim Noakes of the Sports Science Institue goes public and calls for an enquiry you must know how bad it was. We have lost before but never with this outrage.
46 errors is not bad its apalling particualry when there is such very evident BIAS. Dan Retief counted five hands in rucks by the Wobblies when we were near their line. They got away with it in all 5 instances. No excuses. What happened was a total disgrace. That he could be made nz ref of the year was disgusting. How much egg landed on nz when brycy was fired and where is he today - gone and rightly so. I am not saying brycy couldnt ref a game. He just chose not to.
Tolerate this and rugby would collapse.
This world cup left a very bad taste and many thought it was rigged by nz. A total disgrace and may it never happen again. Unfortunatly the favouring of Nz sides has continued right up to the the recent matches against England B.(Super 15 sodes also get favoured)
One senses a change in attitude with Kaplans comments. If so it's about time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Away with the wee abs RAWs! 

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
30 Aug 2014, 10:40
#37
30 Aug 2014, 10:40#37
 Bean Brain, I'm sorry you suck at rugby...something to do with the obesity epidemic I think...
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Aug 2014, 10:44
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30 Aug 2014, 10:44#38
 Hey brycy maybe you should apologise on behalf of nz. You have the right name! BwahahahahhahahaBut only the most contrite and humble apology would be accepted after such an event.An "eternal" shame and blot on nz rugby.



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WardadPro6,663 posts
30 Aug 2014, 11:04
#39
30 Aug 2014, 11:04#39
 The sheer weight [ literally] of dimwittedness droning on about refs has not made things better .How about i someone started a farcebook page about your being bent beanhead ? you know based on what they think in their tiny wee skulls happened .No need for proof or anything just thick headed perceptions will do .And coming from bok fans is a bit rich considering even the Great Dr Craven was horrified at SA refs cheating  'we didnt need to do that to win !" or the refs reply "I have to live here "Now that you have refs who arent bent and dont deliberately display any bias ya'll dont like it eh beandipsh.it ?Suck it up and give it a rest  fool.Keep it up and you wont have to worry about refs coming to SA .Idiot .

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Aug 2014, 11:26
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30 Aug 2014, 11:26#40
 ou maaaikie you half baked nutter what don't you understand about this statement.In one of the most extraordinary matches in World Cup history, Australia defeated South Africa 11-9 in Wellington a year ago despite the fact the Springboks spent 76 per cent of the match in Australia's territory and forced the Wallabies to make 147 tackles to their 57.

Thanks cerudunce windpomp foir this nice article.
The Boks have seldom ever been as dominant againt oz as they were in this game!!!! 
Get, a grip Mike you are way away out! What a stupid viewpoint.
AS FOR ROOITWIT HE HAS BEEN A SUPPORTER OF BAD REFFING ALL HIS TEDIOUS LIFE. Wapred DUD keep squealing about that one forward pass. 
Bryce Lawrence was there to eliminate the Boks which he did and was accordongly made nz ref of the year as a reward. Look to the beneficiary to understand what happened - wee abs were playing poor rugby as they were outplayed even by the poor French team.They could never have beaten thsi bok team that was buuilding areally good head of steam. They knew it and had planedd for this eventuality  - the plan was bryce lawrence.This was not a meltdown by a ref who could ref if the chose to. 
Case closed! 
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