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The Proteas' West Indies delusionary bubble bursts

Started by Mozart10 REPLIES605 VIEWS· 22 Feb 2015, 23:45
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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Feb 2015, 23:45
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22 Feb 2015, 23:45#1

De Kock looked like a deer in the headlights....Duminy bowled a series of long hops that Oz or NZ would have killed....Parnell was a massive liability with the ball.....Duminy, credited with steady nerves, played a silly shot when he was the last hope. Miller was very fortunate not to be out LBW before he ran himself out. A gutless mess.

 

I hope we get it and play competitors in the RWC.

 

 

I'm horribly afraid we are going to bring Abott in for Philander and leave to de Kock to start the innings. He should be our number 7 bat....and could have been if SA cricket had made an attempt to get Kallis to play.

 

Only Faf, Amla and AB looked comfortable at the crease....only Tahir, Morkel and Steyn looked comfortable with the ball.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Feb 2015, 10:44
#2
23 Feb 2015, 10:44#2
 They weree stxupid not to get Kallis back. Wou ld have liked to see a skifull off spinner like Harmer in the mix.Agee re De kock he should be at 7.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Feb 2015, 11:24
#3
23 Feb 2015, 11:24#3

What a load of crap, JP was one of our better bowlers, went for less than most. The Indians are the best players of spin, so Oz and NZ are less equipped to play him.

 

Miller looked very good but like AB got himself run out.

 

de Kock needs to move down to 7 with Roussouw opening. JP as I have said all along is more than capable of bowling 10. 

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
23 Feb 2015, 12:20
#4
23 Feb 2015, 12:20#4
SA winning the toss would have made no difference...unless of course we chose to bat first....which would have been better...WC's and chasing are not our strong points...we are better at putting pressure when on the other foot...Saffex you're right, with India the best players of spin...senseless to use spin and not seamers and pacers against them...300 odd runs was too much when you get unnecessary and irresponsible run outs...this type of game you don't win but sneaking the odd run here and there, it's simply not worth the risk...the openers have to quickly get their "eye-in" earlier play good balls defensively and correctly and punish bad balls to the boundary...run outs are inexcusable...middle order is to add stability and balance to the finish...after 7 , there's no blaming but the top order.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Feb 2015, 15:15
#5
23 Feb 2015, 15:15#5

As usual we can't face facts.....Duminy was not flighting the ball but dragging it down as the commentators said. He only bowled 7 overs, mostly when India were still defensive.....and was still expensive. He can't bowl 10 overs against Oz or NZ.

 

 

As for Miller, he is a better bet than de Kock who doesn't get his right foot anywhere near the ball....Miller at least is technically sound....but he still lived a charmed life and was certainly lbw a few balls before the run out. He should be at 6 and de Kock should be at 7 or 8. Better yet we don't need de Kock, AB should keep in the big games.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Feb 2015, 17:07
#6
23 Feb 2015, 17:07#6

Rubbish Miller should be at 5 where he belongs, he was not beaten, he was run out.

 

JP bowled flatter for a reason and it worked, he went for 5.5, better than Morkel or Parnell and the same as Steyn and you are trying to tell us he is not up to it ......the Indians are the best players of spin, so why on earth would Oz or NZ do better against JP.......that makes no sense at all.

 

As per usual you are wrong re JP and he keeps proving you wrong. In two games he has bowled well 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Feb 2015, 19:25
#7
23 Feb 2015, 19:25#7
He was beaten ...the ball was going to hit the top of middle....the umpire got it wrong and India never appealed. He was more out than  Philander. As for Duminy he  is an accident waiting to happen as a bowler....it would have happened yesterday if he bowled in the meat of the innings and completed his spell. 
Miller should be at 6 and Duminy can bowl three over spells when the going is good....but that only masks that a different bowler could have done better. He can't be the fifth bowler...that belief of yours is nonsense.
AG
AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
23 Feb 2015, 20:53
#8
23 Feb 2015, 20:53#8
JP, Steyn and Tahir bowled well. AB is a phenomenal player but his captaincy leaves a lot to be desired. When we should have been building pressure on the Indians our field placings were a travesty.
Moz, with all due respect, JP is a very capable bowler. As a fifth bowler, you don't have to be a wicket taker, just someone who can hold down an end and Duminy has a career economy rate of just 5 which is very good. In fact the last Parnell over should have gone to him, it was clear that Wayne's confidence was shot to pieces and that our spinners were doing an excellent containing job. Unfortunately another example where AB could have made a better choice.
Hopefully we learn from this, we're badly missing someone like Ryan McLaren who could give a bit of grit. And I think we'll regret Abbot's inclusion in the squad instead of the likes of De Lange.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Feb 2015, 21:07
#9
23 Feb 2015, 21:07#9
Oh what bullshit. Miller is averaging over 50 batting at 5 so why on earth would you want to drop him down the order. That makes as much sense as the rubbish regarding JP against Oz and NZ after passing the test against the best players of spin in the game.
So JP has a career average of around 5 per over and he is an accident waiting to happen. Moz cricket is clearly not a strength of yours. You are smarting as he keeps proving you wrong. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Feb 2015, 22:31
#10
23 Feb 2015, 22:31#10
Against the West Indies and Zumbabwe. Dave don't forget you are the guy who trashed Faf....hey? Great call ......hahahahaha.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Feb 2015, 11:05
#11
24 Feb 2015, 11:05#11

Nope I have never trashed Faf that is simply not true. I had reservations about him at the start given his strange technique but he proved me wrong much like Philander did with his medium pace.

 

I do prefer the more talented bats like de Kock, Rossouw, Kallis, Miller, v/Zyl, JP, AB and Amla....but there is always a place for the less technically gifted fighters like Faf and Graeme Smith who keep producing the goods.

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