Still Johan Botha a was one of our most underrated all rounders.
Tight brand of finger-spin that was always economical, pressure sponge with the bat and a real fighter.
Ozzie were lucky to get him.
And h e was one of our throw-aways back then.
A good indicator as to how deep the shit is that CSA is in today.
Mike dont be silly
Andile is unbelievable! as FD pointed out... he has THREE five wicket hauls! THREE! Thats more than Hashim Amla has!
AND he's score more ODI runs than our great Dale Steyn! I mean what more would you want!
He's more dependable than Frans Steyn!
Not sure who has the bigger backside though.
Face it Mike... Andile is our next great all rounder.
Move over Shaun Pollock and Lance Klusener!
Andile Phehlukwayo is in the house!
Plum.. .what you been smoking?
You're on another playing field brother. Where the F did Johan Botha come from all of a sudden?
Chippp
I was thinking of the quality of our current crop of all-rounders.
And realised that there was a time when a player of Johan Botha 's quality was considered a placeholder.
Which all-rounder, in the current squad, would you pick instead of him?
Dave
NO I am no nothing about cricket - but recognize BS when i see it happening, Andile has been shit since the WC in 2019 - where amongst a huge number of over-the-hill idiots he stood out as more dependable,
He definitely lost the third game against Pakistan after Miller nearly got thee victory for the Proteas. By the way a good shorter version all-rounder give away 6,5 to 7,5 runs per over in T20I's - Andile's average is over 8,3 throughout his career. And his batting average is games like the last one is 8,3.
I have seen him play recently and he was nothing better than poor - accept it since you won't b e able to make butter from shit.
Saf
Why do you get so nasty when people disagree with you?
Just because your mum let you speak to her like that, doesn't mean it is right.
You're a sports fanatic which is great.
But I honestly can't believe that you are an Andile fan.
He may have scored a useful forty once before... but overall, honestly... he hasn't done well at all.
Even Mondi Zondeki scored a test 50, but that didnt make him a good all r ounder!
Giving away 20 runs in four balls indicates a poor show, The Paksitanis had to make 20 runs to win in the last two overs and Andile snatch the loss from the jaws of victory, A hal=decent bowler would not bowl; the junk he did. I have seen people giving away 9 runs ion a full over bowling in such an over - but definitely not Hendriks and Andile.
In any event I looked at his performances in three matches.
Bowling ER : He gave away 101 runs in 10 overs and four balls ie, 9,7 runs per over.
Batting : He batted in 3 matches and made 14 uns in total for an average of 7.
Batting and bowling was his averages in all games played is poor in T20I's:-
Batting : 8,83
Bowling ER : 8,44
There is no way anybody could claim those are acceptable figures for all-round player in international level.
On first class level his bowling economy rate is even worse at 8,48., but his batting average is 11,06 - slightly higher than at international level - but not at all acceptable,. .
Nothing will convince me that the above are acceptable figures However, do you think they are and if so why?
Dave
Sorry I am not talking about one match or two. I am talking about his career averages. I know you despise Pretorius - but his career averages are near to three times higher than Andile's and his economy rate a run lower than Andile's. That is or his full career - same as Andile.
Believe me this guy was good when I first saw him playing - but over the past two years he turned out to be poor, He is not even a good provincial player anymore. .
I don't like Pretorius at all and I recognize that T20I's are recognized as an international competition.
So Andile is not a test level option - neither should he ever be a T20I option. That leave's the ODI option. There Mulder is vastly better than An dile too,
So Andile is a bad dream after all.
How many matches did Mulder play on ODI level compared to Andile. Mulder was pushed into international cricket before he was really ready for it. He improved since than and his latesst batting on FC level was 146 runs.
Mulder played in 10 ODI's as against 42 of Andile. Mulder improved after a year lay-off due to injury - Andile deteriorated badly over the last two years. He was so bad on provincial level he did not make selection on ODI level.
He was in the latest T20I squd based on quota selecction and his eprformance in Pakistan proved just that.
Well Dave
I saw Andile play in the WC and was impresed as he stood out as a relative success compared to the junk of most of the others, The last two years I did not see him play.- but two months ago I watched the Momentum 50 overs games and Andile was the poorest bowling all rounder I have ever seen, His game went backwards at jet speed,
As to the ODI story as a whole he was out in contention for a long time because apparently he was poor on provincial level. I think he was taken along to Pakistan to give him another chance to save his career and he failed miserably in all three matches.
The only way he can make the team for any format of the game is as a quota selection - on merit he is a goner, Unfortunately a player who showed early promise and that did not continue,
Look at his photo now and the one taken in 2019 and if you cannot see that he did put on weight you need to have your eyes tested.
In any event what you describe as solid performances are anything but. Come now Dave 0 this is not a player that can be described as solid, 0nless you have a different idea as to what solid implies.
If there ever is going to be a constructive rebuilding of the team one has to look at players at provincial level and look at their stats as well. I have already written about Du Plessis and Elgar - whose provincials tats are not as goof as some of he young guns. Why can one not do the same in the case of Andile?
Dave
One has to look at his first class \career when he vanished from sight to see why he was not playing international cricket anymore,
Then we have comparison with other duds - in in the land of he blind cock-eye is king,
There were a number of shorter version games played at the end of 2019 and early in 2020 before the Covid crisis hit SA in March 2020 and a;so towards the end of 2020 and he was nowhere in sight, That is why I looked at the provincial stats too/
I look at all present Protea players and their provincial stats to see how they perform compared to some promising youngsters especially since the selections are so pathetic,.
There were a number of shorter version games played at the end of 2019 and early in 2020 before the Covid crisis hit SA in March 2020 and a;so towards the end of 2020 and he was nowhere in sight, That is why I looked at the provincial stats too/
I look at all present Protea players and their provincial stats to see how they perform compared to some promising youngsters especially since the selections are so pathetic,.
Dave
I admire your knowledge of the younger generation of rugby and cricket players and rarely differ from you on that score - fact is I support most of your comments on that score,
However, I think that like in the case of Andile your trust is misplaced and what come out of the players by way o performance is nor supporting your sta tements like happened in the case of Andile. ,
Thanks Dave
I recognize shit when I see it
Thanks Dave
I recognize shit when I see it
Dave
I am disappointed in you - did you not serve in the SA army at one stage? If you did - did you not have an explosive Sergeant Major who could enhance your insult ability?