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The suggested team for the second test against SriLanka

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2021, 12:53
#41
02 Jan 2021, 12:53#41

It  is weird how the SA media  mixed up players when forecasting teams,  In one article they stated that Stuurman  is injured and released from the squad - in another they claimed that Stuurman is a candidate for selection at Wanderers.

In another newspaper report they claimed there was unhappiness about the bowling when the bowlers gave away 396 runs in the first innings against SL - but was much better ion the second innings,   Yet they say that Henriks after testing negative is back with the squad and he is a candidate as well,   Hendriks is not a test level bowler an to my mind kaksleg - the worst SA Bowler I have ever seen playing in tests,   

The one article clam that Rabada is back in ths quad and may be considered to play - the other said even though he is in the squad,    Yesterday there was an article that referred to SA may not use spin in the Wanderers test - in another the idea was opposed.

In the latest reports there is no reference that M Pretorius is still in the squad - but he was in the squad and there was no report on his release from the squad, 

Bad news is that Van Tonder injured a finger in the match practice on Friday and will return  to the Knights for rehabilitation.    So Rassie van der Dusen is possibly play unless they decide to use Verreinne in his place.   Van Tonder could have been tested before the Aussies arrive and now will have to be in the squad to be announced against the Aussies as a newbie.  That will apply to Vereinne as well - so they might let him play.

Will the 6:1 factor kick in with regard to the batsmen in  the SA side?  ,  

                

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2021, 14:30
#42
02 Jan 2021, 14:30#42
Mike you are speaking utter shit Nothing has to be done to Sipamla as a bowler other than him spending time playing at the highest level and gaining confidence at that level and with that will come the confidence to bowl with more freedom and with that more pace But not a bad start for the lad given he took 6 wickets on debut, more than any of the established bowlers in the side You clearly know fuck all about cricket if you think certain front line bowlers in a team are not used against batsmen Imagine selecting a bowler you only employ against tail enders - fuck me what a preposterous idea Do you actually believe the garbage you write?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2021, 15:27
#43
02 Jan 2021, 15:27#43

So he is one professional sportsman in the world  that does not need professional coaching - amazing!!!!!!!!!!

I do not write garbage - I wrote what is factual and has been proved by the sequence of events in selecting the squad - by media reports of actual statements made by Boucher and De Kock  -  by comments made by the surprised Haysman on the Sipamla selection to the team - by the fact that Sipamla was not used in the test after a very poor start in the first innings until late in each innings.

You made all kinds of unproved allegations like after he was spoken to by the coach and the captain about his bowling De Kock was a shit captain because he kept Sipamla from bowling  - while the decisionmaker in this case was no doubt  Boucher and not De Kock.    Furthermore you have no proof that it was Smith and Boucher who insisted  on Sipamla be called up to the squad despite a disastrous performance against the English team less than a month ago. Your assumptions are not based on any factual proof   and is based on wild hallucinations to pr oof your statements on site,

Sorry Dave - I would always  support a younger player who can make a longer term contribution to the team - and would like to see people develop in a positive way - but you shout what you think and not very accurately either eg the 150 km bowling pace of Sipamla. myth,    

       

  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2021, 16:48
#44
02 Jan 2021, 16:48#44
So Mike what possibly do you think a coach could do to a player say like Sipamla who has probably been bowling with that same almost perfect action since he was 5? There is quite a lot of small changes you can make to a bat but not the case when it comes to a bowler. Much of what happens is about learning where to bowl, how to bowl variation balls and by strengthening, increase the pace. Small tweaks are possible but once you reach that level as a sportsman be it cricket or rugby - coaches don’t coach you, they direct you with reference to plans Hell my son is a full time rugby coach and he coaches a university first team. Do you think he coaches skills? No he expects his players by now to know how to pass, tackle, scrum and side step etc. Coaches don’t coach skills, they might refine certain skills but you will never have to coach a guy like Pollard at this stage on how to pass for instance. It is a fact that I have seen Sipamla bowl a 146kph ball playing for the SA u19 side on a flat wicket and seen footage of him bowling 150kph Hardly surprising given he was not putting his back into any of the balls he bowled in the last test and still bowled a 142kph ball But I guess you are too stupid to realise that another 8kph is not achievable by the young lad with that perfect action?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2021, 17:51
#45
02 Jan 2021, 17:51#45

The perfect action without accuracy is a major problem and  Sipamla siffered badly from poor direction and things like pace variation, length of deliveries, etc,  

You were wavering about the pace of 150 and could not answer Chippo,   IN the SL test Sipamla was widely inaccurate and easy to hit  - after the interview with Boucher and kept out of bowling until near the end of the first innings - when he came back bowling much slower and more accurately,  The four wickkets was onviously not enough to keep hoim from bowling against the top SL batxmen.    When he came on in the second innings he was back he was expected to sbiowl to tailenders and it worked quite well.

So Sipamla needs to  be dealt with carefully - the Aussie  batsmen will creating havic when facing him = so he needs some refining  to get him to be a top class bowler. 

   

    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jan 2021, 18:38
#46
02 Jan 2021, 18:38#46

Looks from the numbers as if Sipamla is expensive, Ock failed again and Faf remains our best bat.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2021, 19:14
#47
02 Jan 2021, 19:14#47

Faf had his one good innings in seven when he faced a reduced due to injury bowling attack,   U think the 1:6  factor will apply to him = so l;ets wait and see what happens in the test tomorrow and the upcoming three tests against Australia in February.   

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2021, 23:47
#48
02 Jan 2021, 23:47#48
Moz if you had actually watched the test you would have realised that Sipamla was stupidity given the new ball on debut when they had Ngidi and Nortje to call on to open. Sipamla was expensive in his first spell but actually did not bowl that badly, he was just unlucky with edges through vacant slip fielders and the odd ball an over that was slightly off line on middle to leg stump that got clipped through the off side for 4’s. To his credit he came back after lunch and took 3 wickets for 10 runs ending on 4 wickets in the innings. Then in the second innings we mysteriously did not see him bowl for ages thanks to some stupid captaincy by the inept leader that is de Kock. He bowled Mulder for 9 overs in a row before eventually bringing on Sipamla who took another 2 wickets ending on 6, the most by any SA bowler - not bad for a youngster on debut Listen here dumbfuck Mike what part of my response to Chip did you not understand. I said I saw a 146kph ball at u19 level and another at 150kph which I thought was in a 4 day game. I certainly don’t recall the exact game you stupid prick but I saw it. I don’t give a fuck whether you believe me or not but don’t come on here telling me I struggled to respond to Chip you fucking prick
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jan 2021, 01:33
#49
03 Jan 2021, 01:33#49

Still ignoring the fact that De Kock was obviously following instructions not to use Sipamla against the top batsmen of the SL team since they would gave taken him to the cleaners, with higher runs scored,  

Remember -it was within a month after Sipamla was cut to pieces by the English  batsmen.    

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Jan 2021, 13:02
#50
03 Jan 2021, 13:02#50

Mulder...lol...Ou Mike knows F-all about cricket.......not saying Oom Maaik is a top pundit, but Mulder isn't looking half shabby ATM...one swallow doesn't ...,  but methinks we'll see a lot more of Mulder in the future.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Jan 2021, 16:05
#51
03 Jan 2021, 16:05#51
Draad wake the fuck up. I at no point said Mulder was crap, I said he was yet to convince me he was good I’m starting to see the value in him This is about how utterly ignorant dumb Mike is when it comes to Sipamla
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Jan 2021, 07:41
#52
04 Jan 2021, 07:41#52

I was just having a bit of fun...

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Jan 2021, 08:37
#53
04 Jan 2021, 08:37#53

So who gets dropped for Kagiso when he returns?

On form, you have to say Sipamla but in reality two tests against poor opposition doesn't provide much evidence. Still wiser to select on talent at this point. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Jan 2021, 09:28
#54
04 Jan 2021, 09:28#54

Plum

I am going to make a few suggestions as to what comes next - bit Dave will have a fit anyway,    

I think the players who are in danger when Rabada returns are Ngidi or Sipamla.   I yesterday  made a note of the pace of each ball bowled by Ngidi and Sipamla.   In the case of all the balls bowled by Ngidi of his the deliveries ibn his firt three iovers - only three was rather close to the wickets and the batsmen did not have had to play at them,    Most of the balls bowled by the two were in the range 127 to 137 kph - the 137 kph balls were both bowled by Sipamla and was not very threatening either,  

They were at their best when bowling balls at between 127 and 133 kph - the faster balls were no really effective - the slower balls more so,  

The problem with Ngidi is - his effectiveness anished after he bowled 3 or 4 overs and then becomes very expensive.    The next assignment is a visit to Pakistan \ where sub-continent pitches plays a major role as well.   So what happened to Ngidi in the IPL in 2020?   He has been on contract to play for the Chennai Super Kings for years and   one would have expected him to playa  frontline role in their attack,   He in fact only featured in 2 of the 14 games played by the franchise,   Looks like he has either carrying an injury or is not really fit enough to perform consistently on the high level required,

On the whole Ngidi was magic  when he came on the scene and is just not magic anymore,   So my preference would be Sipamla to go to Pakistan.

However the situation is not good - the team needs back-uo in bioth Separments - eg battibng and bowling and there is none at present,   Players like -

*   M Pretorius should be included in the squad as a bowling all=rounder; and

*   Van Tonder and Verreinne should go to back up the batsmen.

Of the above Verreinne played in a few ODI's - but none of them ever played in tests,  Unfortun ately Van Tonder was injured - otherwise he might have played in the second  test against SL.   I would rather see him batting than Van der Dussen who will not be successful on sub-continent pitches,             

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Jan 2021, 12:20
#55
04 Jan 2021, 12:20#55

Elgar survied the 6:1 factor - but it bit Du Plessis hard,  

I am disappointed by the batting of both Merkram and De Kock - they have it in them to do much better than they did,    De Kock could havebeen out earlier.  because he edged the ball that narrowly missed the stumps and he also had a bottom edge going to the keeper along the ground,   He did not judge the whole story by edging the ball when eh was caught,- bad effort on his part.

        

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Jan 2021, 14:51
#56
04 Jan 2021, 14:51#56
It’s obvious that when Rabada returns, Sipamla will be dropped Ngidi has long proved himself and has nothing more to prove It’s good to know we have Sipamla to add depth to our bowling unit Rabada, Ngidi and Nortje are our front line seamers Mulder looks handy enough as a bowler but remains unconvincing as a bat. He needs to improve in this department if he wants to cement his place in the side. At this stage I prefer Andile
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Jan 2021, 15:29
#57
04 Jan 2021, 15:29#57

I hope they do what Chennai Super Kings did and drop Ngidi,   He has problems with his bowling and is nothing more than a medium pacer and has nothiug else to bring as a bowler to the party,

We all know Mulder is an all-rounder,  They should drop Ngidi and retain Supamla.   Maybe tht would get Ngidi to concentrate on his trainings schedule and gets fit - he cannot bowl more than 3 overs without becoming very inaccurate and expensive after that..   Patently not fit at all. 

His worth as a bowler in the team has declined in leaps and bounce since he hit the scene and was extremely good,   At this stage he is way below Mulder as a bowler.                 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Jan 2021, 16:16
#58
04 Jan 2021, 16:16#58
Rubbish Ngidi is a class bowler - moves the ball off the pitch both ways and with his height gets steep bounce off a length He can bowl up at 145kph but is bowling within himself on his come back Class bowler who now has both the SL wickets Stop speaking shit Mike
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Jan 2021, 16:23
#59
04 Jan 2021, 16:23#59
Make that 3 wickets for Ngidi
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Jan 2021, 17:26
#60
04 Jan 2021, 17:26#60

Two wickets were batsmen playing at very poor legside balls bowled by Ngidi,   Ngifi's bowling speed is now about 130 - whenever he bowl faster he gives away fours.    That being the case  - do we need a medium pacer in the side? 

Sipamla today bowled at  am average pace of 137 kph - Ngidi at 130 kph.   Aside from that he can only bowl 5 overs in a session after which he needs to be replaced

And it is true Ngidi was not used in the IPL because he was so poor - while the Englisdh thought he as a hitting opportunity.       .        

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Jan 2021, 17:51
#61
04 Jan 2021, 17:51#61
Oh what utter shit Ngidi has been the best bowler in the second innings Sipamla bowled well was unlucky not to pick up that caught and bowled Good to see him bowling a little quicker today getting a good few over 140kph with a fastest at 143kph Mike but don’t let that stop you feeding us with your heap of shit Good on Ngidi taking 3 despite carrying an injury - he is a class act As JP said about Sipamla it’s good to see he belongs at test level and looks comfortable at this level. At 22 he is still a baby and will just get better and better
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Jan 2021, 21:06
#62
04 Jan 2021, 21:06#62

...and faster.

He can send it down a good 5 or so clicks over 140km/h but is under orders to focus on control.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Jan 2021, 21:35
#63
04 Jan 2021, 21:35#63
Exactly Plum
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Jan 2021, 07:55
#64
05 Jan 2021, 07:55#64

Dave

Why is Ngidi so sparingly used in bowling and why is he replaced by somebody else after bowling four overs,   The reason is clear if one watches his first session bowling.  He was accurate in his first session for two overs  giving away no runs and taking a wicket bowling at an average pace of 130.   He then gave away in the third and forth over 10 runs mostly the result of lack of accuracy and pace deficiency.    

He is at best inaccurate when he bowls anything faster than 130  and the two wickets he took later in the match was from inaccurate balls he bowled on the leg side of players and where the result of poor plat of bad balls by the batsmen,   Fact is that kind of dismissals the batsmen are routinely blamed for poor batting when it happened.    

Ngidi may be nursing an injury - but then he should  have been treated for one and not been in the team,     His bowling at anything above  130 is totally inaccurate and no threat to batsmen at all,   He is the most inaccurate bowler in the team this year when he bowls faster than 130.   Batsmen do just defend when he bows accurate balls 0 but those are mre ir kless bwoiwled at 127 kph,    

I would definitely prefer Sipamla to him at this stage.   He bnpowls a wjole lot faster than Ngidi  and when bowling at about 135 to 137 kph is accurate,   I saw him bowling a totally ineffective ball at 143 kph and two in the samne category he bowled  at 140 kph,   For the rest his average bowling speed was 137 kph.   He was accurate and attacking the stumps when bowling at a lower pace of roundabout 135 kph.

The question raised often during the IPL was where is Ngidi 0n why is he not bowling?   Ge played in 2 of the 14 club matches and flopped badly.   Granted - one can say that  ir is in 29 over matches 0 but ibn those matches accuracy is paramount and  Ngiddi was indeed lacking in accuracy,    The same happened in the T20 series against the English - where his inaccuracy was a major factor in the losing of the series.

There is a difference in format of games though,    In shorter versions of the game  inaccurate balls bowled by Ngidi at his pace are attacked by batsmen - in tests the batsmen just ignore poor balls bowled,

The next assignment of the Proteas is a visit to Pakistan for two tests and 3 T20I games,    If Ngiddi bowls what he did in this series on sub-continent  pitches, he would be a dead loss for the Proteas giving away too many runs/

In the present series thus far the wicket takings tats are as follows:-  

Nortje                   =        12 wickets

Mulder                 =          9 wickets

Ngidi                    =          7  wickets

Sipamla                =          7  wickets

Bowling at a higher pace (the average pace of Sipamla is 7 kph faster than Ngidi's) as  well as accuracy in deliveries  of  Sipamla - I genuinely think Sipamla should not be replaced by Rabada and Ngidi should be the one to be replaced.          

                              

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Jan 2021, 13:54
#65
05 Jan 2021, 13:54#65
Make that 10 wickets to Sipamla in the series Ngidi was our best bowler in the second innings picking up 4 wickets Great bowler who has nothing to prove and will be playing for SA for the next decade Sipamla is one for the future and is without doubt our 4th best pace bowler behind KG, Ngidi and Nortje
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