Delande to be 1st choice Bok inside center

Yesterday was demonstration of his best position being inside centre. 

He is the closest thing South Africa have to Sunny Bill.

He can carry the ball up, offload in the tackle and has a decent step. 

They both look harder to pull down than forwards as they are so strong on their feet. 

Delande even has a decent kicking game

He played the fool with Jan Serfontein at Loftus over the weekend. 

It would be good to see Pollard combine with Delande at Bok level. 

Their is no one really standing out at outside centre.

You need creativity at 12, de Allende is not a creative player. He is all about strength and a handy step.......and his pace is pretty good.

Jan is our most creative 12, when allowed to actually express himself instead of being used as a crashballer by the Bulls.

Jan at 12 with de Allende at 13......End of  

Rubbish, he is not a natural 12 unless you want a crash ball 12.

Your best 12's are flair/creative players.......players that are able to create space for others by beating the opposition through skill and deft touches........SBW, Tim Horan, Jean as a youngster, Fofana.

de Allende, is a finisher......he is freakishly strong........we play him at 12 and all we will see is the crash ball.

We need him running off the creativity of a 12. Jan is the answer at 12 with de Allende at 13.

Not sure what your issue with Coenie is, he was good on the EOYT and bloody good on Sat in particular in the scrums  

Jan has always impressed at 12, I am not waiting for anything.

Do the Bulls play expansive rugby huh? Pollard kicks plenty of their ball and Jan is clearly instructed to take contact......its the Bulls way.......has always been......much like the Boks way.......when last did we see Jean be creative for the Boks at 12?

You seem to be missing the obvious here.

A player like Jan, does not just all of a sudden lose his skills.

Ah so Coenie has a good EOYT tour as a scrummager and was damn good against the Bok test props on Sat and you conclude that he is a poor scrummager.......try again, you sound about as convincing as my mother talking rugby.

There was no hinging from Coenie and the whole concept of hinging is a load of rubbish in itself.....when the opposition prop stands too far back, his opponent cant help but hinge.....its a lottery as to which prop gets penalised.......the one for dropping thanks to standing too far back or the other for hinging. Much like slipping a bind....of course you are going to slip a bind if the frontrows go down. It has stuff all to do with being beaten.

Disagree, de Allende is a finisher, not a creator.

Advocating de Jongh at 13 is a joke

Nope CC JJ remains my choice at 13, I don't mention him amongst you ignorant lot as you think useless players like little man de Jongh are better. de Jongh is a joke......he might be able to effect the odd open field tackle by going nice and low, but he is useless in traffic where given his size, he is not able to impose himself physically.....same applies on attack. Give him space and he is fine.

Now if only top flight rugby was about space, something about as rare as sound rugby insight on this site. The reality of modern day rugby is that it is played in traffic where centres need to dominate the collisions. de Jongh at 88kg is NEVER going to do that.

de Jongh has done nothing of note at s15 or CC level in the past year and when he was given a few tests matches, he was exposed, none more so than against England.

Do 88kg players play outside centre in test matches - NO they don't, I wonder why that is?  

Last I checked, Meyer viewed Jan as one of his star players so I am not sure what you are on about regarding opportunities. Last I checked, he spent the whole test year playing out of position at 13 and in the process out performing his captain in every test, despite Jean playing in his chosen position.

Jan has as much pace as Jean, de Allende, Frans, Fourie, Frans Venter, Mnisi, Stokkies, Mapoe, Odendaal, Williams, Pat Howard, Fisher, Sadie, Murray, Olivier, Roberts, Twelvetrees, Tuilangi, Basteraud, Fofana, Burrell, Crotty, SBW, Barritt etc

The notion that he is any slower is complete and utter rubbish and based on what exactly?

One of Jan's strengths is his physical strength, he has shown that time and again in the hits he puts in or in the contact he took on Saturday for instance.....he always breaks the advantage line in contact.

At least he has a step, unlike Jean........predictable step, what the hell is that? Are the opposition tuned into when he will make the step.....what utter rubbish.

Not only does he have a step, he is also able to beat his man on the outside as he did against Sarries.

Jan is the best young 12 in the game......has achieved more as a 21 year old than any other Bok 12 before him. And to think he spent a whole season wasted at 13  

For me we have plenty of options at 13.

I remain a JJ fan, I also believe de Allende would be better suited to 13. We also have youngsters like Stokkies Hanekom, Pat Howard (you are a fan), Tyler Fisher (you wont know him but he is a star in the making), Kobus v/Wyk of the Stormers is another class act who possess the same skill set as JJ.....is quick with a great step. He is wasted on the wing at WP at the moment having played all his age group rugby at centre.

There is also Sithole of the Sharks. Andre Esterhuizen of the Sharks has mostly been played at 12, but he could also be tried at 13......he might just be the best of the lot. The lad is a physical freak.

Then of course there is the very talented Baby Bok Jessie Kriel who plays most of his rugby at 15, but was fantastic at 13 for the Baby Boks......this kid has real attacking clout. Then there are youngsters like Rohan Janse v/Rensburg, Dries Swanepoel, Dan Kriel (Jessie's twin brother). Plus the likes of Taute and Sadie.

I'd love to work with all the centre talent we have at our disposal.....hell its just as impressive at 12....Serfontein , Frans, Esterhuizen, Frans Venter, Mnisi, Odendaal, Vorster, Heimar Williams, de Allende, Watermeyer

The worst call ever was Adi Jacobs at centre......Koen and Braam v/Straaten at 10, Albert v/d Bergh at lock and the return of Steenkamp, Bakkies and Matfield to the Boks.

Jan is the best young 12 in the game, is more talented that Jean and has achieved more than Jean at the same age.

No outside Bok centre has achieved the same display as JJ did against the AB's in the past 10 years.......not even close. That display with ball in hand was the measure. Sadly we have an idiot for a Bok coach who would rather play an old man in Fourie at 13 or a player out of position like Jan at 13......not to mention discard the talented de Allende after a test or two......bloody clueless   

Now if only top flight rugby was about space, something about as rare as sound rugby insight on this site. The reality of modern day rugby is that it is played in traffic where centres need to dominate the collisions. Jan is the apple of my eye, and he must start. 

In reality only SBW has the skill set to effect the offload in contact, which makes him the special player that he is. Our big guys lack the deft touches.......but we need to see more of the likes of de Allende and Esterhuizen playing the SBW role.

Frans Steyn has done it at times