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Quinton de Kock, older wiser, and chilled

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Oct 2021, 10:28
#41
12 Oct 2021, 10:28#41
Hahahahahahahaha My goodness but you really are hanging around VisKop too much. Let’s pick the best bowler in the world…then the best batter…now the best all-rounder…right, only those three players are “world class” according to your moronically strict definition of “world class”. “As good as” = able to compete at the highest level. “Best” = Ranked or accepted by experts to be the #1 Let me demonstrate because you’re clearly stupid enough to need this… Was Gary Kirsten the best in his position - no. Was Garry Kirsten world class - absolutely. I could extrapolate further by asking you name 40 current world class players but this is already embarrassing enough for you. See how I happily oblige your idiotic folly with ease? Now, Reeza’s technique. Still can’t, huh?
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Oct 2021, 11:23
#42
12 Oct 2021, 11:23#42

Moron

It's not my "moronically strict" definition, it's the Oxford Dictionary definition. 

Won't admit to making an absolute Doos of yourself Huh? Paraded yourself as the resident cricket Guru.....now what...... Bwhahahahaha

Let go of  your ego, it's a car wreck, the way you're going it's not even good for spare parts.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Oct 2021, 12:15
#43
12 Oct 2021, 12:15#43

OMG!

this;

                            (of a person, thing, or activity) of or among the best in the world.


as opposed to;


                           (of a person, thing, or activity) of or among the best in the world.


It's not that difficult to understand. Well, perhaps through the ever crippeling lens of beta life, it may be.

I wonder if you think the dictionary throws extra words into definitions simply for a laugh?

You should stop hanging around VisKop and Rooi because you used to be a shadow of a man yet their proximity has managed to rob even that off of you. 

Now, you wanna start talking about, Reeza's technique, I'm ready....

"Neva gonna happen."



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Oct 2021, 08:55
#44
13 Oct 2021, 08:55#44
Shame Tante I take it that he penny finally dropped and after yelling “Egg! Egg! Egg!” you suddenly realise how stupid you look. Now worries, it’s not like you had much reputation to destroy anyway.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
15 Oct 2021, 10:47
#45
15 Oct 2021, 10:47#45
Haha the beta bitch refuses to return to the scene of her embarrassment. Ever hear the story of the black cat that only got bigger when the boy turned his back on it. Face your fears, tante. Hahaha
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
15 Oct 2021, 10:47
#46
15 Oct 2021, 10:47#46
Haha the beta bitch refuses to return to the scene of her embarrassment. Ever hear the story of the black cat that only got bigger when the boy turned his back on it. Face your fears, tante. Hahaha
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Oct 2021, 11:04
#47
15 Oct 2021, 11:04#47

DumbPlum you've been squawking and squeaking about Reeza like a stuffed pig all through this string....give me a break will you .......Reeza who? 

Why do you need my opinion  when you've adopted him as your pin-up boy? W hat does it matter what I think......and OBTW this time next year he won't be playing for the Proteas this is last stop saloon for your 32 year old soon to be retired no hoper. I can't believe you hold a high opinion of someone whose never played test cricket.......but then again that explains you.

Now run along....it was fun while it lasted.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
15 Oct 2021, 11:14
#48
15 Oct 2021, 11:14#48
Lolzzz More of the same. You’ve said that he’s not world class and to date, despite your many ridiculous beeps, all that you can muster is that he has played test cricket. You funny girl. PS I didn’t hear a thank you for helping to understand what the term “World Class” means.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Oct 2021, 11:45
#49
15 Oct 2021, 11:45#49

".... all that you can muster is that he has played test cricket."

No I haven't.

Get it right you dumb twat

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
15 Oct 2021, 12:14
#50
15 Oct 2021, 12:14#50

I'll leave my typo in there if it offers you a reprieve from the embarrassment.

Does it?

Hmmmmm?

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Oct 2021, 15:08
#51
15 Oct 2021, 15:08#51

A long time ago on this forum, I posted that Malcolm Marx was going to be a fantastic player..... one of the best in the world, and that he would become and remain a Springbok for a very long time... my words were actually that he would become another Springbok legend.

Whether he becomes another Springbok legend, still remains to be seen, but I believed it then, that he was a brilliant player, and I called it on this forum.

In other words, I rated him back then as "World Class", and this was before he was recognized as a national / international player...

I said the exact same thing about rating Rabada a very long time ago as well, on this forum and he has also turned out to be a fantastic player and ambassador for South African cricket.... he will also go down as a South African legend.

This complete and utter horseshit that you cannot rate a player as word class unless he has played at some sort of international level is both naïve and incredibly short sighted.

Thank fuck that people who think like this were never involved with selecting our players........ because imagine how many more would have ended up as Kolpak players, or just leaving SA to go and qualify for some other country... ala KP.

Stoopid


 

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Oct 2021, 20:08
#52
15 Oct 2021, 20:08#52

Uh-oh The cavalry has arrived here we go. So tell me how is Reeza Hendricks "World Class" based on the Oxford Dictionary definition and I quote  "(of a person, thing, or activity) of or among the best in the world" and that at an age when most batsman are at the point of retirement he has never played test cricket, has a "World Class" average of 28% in T20....and in 36 innings has a mere 7 half centuries to his name.

And if that's not Stooopid enough your mate selects a top 6 and leaves out  Rassie Van Der Dussen who has the higher average of 36%.

So further to my above question how exactly is an 28% average closer to "World Class" than 36%?



 



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Oct 2021, 09:42
#53
16 Oct 2021, 09:42#53
Hear that DA…you’re the cavalry. Not a rational person that obviously understands what the term world class means along with its undertones of subjectivity. No no…the cavalry. Alrhough, I’ll throw you a bone tante, I thought Reeza was a few years younger than 32. Was thinking he was around 28. In light of that, I’d probably I’d consider another bat. See, how non-betas behave? You should try it some time.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
18 Oct 2021, 08:07
#54
18 Oct 2021, 08:07#54

No Denny

It was this extremely stoopid comment from you, that actually prompted my response about playing at an international level....

"Let me school you again......Rickleton has not played at an international level"

David Warner had not even played one single first class match, never mind at an international level, but his "World Class" was clearly very evident, and in his first ever T20 for Australia, hit 89 off 43 balls against South Africa.

Warner then hit a very aggressive 69 in only his 2nd ODI for Australia against us.

David Warner is also now the most successful overseas batsman in the history of the IPL

Maybe now you will be honest enough to realize just how much of a stoopid comment that really was.... because you cannot always just judge a player based on his experience or performance at international level....

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
18 Oct 2021, 08:11
#55
18 Oct 2021, 08:11#55

"Hear that DA…you’re the cavalry

Not a rational person that obviously understands what the term world class means along with its undertones of subjectivity"

No rational person always waits for someone to go through the international stages of professional sport, to spot "World Class" talent / sports people....

That's what scouts are still used for today

Denny knows that he overstepped the required criteria here, by using that comment.... but will never admit it

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 Oct 2021, 11:54
#56
18 Oct 2021, 11:54#56

Throwing me a bone huh Plum......too funny.....it's your backhanded way of saying I've been right all along Hahaha no worries, I'll let it slide and move on. On a serious note I have nothing against Reeza Hendricks, he didn't select himself, my issue is with Boucher and the selectors for investing in him. My choice would have been Janneman Malan, I can only assume that he wasn't selected for two reasons....1) that he would have been surplus to requirements in that there'd be 4 opening batsmen and 2) Reeza met quota demands. TBH for the greater good of the team I wish him well.

I believe Boucher has stuffed up big time, the team lacks a specialist middle order batsman, this is a national side that has struggled with batting across all formats, in a classic case of "Houston we have a problem" Boucher has failed to step up. You'll be a brave man brave  to hang your shirt on Bavuma, Miller and Klaassen to bring home the bacon. Sincerely hope I'm mistaken. So all there is Quinton, Markram and Rassie van der Dussen.....you tell me. They've also selected 4 spinners, Shamsi, Maharaj, Linde and Fortuin......why? Added to that there is Markram who is a useful spinner. Surely that's surplus to requirements and one of them could have made way for a specialist middle order batsman????

To answer your question about Reeza's technique...... I've seen very little of his batting but the little I did see and perhaps my comment is unfair I thought his technique was ok but suited to test cricket not the short format which begs the question as to why he hasn't played any test cricket. As a matter of fact I thought his technique is classic perhaps too classic for the shortened formats of the game.

The big one starts on Saturday with the Proteas vs Oz. I don't rate the Ozzie T20 side so the game should give us a fair idea of the Proteas. I know the Proteas have worked hard for this championship but will that be enough, I would have been comfortable with 6 specialist batsman. Then there is Wiaan Mulder, if it was my choice he'd go in everything.

Oh, just noticed there's an echo in the room begging for attention. 

Enjoy the tournament and let's hope that the boys have a bit of luck and bring home the championships. Any trophy is a good trophy even if it's T20 hahahhahahaa

Go Reeza!


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Oct 2021, 00:10
#57
20 Oct 2021, 00:10#57

And predictably De “Ock was chilled against Afghanistan.Who?Afghanistan!

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Oct 2021, 10:08
#58
20 Oct 2021, 10:08#58
Ja Tante, I’ve also given up on Klaasen. I’ve never had much faith in Bavuma other than the speculative type and which was largely based on one innings against Sri Lanka. Since then he’s been an abject failure…but in SA, those are the guys we make captain. Miller I don’t agree on. He has BMT and we only need him to come good in one of the 3 final games. My feeling is that Markram should be moved to the middle order…perhaps 5. Yeah, it’s a mystery why Jannas isn’t in the side. Perhaps there’s a twist in the tail with an injury replacement near the business end of the competition. I wouldn’t put it past a Smith and Boucher to pull a Rassie type move like this. Wishful thinking, of course. I think we should play as many slow bowlers as possible. Based on what they did to Sri Lanka, our spin variety is making it very tough for teams to settle. Pace off the ball seems to be the play in T20…something I wrote about months back. For some time now I’ve been thinking that it’s better to take pace off the ball during the power plays and have the seamers operate when it’s easier to defend the boundaries behind square on both sides. I’ve watched a fair bit of Reeza and for me his biggest failure is that when he drives through the off, he opens up his shoulders too early and tends to tilt his head back. Watching him and AB play a cover drive side by side one can clearly see the difference. Other than that, he’s solid and has a beast of a straight drive as well as nice or as you said " classic" footwork.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
20 Oct 2021, 11:05
#59
20 Oct 2021, 11:05#59

When we criticize certain rugby players for the style or way that they play, it is never fully justified to do that, because one never really knows what the coach / team orders are or were at the time..... you play to those rules, or face the certain possibility of getting dropped for someone who will listen. 

The same goes with our cricket.... Nobody will really know what Smith or Boucher have had to contend with because of these ridiculously stupid quotas and other internal factors that they have to toe the line for, every day....

Faf and Tahir are not even in our world cup T20 squad..... and please don't think for one second that this was a deliberate move by Boucher.... I don't for a single second believe that at all.... he knows exactly what class and experience these 2 guys bring, especially coming off a recent IPL win with Chennai as well.

Just look at the recent shit with Dale Steyn's tweet, when Cricket SA only congratulated Ngidi on his IPL win.... but not Faf, the 2nd highest run scorer in the whole season this year.....or Tahir..... it is fucking clear as day where Cricket SA's loyalty and allegiance lies, and it is not with white players. 

Even Faf replied to this tweet from SA Cricket with "Really ????"

Far too much political shit always goes on behind the scenes, and if you don't bow to the pressure from the politicians......you lose your job..... or get moved / re-assigned..

I am not saying Boucher has done a great job.... but I am saying that one should not put all the blame on him, when we have zero idea of what goes on behind the scenes...  only what eventually or finally gets leaked to the press... which is still very little in the bigger scheme of SA Cricket

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
20 Oct 2021, 13:01
#61
20 Oct 2021, 13:01#61

Lol....  ja Plum

Then just a little further down, a user called Tarak Nath posts the original post from Cricket SA about just Ngidi...

Then another poster says.... "AB too"..

LMFAO... too funny

Just shows what the mentality is of these guys at SA Cricket.....imagine what really transpires behind these closed doors.....

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Oct 2021, 16:28
#62
20 Oct 2021, 16:28#62

No doubt DA every one of our teams is the best subject to certain constraints. Given the naturally best team which is totally diverse, one wonders why all the pressure… is the bitterness complex still so massive.

And Rabada just bowls Barbar with a brilliant Yorker making the point.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Oct 2021, 19:20
#63
21 Oct 2021, 19:20#63

"is the bitterness complex still so massive"

Yes...it's a sad day when spite is your only recourse...

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Nov 2021, 04:48
#64
14 Nov 2021, 04:48#64

Back to the top with this one….actually it should just stay there so we can learn from Quisling’s great sense of timing. 

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