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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
23 Jan 2022, 21:29
#41
23 Jan 2022, 21:29#41
Stav I just saw a headline and posted the link to it. The point is, fear porn. It’s been over 10k years since the last ice age and there have been a bazillion natural temperature fluctuations since life emerged on earth. There’s a long list of things that could end humanity, or at least set it back massively. And it annoys the living shyte out of me that the political establishment and media tend only to focus on the ones that they can make deals through and profit from. There is evidence for global warming but man’s role in it isn’t enough to wreck economies for. You will of course sympathise with my point of view when you consider how virtue signalling by groups during COVID times caused havoc with economies. It’s clear that the best courses of action were often shunned in favour of more destructive ones. Have you seen the stock market these days and what’s happening with inflation in most places? How’s the interest rate in the EU looking these lately? Read this… https://news.yale.edu/2002/05/23/rising-unemployment-causes-higher-death-rates-new-study-yale-researcher-shows So yea, when you want to start fucking with the machine to the point where it causes consequences that are worse than what you can prove will occur if you just left it alone…then my snout is out. And that’s the problem. We are at the point where we can focus on refining existing technologies and transition into them as we put out less and less CO2. That is where the focus should be but instead it’s on pie in the sky legislation that any idiot can see won’t work. Simply, it’s like telling Africans to become vegetarians and stop complaining because they can buy vegan burgers and “like-bacon” from their village spaza shop. I know you don’t know what a spaza shop is and…I don’t care haha And let’s prove my point quickly. Tell me about green technologies that you’ve looked into and support or, heaven forbid, invest in. Which ones are viable? Why am I willing to bet that you’re 99% petrified of doomsday but probably 1% versed on what the actual engineering solutions to the proposed problem are. …because I do keep up with advancement in technology, I’m confident the solutions lay in capitalism and engineering workshops, not in the hallways of DC or Westminster. Capitalism and people with skills make things work. Idiots that are good at winning popularity contest don’t. This is not speculation, it’s simply historical fact. Legislation isn’t innovation. So yes, if we can get rid of pollution, clean up the atmosphere and take better care of the earth it would be awesome, but all these idiotic fear porn headlines and scientific models that get things wrong aren’t gonna get us there.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jan 2022, 21:33
#42
23 Jan 2022, 21:33#42

Great post Plum.

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
23 Jan 2022, 22:01
#43
23 Jan 2022, 22:01#43

The Paris accord is a commitment to developing green technology to "eventually" phase out dirty energy by 2050. The idea is to scale the transition out over time, so as to not impact the economy. 

Inflation is caused by Covid, not by a commitment to the Paris accord.

Changing the environment with more carbon dioxide is more than just "warming". It is changing the natural atmosphere that has developed over billions of years. 

Not sure what green energy has to do with capitalism, other than ensuring the environment is not screwed up for future generations

Governments are meant to ensure that monopolies do not happen by blocking mergers of direct competitors etc. They are meant to facilitate business, and develop the middle class. Unfortunately, many of the politicians have been bribed, so they are keener on fighting for the economic agenda of the r ichest 3%, instead of the middle class. 

It is clear with climate deniers that they are biased by ideology.
At least those that consider "warming" to be a threat have experts in their corners, with the best scientific minds on the planet. Unlike climate change denialists who contain many of the anti-vaxxer gang along with other conspiracists. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
23 Jan 2022, 23:17
#44
23 Jan 2022, 23:17#44
You’re not sure what green energy had to do with capitalism? I rest my case.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jan 2022, 23:29
#45
23 Jan 2022, 23:29#45

The best scientific minds….the weathermen? You have to be kidding. Green energy is still piggybacking off  oil and nuclear. Will solar and wind be viable without nuclear and oil. Doubt it. 

All this wasteful effort when the market would have naturally transitioned as the price of oil soars. Forty five percent of known oil has been used and we are still fine, better than the 19th century which is the benchmark.

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
23 Jan 2022, 23:30
#46
23 Jan 2022, 23:30#46

If an energy company produces energy from any source (including green) it is still capitalism you dummy. Dirty energy suppliers need to evolve or die. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jan 2022, 23:33
#47
23 Jan 2022, 23:33#47

Can Green Energy provide the full energy servicers needed?   Trillions that Governments do not have and which more will have to be covered by ;loans are hyper-inflationary.   That is what the Paris Accord really imply.    Who can benefit?  Only the ultra-rich and their corrupt political allies.

By the way the bias you see is based on the fact that there are people in the world who thinks fo r themselves and are not prepared to become sheeple .           

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
23 Jan 2022, 23:34
#48
23 Jan 2022, 23:34#48

The scientific consensus is that man is causing "warming". The people who know science the most, because they are scientists. Like a mechanic or car engineer know the most about cars. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jan 2022, 23:47
#49
23 Jan 2022, 23:47#49

45% of all oil has been used/increase max 0.6 degrees. Their models show what the want them to show. The facts show this is a modest change which on balance is probably a good thing.

But  I support finding alternative fuel sources because oil will become very expensive and is crucial to life in it’s non transportation applications. Pulling back on nuclear is a criminal mistake. I have been saying that for years, it’s nice to see Europe is now at least having the debate.

If Deng was a hero for China, Merkel has done her country a huge disservice walking away from nuclear.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
24 Jan 2022, 00:29
#50
24 Jan 2022, 00:29#50
My goodness, FishBrain Capitalism + skilled people = innovation + solutions No wonder CNN spin you around so easily.
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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
24 Jan 2022, 00:34
#51
24 Jan 2022, 00:34#51
Certainly, even if oil was not causing climate damage, it is a limited supply - especially given the rapid expansion of the population. Alternative energy sources will be needed as fossil fuel demand exceeds the supply 

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
24 Jan 2022, 00:40
#52
24 Jan 2022, 00:40#52

So ButtPlug, if someone can invent energy for cars using oxygen- in an economical manner that is comparable to fossil fuel, this should not be classified as capitalism? 
Because it has some liberal values (environmental) , suddenly it is communism...

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
24 Jan 2022, 01:21
#53
24 Jan 2022, 01:21#53

Try as you might Anger, Google till the steam comes off your computer…..there are no answers to those points.

Try as you might Moz, repeat the same long debunked arguments till the steam comes out of your ears... they where crap the first time you said and they will be crap the 100th time you say them.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jan 2022, 03:01
#54
24 Jan 2022, 03:01#54

If there is real prove that science is really applicable and not political manipulation then debate is possible.       

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
24 Jan 2022, 04:12
#55
24 Jan 2022, 04:12#55

The trouble that Science and scientists have is they are trying to pass on their knowledge to a world of goldfish that would rather watch reality TV and listen to other goldfish that like to make up their own nonsense based solely on its what they want to believe irrelevant of facts.

The sane will carry on listening to what the general consensus is amongst the experts in the field the insane will carry on listening to nutjobs sitting naked in their mums basement wearing tinfoil hats. (yes we know who you are)

I must say we do have an excellent collection of goldfish on this site that never cease to give me a good laugh at their attempts to appear as anything but goldfish.


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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
24 Jan 2022, 14:01
#56
24 Jan 2022, 14:01#56
A faith-based reality is great if you want to make up your own facts.
They fear science because it destroys their reality. 
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
24 Jan 2022, 15:41
#57
24 Jan 2022, 15:41#57
VisKop Did you manage to pass any comprehension tests at school? From here, it looks like you may have really struggled. Sader…the consensus that I was taught at school was that a new Ice Age wasn’t too far off. Actually it should have been here already. There is only one outcome, and scientists have changed their tune as to which it will be. The commonality is that both the predictions were catastrophic…paradigm ending. And when you look at the science, coverage and narrative around this latest looming catastrophe, it becomes clear that whatever consensus there is, is more based in establishment, political, corporate and financial bias than on actual solid ground. Major publications in the 1st world, as well as politicians and businesses, have been proven time and time again to be spouting utter garbage and passing it off as fact. To the point where insurance companies that sell flood insurance are paying research groups to claim that the rise of river levels is caused by MMGW. This same research is then published on front pages as factual. However, a mere cursory glance shows it to be incorrect, paid for and playing a role in corrupt practice. It’s just one example, there are thousands more. Point is, were the science that clear, then one wonders why there is such an abundance of lies and misinformation around MMGW. It’s like lying to your wife about where you were even though you were actually just playing golf all afternoon. I understand what scientific consensus is.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jan 2022, 19:33
#58
24 Jan 2022, 19:33#58

I’m not presenting arguments Anger, I’m presenting facts which…..believe it or not….I unearthed for myself. Firstly half of the 1.2 degrees occurred before there was enough man made carbon to make any difference. 

Secondly it took almost half of known oil reserves to achieve the 0.6 rise in temperature where man made CO2 even had a chance of playing a role.

Devastating facts for the disciples.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Jan 2022, 06:52
#59
25 Jan 2022, 06:52#59

Global warming is sure causing massive problems in Greece and Turkey according to the following media report:-

 "A rare snowstorm brought the Greek capital Athens to a standstill on Monday.

Flights were also grounded at Istanbul airport in Turkey.

Large parts of both countries were covered in a blanket of snow, an unusual occurrence for the southern Mediterranean countries, but the second time that it has happened in two years.

The snow brought down the roof of one of the buildings at Istanbul's major air traffic hub, grounding flights to and from Asia, Europe, Africa and the Middle East.

However, Athens appeared worse hit by the storm — called "Elpida" or "Hope" in Greek — with overnight temperatures of -14 degrees Celsius (6.8 degrees Fahrenheit) forcing the closure of schools and vaccination centers.

Greeks told to stay home

The Greek government declared a holiday for parts of the country, including the capital, to keep people from going outside.

"We ask citizens to avoid leaving their homes. It will be a difficult night," Climate Change and Civil Protection Minister Christos Stylianides said.

"The height of the snow is unprecedented in some areas," he added.

Hundreds of drivers in the city were stuck in their cars for hours with rescue workers braving the cold to free the stranded motorists.

A snowstorm in February last year left four people dead across Greece as well as cutting power for thousands of residents for several days.

Kostas Lagouvardos, research director at the National Observatory of Athens, told ANT1 TV that the capital had not seen back-to-back winters like this since 1968.

Snow fell on several Aegean islands, including on the beaches of popular tourist spot Mykonos.

Extreme weather in the southern Mediterranean

Neighboring Albania also closed all elementary and high schools for three days due to the freezing temperatures.

Snow fell across Turkey before reaching the northern region of Syria, home to thousands of refugees in makeshift camps, unprepared for the levels of cold the storm brought.

Snow flurries are expected to continue in Greece and Turkey for several days.

Greece also suffered deadly and destructive wildfires last summer that lasted for days. These were put down to the effects of climate change that increases the frequency and severity of extreme weather."

I wonder how snowstorms are caused by global warming?    Can somebody explain that please.    .   

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Jan 2022, 07:01
#60
25 Jan 2022, 07:01#60

Duplication.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Jan 2022, 13:40
#61
25 Jan 2022, 13:40#61

 

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
26 Jan 2022, 04:00
#62
26 Jan 2022, 04:00#62


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