Batting line-up of Proteas remains seriously defective

The  Proteas batting line-up still remains seriously  defective and it is really disappointing    The Proteas is now  54 for 6.   It could be that they are finding it very difficult t to bat on the pitch but it is just not acceptable

So how did the batsmen do in the three innings batted in the two test series batted:-

Elgar -     Total runs scored    =   87    =   average    29

Makram               "                =   64    =      "           21

Petersen              "                =    42    =      '           14

Van der Dussen    "                =  124    =                 62

Verreynne            "                =    39    =      "           13

De Kock               "                =  237   =                   118,5 

De Kock and the bowlers won the first test an of they win the present test it  will similarly be due to the bowlers and De Kock.            

Wickets tumbling...again.

And people complain when I suggest we need another batting all-rounder

Many players are selected on how they perform in local games and have not got the skills or the ability to make the step up to test level plain and simple.

The national team should be renamed the FADERS.

It is the sign of the times once more in RSA I think.

Pity.

My concerns  about the batting line0up of the Proteas  have been confirmed again by the results of the 4  T20I  matches played thus far in the series in  the West Indies.    So lets look at the stats of the 4  matches  which I think is important  - though  a certain member on site clains sich stats are meaningless when it comes to team selection.:-

                                             Total runs scored       Average         Assessment      

Quinton  De  Kock                          185                      46,25            Good

Reeza Hendriks                                 90                       22                Very poor

Bavuma                                             76                       19                Disaster\

Van der Dussen                               110                       27,5             Poor

Klaasen                                              17                       8,5              Worse disaster

Miller                                                 32                       8                  Worse disaster

Markram                                             42                     21                  Disaster

Linde                                                    9                      2,25               Disaster record\

De Kock gave the Proteas a good start at a high strike rate - which vanished from site when the rest of the batsmen  were unable to score boundaries  at an acceptable strike  rate,   Fir that reason the star selectors brought in  Markram to bat  in the middle order to score  at a high strike  rate, but it did not help much anyway,

Of the above there are  -\ 

*     only one player (De Kock)  is  really ia real international batsman;

*    Van der Dussen may make the grade at times - but on average is way below par;

*    Markram is better used as opening batsman;

*     Miller did not feature at all in this series and is not the player he used to be anymore; 

*     the rest  are not international level players 

I left out the strike rate assessment  as the run scores in the main  was poor or wiorse and the strike rates become irrelevant,       

It’s not the line up that’s defective….it’s the abysmal failure of all the new talent following the retirement of the greats. You can shuffle them up and down.  You can introduce other duds, but until we have some genuine batting talent we won’t be a top 3 cricketing nation.

At this point, I think it's better to select all the best young guys and let them build confidence and and a unit together.

We've been trying to mix young with older but it ain't working. 

Perhaps we won't reach previous heights but at least we might find one or two star performers that take to international cricket well. 

Still still Verrynne is a future star. Was hoping Markram was too but he's looking more and more like a Quintie style bat then gets runs when you're winning anyway.

And then there's hardly anyone else.

The problem is the refusal to use new talent and that remains a dismal problem.    When Verrreynne played in general he did better than the above failed  players  like Klaasen who according to Mozart should replace the useless and unreliable De Kock.

Going back to 2019   the signs of disaster was clear.    Too many once great players failed  then and since then the seletions in the main was that players "owning" n  their positions in the team failed because  they were way past their sell-by dates and was a problem in the team,       

I agree with plum - wipe the board clean and start with the younger players that can be used  over an extended period  - which would be the way to go.    The greats are gone and lets accept it.    That is what all leading teams in the world has done  - while the SA team stuck with their failures.     

Not even good enough to justify replacing perennial failures like Miller apparently….thanks for helping me make my point.

So lets update the stats after the fifth T20!:-

                                            Total runs scored       Average         Assessment      

Quinton  De  Kock                            245                      49                Excellent.  

Reeza Hendriks                                 90                       22                Very poor

Bavuma                                             76                        15;2            Disaster\

Van der Dussen                               111                       22,2              very poor

Klaasen                                              17                       8,5              Worse disaster

Miller                                                  50                        10              Worse disaster

Markram                                            112                     37,3              Above average

Mozart

If you select poor players and give better pl;ayers the chance to play - result would always be a disaster.    Boucher and co thus far failed badly - especially when it comes to team selection.     

‘If you select poor players and give better players the chance to play-result would always be a disaster’…. Unique, I’ll give you that.

"...thanks for making my point."

What point was that?  Had no idea you had one.

Is that about spruiking Klaasen....or holding onto Amla?

You don’t have a clue about much….I mean look at your Durban July calls. Gormless.  

Oh dear.......look who's talking. How many times do you need to be told that you really don't know. There's been more than one poster whose told you so please don't embarrass yourself any further. 

Don’t know what?

I will gladly help out - Mozart knows nothing about anything relating to any code of sport.,  

I pointed out something very important - namely the batting performances of the players selected to play for SA - in this case the batting deficiencies that is bedeviling  our cricket and looked at the recent series especially.    

I gave the stats - which Mozart claims is meaningless by de-facto implies should not be a norm in team selection  and instead of thinking that there is something seriously defective in teams election - he came up with standard BS attacking players who never  had an opportunity to play for the Proteas - while the failures are according to him owners of their positions in the team irrespective of whether they fail or not, 

His latest attack on De Koc k - who in both the test and T20I series against the Windies scored more runs than any other batsmen and indeed by a massive margin, is a typical example of Mozart delirium.     The other target of this sport imbecile is Markram  - who despite playing in only three of the five T20 games scored the second highest number of runs for SA in the series. 

Mike, I'm not the one to convince, he can't tell me what criteria to use when selecting future national players and Hell, left to him 2 Test failures like Matt Hayden, Steve Waugh and Kallis would have been wiped and the world of cricket would never have heard of them. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. Left to him De Kock would be replaced by Klaasen. Now there's another laugh.

What was my ‘latest attack on de Klerk (sic)’….I can’t recall making one lately. Ock will be fine as long as there is no pressure and the ball isn’t moving. 

As for your Hayden, Waugh, Kallis story….which is your big new finding…..I assure you anybody who knows the game could see their potential immediately. Verrynne is not in the same area code, even if he made a lot of runs against second rate bowling.

What possible reason would Boucher have for not selecting this kid if he thought he was ready for top level test cricket. It’s called judgement…we don’t select teams solely based on stats.

That is De Kock stupid. whom your latest simpleton approach has been deadly poor judgment,

As to Boucher his judgement is not  what is that count.   He never used Verreynne in any T2-I mat6ches - while using really poor players  who failed repeatedly - Klaaasen, Van Biljon and  Smuts   being just three examples -  is not good judgement it is extremely poor judgement or rather rank stupidity,   He did use Verreynne on ODI level -where he was exceptional and in tests where - unlike his favorite Petersen he put in a better performance,   

Boucher would have been looking for other employment if the WI series were lost like so many others.   -   so I would not call his judgement being of any value   whatsoever.   He was  as bad as  Meyer and Coetzee when it came to team selection and that indeed take some doing.  \

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Mike, don't expect to prove a point to the moron, it's just a sick little game to him. But here a copy and paste which perhaps said in jest pretty much cuts to the truth. 

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Verryenne is a "Dud"?

Why?

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Because Maaik is punting him.

Well that’s not true….but even if it were, it would be recipe for success. Happy now Quisling ?

The truth hurts  - I believe that you are not as igno rant about sport as you are on this site.