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Second test against the Windies

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jun 2021, 16:38
#1
18 Jun 2021, 16:38#1

Same team as played in the in the 1st Test.


Markram out for a duck in the first over bowled by the Windies.   Bad start,      

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jun 2021, 18:10
#2
18 Jun 2021, 18:10#2

SA now 37/3   = Petersen out for 7 runs and  Van der Duseen for 4.   

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
18 Jun 2021, 21:28
#3
18 Jun 2021, 21:28#3

Well this is more like the Proteas performance thus far.

Was the first test just a dream for all us Saffers?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jun 2021, 22:01
#4
18 Jun 2021, 22:01#4

Hold your horses...we've got this.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Jun 2021, 09:58
#5
19 Jun 2021, 09:58#5

218-5...Thanks to a hard worked for 77 by Elgar and Quintie going well at 59...Verrynne's 27 was crucial too...we'll know how good or bad it was when the Windies have batted.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jun 2021, 16:26
#6
19 Jun 2021, 16:26#6

Elgar is much derided. But when the going gets rough he is often the only performer. De Ock looking good at 6, at least against the Windies. Verrynne not living up to the hype.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jun 2021, 18:02
#7
19 Jun 2021, 18:02#7

There must have been 60 balls that went passed his bat edge of his bat within a centimeter,  and he made  77 times from 237 balls/    The  much more maligned  De Kock is still batting and has now 87 rims from - 10 runs more facing 98 balls less.   He is  totally unreliable of course.          

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jun 2021, 18:04
#8
19 Jun 2021, 18:04#8

There must have been 60 balls that went passed his bat edge of his bat within a centimeter,  and he made  77 times from 237 balls/    The  much more maligned  De Kock is still batting and has now 87  - 10 runs more facing 98 balls less.   He is  totally unreliable of course.          

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jun 2021, 18:09
#9
19 Jun 2021, 18:09#9

’He made 77 from 237 balls’….says Pervert …..revealing yet again his total ignorance on matters cricket.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jun 2021, 19:25
#10
19 Jun 2021, 19:25#10

Do you know anything at all about cricket, - dimness,?    By the way according to you there should be an enquiry why your suggestion that Klaasen must replace De Kock and that was not followed up by SAC,    After all years ago you claimed   you  see things in sport that other experts fail to see.           

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jun 2021, 21:43
#11
19 Jun 2021, 21:43#11
Yes unlike you, I played the game.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jun 2021, 02:12
#12
20 Jun 2021, 02:12#12

When did that miracle happen?     For which club did you play?   Stop polluting the Board with your BS.    

    

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Jun 2021, 10:07
#13
20 Jun 2021, 10:07#13

The Windies need to be bumped down a Tier.

...or perhaps not. Everyone needs a punching bag sometimes, like SA do right now.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Jun 2021, 11:19
#14
20 Jun 2021, 11:19#14

Yes Plum, a short tour of the Islands is probably just what the doctor ordered for this young team. I like the balance of the current team...if we can build a bit from here, who knows? Elgar and vd Dussen won't be there for much longer, but hopefully long enough to guide the youngsters into a place of confidence.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
20 Jun 2021, 20:46
#15
20 Jun 2021, 20:46#15

It appears that the selectors have the confidence in their selections but the players selected don`t have any confidence in their ability to deliver the performance required at test cricket..

Markram faces six balls in two innings as an opener for a combined total of four runs which must have come of a lucky edge.

He has been a total disaster for SA at international level.

Petersen and Verreynne  received 108 deliveries for a combined total of  33 runs. Where do these two guys play their local cricket in SA.

Appears to be Prieska and Poffadder!

Just think of this the SACB had the cheek to ask de Villers to make himself available for selection with these players. No wonder he declined....would you have made yourself available if you were in his shoes.

A total disgrace to SA cricket and all the hard work and efforts of bygone players and results.

Sign of the times in RSA I guess.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jun 2021, 03:07
#16
21 Jun 2021, 03:07#16

Classical Ock…two strong knocks and then a duck. Six is the right place for him and he will score some runs for you if the ball isn’t moving. But not if the pressure is on. 

I’m not sure if Verrynne will score runs against the Southern Stars. Who was it who demanded the head of the coach if he didn’t select this dud?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jun 2021, 08:41
#17
21 Jun 2021, 08:41#17

Better than  2 dud scores and a good one by  Elgar with an average of  29 runs scored in 3 innings  as against an average of  118,5 runs in three innings by De Kock,   What a  raving  piss brain we have here on site.    

         

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
21 Jun 2021, 12:43
#18
21 Jun 2021, 12:43#18

Question.....should Verry nne be dropped from the squad?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jun 2021, 13:52
#19
21 Jun 2021, 13:52#19

If you take the Kallis example who had no scores higher than 15 runs in his first 10 tests the answer is NO,   He must get further tests in other pitch conditions to determine whether he should be retained or not.   None of the other batsmen  bar De Kock were really roaring successes in the West Indies anyway.

We will have to wait and see what  the braindead selectors do though,       

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jun 2021, 17:38
#20
21 Jun 2021, 17:38#20
Now we have to persevere with Verrynne because he was finally selected? I say we were right not selecting the dud.
As for your lies…..Kallis had a score of 61 in Rawalpindi against Pakistan and a score of 101 against Australia in Melbourne …..all in his first 10 tests.
You lie and you trust nobody will figure it out, because that’s how it went down in the Provincial Administration. Stop the lying you disgusting Old Tart.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Jun 2021, 18:29
#21
21 Jun 2021, 18:29#21

"Now we have to persevere with Verrynne because he was finally selected? I say we were right not selecting the dud."


Wow, Moz, that's a bit premature...calling the kid a dud after 2 tests? I'd say his first class record is good enough to give him a few more opportunities...it's not like Bavuma is sitting on a stack of runs to force back his spot in the side.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jun 2021, 18:57
#22
21 Jun 2021, 18:57#22

Piss brain

Kallis started his test career against England on 1995 and the matches  you refer to was not in  his first 10 tests  for SA,    

His first Test appearance was on 14–18 December 1995 against England in Durban, but he struggled with the bat in his first few matches. Kallis made his World Cup debut in  1996 in Pakistan but did not have much opportunity to excel.[22] His breakthrough came in 1997, with 61 against Pakistan, and then two matches later, he salvaged a draw for South Africa with a fighting century against Australia at the Melbourne Cricket Ground.[23]     

The Pakistani test and the Menbourne  one  was in fact two years after he started playing test cricket om SA,   When did your brain become disfinctiona?      

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jun 2021, 20:08
#23
21 Jun 2021, 20:08#23

Liar…..dishonest prick…..here are his first 10 tests straight from ESPN cricket stats guru

Bat Av100WktsBBIBowl Av5CtStAve Diffoverall1995-20131661328922455.37452926/5432.655200022.71ProfileMatch by match listBat1Bat2RunsWktsConcCtStOppositionGroundStart Date1-1--00v EnglandDurban14 Dec 1995Test # 13187DNB70210v EnglandCape Town2 Jan 1996Test # 13216394515400v AustraliaJohannesburg28 Feb 1997Test # 135602244700v AustraliaPort Elizabeth14 Mar 1997Test # 13602DNB203300v AustraliaCenturion21 Mar 1997Test # 136261-6123600v PakistanRawalpindi6 Oct 1997Test # 1380151011160500v AustraliaMelbourne26 Dec 1997Test # 139216456103000v AustraliaSydney2 Jan 1998Test # 139315153026510v AustraliaAdelaide30 Jan 1998Test # 139715DNB1525800v PakistanJohannesburg14 Feb 1998Test # 1400
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jun 2021, 20:09
#24
21 Jun 2021, 20:09#24

Apologize…no don’t apologize take the deep dive like the coward you are.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
21 Jun 2021, 21:04
#25
21 Jun 2021, 21:04#25

Well a win is a win I guess.

Rabada was excellent in his opening spell this morning, his two early wickets set the WI up for defeat.

That Dolphins spinner  took a HATRIC and deserved it with his stats for this test.....excellent bowling M.

But two tests up against perhaps the weakest West Indies side ever proves nothing except it was a training tour for some SA players to perhaps build some confidence.

The batting performance from some of the more experienced players demonstrates that they are out of their league at test level.

Fragile batting line up at best with Markram's failure at opening once more placing enormous pressure on the newer members who follow him at bat and does not allow them to settle in and perform as they are perhaps capable of with the bat.  

But considering everything I suppose the SACB will be thrilled with the two wins.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jun 2021, 21:13
#26
21 Jun 2021, 21:13#26
You are indeed a dishonest and stinking fart - Kallis played in all the tests  against  England  in 1995\96 and  against  other countries as well later in 1996 as well,    Cjeck whether Ka;;os was ever dropped from the team in 1996.     Even Wikipedia said he was disappointing  in his initial tests.    Leaving out the 1996 and  leaving out the December-Januiary tests in 1996\97 is a joke in  bad taste as well.   Try again  please, and try and be honest for a change,.        
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jun 2021, 22:18
#27
21 Jun 2021, 22:18#27
Match Date:30th November, 1995Series Batting & Bowling AnalysisVenue:Wanderers Stadium, JohannesburgMatch Conditions:Day MatchPartnershipsToss:EnglandResult:Match drawnPlayers of Match:Michael Atherton, Jack RussellVideo Clips:View video clips for this Match
South Africa 1st InningsRBF4s6sSR     % of TotalAndrew Hudsonc Stewart b Cork 0 27 0 00.00Gary Kirstenc †Russell b Malcolm 110 241 16 045.64 33.13%Hansie Cronje*c †Russell b Cork 35 51 6 068.63 10.54%Daryll Cullinanc †Russell b Hick 69 128 10 053.91 20.78%Jonty Rhodesc †Russell b Cork 5 14 0 035.71 1.51%Brian McMillanlbw b Cork 35 70 7 050.00 10.54%David Richardson†c †Russell b Malcolm 0 3 0 00.00Shaun Pollockc Smith b Malcolm 33 45 0 073.33 9.94%Clive Eksteenc †Russell b Cork 13 38 1 034.21 3.92%Meyrick Pringlenot out 10 10 2 0100.00 3.01%Allan Donaldb Malcolm 0 3 0 00.00Extras(b 1, lb 14, w 2, nb 5)22 TotalAll Out   (104.0 overs @ 3.19 rpo)332  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jun 2021, 22:19
#28
21 Jun 2021, 22:19#28
te:27th November, 1996Series Batting & Bowling AnalysisVenue:Eden Gardens, KolkataMatch Conditions:Day MatchPartnershipsToss:South AfricaResult:South Africa won by 329 runsPlayer of Match:Gary KirstenVideo Clips:View video clips for this Match


South Africa 1st InningsRBF4s6sSR     % of TotalAndrew Hudsonb Prasad 146 244 24 059.84 34.11%Gary Kirstenb Srinath 102 170 14 060.00 23.83%Herschelle Gibbslbw b Prasad 31 112 7 027.68 7.24%Daryll Cullinanlbw b Prasad 43 80 7 053.75 10.05%Hansie Cronje*c †Mongia b Srinath 4 18 1 022.22 0.93%Brian McMillanlbw b Prasad 0 2 0 00.00David Richardson†not out 36 60 4 060.00 8.41%Lance Klusenerb Prasad 10 20 1 050.00 2.34%Pat Symcoxb Prasad 13 21 0 161.90 3.04%Allan Donaldc Laxman b Kumble 0 2 0 00.00Paul Adamsb Kumble 4 8 0 050.00 0.93%Extras(b 6, lb 24, nb 9)39 TotalAll Out
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jun 2021, 22:23
#29
21 Jun 2021, 22:23#29

Same old stuff from the pervert…..big mouth lie, more lies covering the original lie, denial of facts eg the ESPN records, insults.

Low class stuff from an uneducated government employee.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jun 2021, 08:53
#30
22 Jun 2021, 08:53#30

The fact is piss brain - you are the greatest BSter ever contributing to any site like this ever and it was pointed out that Kallis test career started on 18   December 1995 and you were asked to be HONEST about it and you as expected  FAILED  again.     

After 18 December 1995  Kallis played in every test  involving SA  and was never dropped frtom the team after that.    The 1sst test you quoted  above were in fact two years later,  = sdp ru ahain piss brain.            

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jun 2021, 09:00
#31
22 Jun 2021, 09:00#31

Same old debris  of lies and  misrepresentation.   - Kallis first test was on 18 DECEMBER  1995 nd you were asked to be HONEST nest about it for a change -  and as expected  you FAILED again by quoting  tests played BEFORE that date,      

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Jun 2021, 11:32
#32
22 Jun 2021, 11:32#32

Verryenne is a "Dud" ?

Why?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Jun 2021, 12:16
#33
22 Jun 2021, 12:16#33

Because Maaik is punting him.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Jun 2021, 15:03
#34
22 Jun 2021, 15:03#34

No…..Kallis’ test career started on Dec 14 1995, just as the ESPN table which I produced above shows. In his first 10 tests he registered  a 101 against Australia in Melbourne and a 61 against Pakistan in Rawalpindi. 


You blathered out ‘if you take the Kallis example who had no scores higher than 15 runs in his first 10 tests’….hoping nobody would fact check you.

I did ….you lied. Correct your lie.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Jun 2021, 15:13
#35
22 Jun 2021, 15:13#35

Ou Draad can’t you be honest for once on this Board and admit Ou Maaik is lying through his teeth.

Verrynne has been hopelessly hyped….his absence the reason we aren’t winning….evidence of an incompetent coaching staff. To me he looks marginal at best. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jun 2021, 15:53
#36
22 Jun 2021, 15:53#36

It must be terrible for the liar to be caught out time and time again for what he really is - a rotten idiot who oppose players purely because of prejudice.  He attacked De Kock for failure because he did not make runs in one of the three innings he batted in - but praise Elgar for making two flops in three innings.   Typical BS on his part.   

His attacks on De Kock started in 2013 and I think his attacks on Verreynne will follow the same route,   What a farce his  contributions are  anyway,    The prize in cricket was his insistence that De Kock must be replaced by Klaasen - typical farcical BS.      .   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Jun 2021, 20:40
#37
22 Jun 2021, 20:40#37

I thought not….you can’t take Bellville out the boy.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jun 2021, 22:58
#38
22 Jun 2021, 22:58#38

Bellville out of whom?.    

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
23 Jun 2021, 00:25
#39
23 Jun 2021, 00:25#39

Mozart

It seems as if you've missed my question so let me ask you again.

You've dismissed Kyle Verryenne as a "Dud"? 

I'm curious as to your reason(s) why?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jun 2021, 00:51
#40
23 Jun 2021, 00:51#40

Perhaps a bit harsh…..but for somebody who was so hyped his 39 runs in 3 innings against average test bowling is hardly encouraging. 

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