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Pakistan hobble to 200

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Dec 2024, 14:55
#1
26 Dec 2024, 14:55#1
Proteas to bat after tea. Zorzi and Markram opening. It's a perfect afternoon for batting. The pitch is doing very little and the sun is out. After all these years, and all these chances, Markram's test average is 35. I can't recall any Proteas opener with such a low average being acceptable. 40 is the bare minimum these days. But then looking at the team averages, only Stubbs is above 40. Bavuma's averages 37. Well, if you asked me to look at the team, on paper, it's pretty clear to see where the problem is. Our most experienced bats are both averaging under 40. And then you look back at the McKenizie, Smith, Kallis, Amla, Ab...who were all well over 40 with some of them averaging closer to 50. Bowling has never been our problem. Not at home anyway. The younger guys that we have in the side do look like they have the goods, but it's time to drop the perpetual failures, as the final phase of the full replenishment of the side. Saying that, I'm not convinced by Zorzi either. He was an absolute bunny the other night and he's not convincing me today either. As I say that, Markram flashes and misses wildly at one. This guy is the DDA of the Proteas team.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Dec 2024, 14:57
#2
26 Dec 2024, 14:57#2
And there goes Zorzi. Plays all around a straight one and his middle peg is struck. Thanks for the 2 runs, Zorzi. Now we just wait for Markram to fail...
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Dec 2024, 15:41
#3
26 Dec 2024, 15:41#3
Markram with 29 off of 38 now. He's gotten off to a brisk start. After Rickleton fell Stubbs has looked solid. Hopefully they can bat to the close of play.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Dec 2024, 15:55
#4
26 Dec 2024, 15:55#4
Markram on 41 now. I sense a DDA style brianfart coming soon...
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Dec 2024, 16:58
#5
26 Dec 2024, 16:58#5
Markram successfully closes out the day. Played and missed a few but was surprisingly levelheaded throughout. He's close to 50 now and has Bavuma with him after Stubbs ate an LBW to an unplayable delivery. Pakistan still lead by about 120 but it'll take a pretty horrific collapse from the Proteas to not finish their first innings with a lead. A lead of about 100 should see them win the game. The ball will be softer tomorrow and the with grass off the pitch it should come onto the bat more reliably too. On balance, probably SA's day...but two quick wickets in the morning could swings things in Pakistan's favour.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 08:59
#6
27 Dec 2024, 08:59#6
Day 2 starting. Some cloud around so perhaps we'll see some swing. Hopefully Markram can get to 50 and Bavuma can hang around a bit.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 09:40
#7
27 Dec 2024, 09:40#7
Bavuma and Markram not 100% solid this morning but are surviving. Markram is on 69 now and I hope he converts this to a big hundred. He needs it badly.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 09:44
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27 Dec 2024, 09:44#8
Been impressed by how Bavuma has played within himself. He's been leaving very well and forcing the straight ball, which he has been working away. Very slow scoring rate but he came in at a tricky time yesterday and has managed this morning session like proper test batter. ...while typing this he nudged one fine of fine leg for 4.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 10:27
#9
27 Dec 2024, 10:27#9
Bavuma goes for 31. Playing at one he could really have left alone. It's like the current Proteas just can't concentrate for the periods of time required to do well in test cricket. They seem to forget that it only takes one ball, one lapse, and you'll be walking back to the pavilion. I'm probably being a little mean because teams always tend to lose more wickets when chasing a low score. It's some weird cricket law. Still, this batting romance has been yet another lacklustre one. They just showed a bit of Hashim Amla. He finished his test career on a 51 average. In terms of pure batting, he was probably best ever. Calm and deadly. I think that South Africans just need to accept that Smith's side was our best ever and we won't come close to having a team like that again.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 10:30
#10
27 Dec 2024, 10:30#10
Proteas trail by 58 with Bedingham and Markram aiming to make it to lunch. ...let's see Pakistani bowl short to Bedingham, which is what undid him against Sri Lanka
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 10:54
#11
27 Dec 2024, 10:54#11
And now Bedingham flays at a loose one outside off...just before lunch. More Proteas not being able to focus and treat this like a test match. Verrynne now the last of the recognised batters in with 5 minutes to lunch.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
27 Dec 2024, 12:25
#12
27 Dec 2024, 12:25#12

Pffffffhahahaha!

"Markram is so crap, Markram will be out soon, Markram is the DDA of the Proteas . . . blah blah blah . . . oh, hang on, he's almost on a century, I'd better start pretending I like him . . ."

LMAO!

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 13:12
#13
27 Dec 2024, 13:12#13
Markram got out just after lunch. Chucking away yet another big score. Sure he batted nicely for his 89, but it's again a case of the SA batters failing. Luckily, Bosch came on and took the Pakistanis to task else we'd have been out for under 200. The Proteas now lead by 43 and KG has just got himself out. This Pakistan attack is ordinary. The ball swung a touch yesterday and has done absolutely nothing today, and yet the Proteas can't seem respect batting as much as they should. Outside of Zorzi, nobody else really got a great ball. It's no wonder nobody wants to watch this team.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 13:13
#14
27 Dec 2024, 13:13#14
Well done to Bosch. He took a wicket with his first ball in test cricket. And he has just hit a 50 in his first test innings. His dad would have been very proud.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 13:35
#15
27 Dec 2024, 13:35#15
"Pffffffhahahaha! "Markram is so crap, Markram will be out soon, Markram is the DDA of the Proteas . . . blah blah blah . . . oh, hang on, he's almost on a century, I'd better start pretending I like him . . ." LMAO!" He's averaging 35. He's been in shit form for years. I don't like him and I don't think he's good enough to be there. He's had too many chances and come up short too many times. He fails no matter where he bats. They've tried him all over the order and he just can't perform. He got some runs today and didn't play badly. But he fell short yet again. A quality bat would have converted that start, to a 100. Particularly since the ball has gone soft, he's on his home ground and the pitch is doing nothing.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 13:43
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27 Dec 2024, 13:43#16
Proteas now lead by 72. All thanks to the tail. Paterson doing well here to stay with Bosch. The number 11 seems to understand what he's supposed to do. While Rabada before him was swinging like a mad man. There have been so many annoying dismissals in this innings from South Africa. It's very difficult to look at this first innings and think that SA are respecting the game or that they are getting good advice.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 13:46
#17
27 Dec 2024, 13:46#17
Nice work from Paterson. First ball of the over, gets a single off the first ball of the over and hands strike to Bosch. Very impressed by this guys. A fighter...and he took 5 wickets.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 13:53
#18
27 Dec 2024, 13:53#18
Bosch to 79. A century is long way off but damn it would be good if he got there. Proteas lead is nearing the 100 mark...they need 12 more.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 14:00
#19
27 Dec 2024, 14:00#19
Done and dusted. Tea time, SA all out for 301 and they have a lead of 90.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 15:37
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27 Dec 2024, 15:37#20
Pakistan were knocking of SA's lead really quickly until Rabada got a clean bowled and Jansen picked up an edge to second slip. They still trail by 20 and it's looking much more difficult out there now. Roughly 15 overs left in the day. Another wicket for SA and Pakistan would probably be in a non recoverable position.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 15:49
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27 Dec 2024, 15:49#21
Jansen takes another one. Pakistan's still trail by 15 with 7 wickets in-hand
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Dec 2024, 17:44
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27 Dec 2024, 17:44#22

Lekker match so far...glad I'm watching,  still a pity we can't be competitive against the likes of India and Australia anymore...hope that changes soon...I was at the point of giving up on rugby too, back in the AC days,  but Rassie transformed the Bokke in short time...it can happen for the Cricket boys too...but we need a leader...and neither the captain nor the coach comes close to being inspirational...time will tell, but SA has more than enough talent to compete at the highest level...hope the cricket fraternity can kick the political fat cats out of the management of the game.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
27 Dec 2024, 19:59
#23
27 Dec 2024, 19:59#23

The pitch is doing very little and the sun is out.

Bwhahahahahhahaha The ball has been swinging from D1 and continued to swing for both sides  how else would Paterson have achieved a 5for haul if he hadn't swung the ball at125km /h?

Jirre!!!!

Keep em coming Clown

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
27 Dec 2024, 20:11
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27 Dec 2024, 20:11#24

".......but SA has more than enough talent to compete at the highest level.."

It has? Name those players.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
27 Dec 2024, 20:12
#25
27 Dec 2024, 20:12#25
Where are the spectators? Boxing Day Newlands
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 20:25
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27 Dec 2024, 20:25#26
My oh my, Denise, your cricket noobness knows no bounds. Paterson got his wickets with deviation off the seam. That's the type of bowler he is...two of those wickets were mistimed hooks that were skyed, and another was a straight ball that was dabed to the slips. The other two were slight deviations off of the seam that took the edge. Now, I'm gonna post the highlight package, just to embarrass you. The only bowler that got some swing on day 1 was Rabada...and it was minimal, as it ALWAYS is in Pretoria. The only guy that got out to big swing was Zorzi. You really are a pathetic twat. Every time you post anything about cricket you just make it more obvious that actually know nothing about the game. Like, what kind of "cricket fan" doesn't know the difference between swing and seam movement. I'm actually gonna switch on my PC now and post the highlights, with timestamps, just so that everyone can see what a nerf brain you are.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 20:51
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27 Dec 2024, 20:51#27

Okay, so here we go...video at the bottom.

This is the only highlight package on Youtube. Here are the timestamps for Paterson's wickets...ZERO swing on display.


02:31 - Wicket 1; Angling in, no swing, then deviates away slightly off the seam to pick up the outside edge. 

03:05 - Wicket 2; Dead straight ball outside off, zero swing but the batter is caught in two minds and dabs it to second slip.

10:51 - Wicket 3: Dead straight, no swing, top-edged hook to fine leg.

11:49 - Wicket 4 -  Angling in towards the batter, no swing, deviates slightly away off the seam and picks up the edge. 

15:43 - Wicket 5 - A mistimed hook shot off a short ball, no swing, that takes the queue end of the bat and is caught at point.

So, Denise, you cowardly, barefaced liar...where is the swing? Show it to me? You asked how Patterson got his wickets if there was no swing and here I have provided you with direct evidence, in black and white, to show you exactly how he got his wickets. Not a hint of swing in any one of his 5 wickets.

But I'm gonna guess that you'll put your girly tail between those girly legs and slink off. Or come up with some other garbage to try and save what little face you have.

Now, just to make things worse for you...here is the description of Patteson as a bowler on ESPN Cricinfo...it says...

"A skillful medium-pacer, Dane Paterson is a deceptive bowler. He uses neither speed nor great swing to get his way and flew under the radar at the Cobras, where he did not burn up the wicket-takers' charts. Still, national management was impressed with Paterson's wiles and he was included in various South Africa A campaigns, where he was fairly successful."

Hilarious  you come in here guns blazing, but you don't even know what type of bowler he is. You've likely never watched him before this series. You have likely not even been watching this test. What a complete joke of a human being you are.

And now, I've shown you the video evidence of what I was saying, as well as corroborating that with a description of Patteson the bowler. He is not a swing bowler, you mong.

So, did you not know the difference between seam and swing and/or did you know absolutely nothing about Paterson?

My god, had I made such a clanger I'd not be able to show my face around these parts again.

Do you see the kind of embarrassment your desperation is causing you?

Now cry.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Dec 2024, 21:20
#28
27 Dec 2024, 21:20#28

"Bwhahahahahhahaha The ball has been swinging from D1 and continued to swing for both sides  how else would Paterson have achieved a 5for haul if he hadn't swung the ball at125km/h?"

He asks this, when Patterson has never been a swing bowler!

...and then he calls me a clown????!!!!!!!!!!!

Bwhahahahahahahahhaha!!!!!

What an absolute MONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Dec 2024, 03:10
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28 Dec 2024, 03:10#29

Pffffffhahahaha!

"Markram is so crap, Markram will be out soon, Markram is the DDA of the Proteas . . . blah blah blah . . . oh, hang on, he's almost on a century, I'd better start pretending I like him . . ."

Rooinek

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Sep 17, 2023, 19:07

The question is would you select Pollard over Libbok for the game against Ireland next week?


If the answer is "yes" then it's a sensible enough decision.
If the answer is "no" then it's a very stupid call.
Manie Libbok is not a world class goal-kicker but he adds a lot of flair to the backline and the Boks are looking good playing expansive running rugby.
If it was me I'd have called up Dweba to be my bench hooker and I'd have stuck with Manie, flaky goal-kicking or not.
I don't believe Pollard's goal-kicking is so much better than Manie's that it warrants us playing a lightweight non-specialist hooker for 30 minutes in each game from here on in
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Dec 2024, 03:20
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28 Dec 2024, 03:20#30
Rooinek

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Oct 26, 2023, 08:16

"& we picked 4 number 9s"

There's some irony there. Like I said earlier, if we win this RWC it'll be despite Rassie, not because of him.

The initial selection of 4 scrumhalves, the decision to exclude Pollard from the original squad, the selection of Am to replace Mapimpi when we didn't use him even once, the 7-1 split for the final, the kick-and-hope game plan . . . all stupid shortsighted decisions made by an egotistical fool trying to prove he's some kind of genius.

Oh well . . . Go Bokke!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Dec 2024, 03:21
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28 Dec 2024, 03:21#31
Rooinek

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Oct 30, 2023, 15:50

Before the RWC started I said words to the effect that I consider Rassie to be a crybaby, a bungling fool with a big ego and lacking the courage or ambition to play attacking and exciting rugby.

During the RWC I said that Rassie made some incredibly stupid and shortsighted decisions and I complained bitterly about the mindless kick-and-hope game plan.

Now it's after the World Cup is over and we have defended our title successfully and become the first team to win 4 titles.

I still find it hard to forgive Rassie for his embarrassing crybaby behaviour during the British Lions tour, I still think he lacks the courage or ambition to play attacking and exciting running rugby. I do believe he had the biggest and best pool of talent to choose from and nearly botched it and I still dislike his insatiable need to control everything . . . but (and this is a big "but") . . . I also said before the tournament started that if he won it, I would call him a rugby genius and that is what inspires this post.

I don't like Rassie. For me he has a big ego, he whines a lot, he uses a lot of foul language, he's abrasive and he generally behaves like a caricature of the arrogant dutchman . . . but he is a genius.

Rassie has two very good positive attributes. I've spoken about Rassie's skills as a motivator before but I don't believe that's "genius", it's more to do with the fact that he was a Springbok himself and a very good one at that so he commands respect from the players in his squad.

Rassie's genius is his ability to execute. We all have great plans and ideas but how often do we execute them? Rassie executes. He is the Elon Musk of rugby. That is Rassie's genius and don't forget, a poor plan is still better than no plan at all.

Well done Bokke! Well done Rassie Erasmus!




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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Dec 2024, 03:28
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28 Dec 2024, 03:28#32

How about that for grovelling  after favor, sheer hypocrisy and wisdom after the fact.

LMAOFY&Y&Y&Y&Y!

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Dec 2024, 06:39
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28 Dec 2024, 06:39#33
Ain't it funny how gravel and minds are so similar in where the collect relative to their size? The smallest bits always collecting at the bottom. Take this thread... The two small minds contributed nothing. They just turned up and showed how desperate they are and how inferior they feel. No thoughts, no ideas, no contribution. The bottom of the barrel.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
28 Dec 2024, 06:55
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28 Dec 2024, 06:55#34

Wehe! ROTFLMAO hehehe  putty between my fingers once again as I send the 'Ideas Chappie' into anooooother tailspin.

Oh by the by how's wunderkind 'Reesa'(sic) going? Any chance of making the next test!?

It's just a question.

hehehehehehe toooo funny!

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Dec 2024, 07:43
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28 Dec 2024, 07:43#35
"But I'm gonna guess that you'll put your girly tail between those girly legs and slink off. Or come up with some other garbage to try and save what little face you have." Note how Denise completely ignores the fact that she just made the most epic of blunders, and then does exactly as predicted. Suddenly we're talking about Reezer There's not a fiction writer, born from his mother, that could dream up these level of sheer fear and cowardice. I guess you don't wan to talk about Paterson's wickets any longer. You shameful coward. Whahahahaha!!!
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Dec 2024, 07:45
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28 Dec 2024, 07:45#36
How did Peterson get his wickets, at 125kms...if he didn't swing it? LMFAO!!! You actually thought this was a gotcha question. That was the laugh I needed. Thanks, Denise
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Dec 2024, 08:00
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28 Dec 2024, 08:00#37

".......but SA has more than enough talent to compete at the highest level.."


It has? Name those players. 


The talent pool/production line is still the same one which produced Polly, Graeme,  Dale, Kallis Klusener, Makaya, Philander, Donald...etc...etc...it's the management of the game that changed drastically with the influx of ANC kader scum...kick them out and see how fast things turn around.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Dec 2024, 08:13
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28 Dec 2024, 08:13#38
Draad, he's trying to ask you one of his stupid gotcha questions. He's not actually interested in your opinion. And it's obvious SA have the talent to compete at the Top level. Even more so now that we have a higher level of professionalism at schools, when it was already very good to start with, there is more money in the game and we have the previously disadvantaged groups also playing more cricket. Denise is a joke.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Dec 2024, 09:16
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28 Dec 2024, 09:16#39

Let's add to the massive embarrassment Denise is facing right now. 

Here is Paterson talking about his wickets after day 1.

Note, I asked ChatGPT what it means when in cricket when you say the ball is "nipping"...here is its response...

query - In cricket when you refer to the ball nipping, what does it mean?

Response - In cricket, when someone refers to the ball "nipping," they are describing the ball deviating slightly off the pitch after it bounces. This lateral movement can happen in two ways:

  1. Nipping Away: The ball moves away from the batter after pitching. For a right-handed batter, this would mean the ball moves toward the off-side.

  2. Nipping In: The ball moves into the batter after pitching. For a right-handed batter, this would mean the ball moves toward the leg-side.

Nipping is often caused by factors such as the seam position, the condition of the pitch, and how the bowler releases the ball. A bowler with a good wrist or seam position can make the ball nip unpredictably, making it challenging for batters to anticipate and play the delivery. It’s especially effective on pitches with some grass or moisture, which can grip the seam and amplify the movement.

Now, here is the interview with Paterson where they look at some of his wickets. Note how he says he was failing when he was "trying" to swing the ball. He says, "I was trying to swing the ball but here at the highveld, predominantly, you just need to hit the deck."

Absolutely embarrassing for old Denise who launches yet another failed attack and ends up looking like a complete an utter NOOB!!!

Whahahahahahahahaha!!!!



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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
28 Dec 2024, 12:25
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28 Dec 2024, 12:25#40

Draad

I wrote this on the 18/11 the post is still on this page.....

Well, I prefer not to think about our cricket it tears me apart specially if I think of what went before and compare it to what we have now. Houston fixed their problem CSA is beyond fixing. It seems like CSA is being run by drunks. 

I've also previously stated that in 30 plus years since readmission the country has only produced one black batsman when it is obvious that numerically there is bigger black player participation.

I also believe that the quality of coaching in all sports especially cricket has fallen away and I say this because too many have left the country only to become better players in their adopted country.

Paterson is an example of having played county cricket, in his own words, the bowling coach pulled him aside and ironed out a flaw in his action, Paterson claims to be better for it. Question is why didn't it happen at the franchise he was playing for in South Africa? Wasted years.

Then there is the issue of players starting their international careers in their late 20's or 30's.

Take Corbin Bosch for example, makes his test debut at age 30, he is sensational but it begs the question where has he been?

So ja I'm in total agreement that the likes of Nokwe and a bunch of fools in suits are totally clueless but in conclusion I believe there is more than one reason for cricket to have deescalated. CSA I hold responsible for not righting a sinking ship.

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