Actually
I don't know much about him
Yet your first response was
"Ja Beenz, but some on here would like to believe Zelensky walks on water..."
other tham that he was critical oubout the
Ukrainian government, was om his way to try and leave Ukrainian and
then disappeared, presumed to have been arrested and now his father
says he died in prison.
The Ukrainian position is he was prompting Russian justification for the invasion of the war online. He was arrested, released on parole and subsequently broke the terms of his parole by posting videos online that intended to leave Ukraine and go to Hungary via motorbike and was re-arrested.
There are many people in Russian prisons, also accused of terrible things...here in the West we have due proses, arrests,
court cases etc...it seems that in some cases in Ukraine and Russia you
don't...I don't know if the Lira story is true, but there is enough
smoke there to know something is fishy.
I don't know much about how Ukrainian law and justice works and what effect the war is having on it. Given that Ukraine is quite a poor country and was known to be quite corrupt before the war, I can't imagine Ukrainian prisons are a whole lot of fun.
But when you say in some cases in Ukraine and Russia you don't, you are making the argument of equivalency between the two sides, even if you say you are not that's in affect what you are doing. Ditto with the something fishy remark.
Stav...Putin is an asshole, but he's not that stupid. I don't buy into
that Bond villain you sketched...there's something more to
this...something we don't know and will probably never know..
I wasn't making the the argument that he was stupid. He has always acted in a quite calculated way in the past. He's not a Bond villain, merely an autocrat that's been power a long time.
And what is it with this ambiguous mantra you have of "there is something more to this", "something fishy" "no smoke without fire".
Russia has given its reasons for the invasion,which you seem to have rejected. Ukraine and the west have given its reasons why they believe Russia has invaded, you don't seem to fully accept them either. Sounds like you think there is another genuine reason behind but are reluctant to say it.
Lira looks to have been a scumbag, still no reason to be thrown in
jail...and whatever he's been accused of, charges must have been braught
against him in court...I see no mention of conviction from the
Ukrainian apologists...there's no such thing that if the one side is
wrong or bad that the other side is right or good...there's some serious
questions about Ukrain.
So again your taking sides.
Here is the timeline of events.
In May 2023 he was arrested by the SBU (the security service) "for production and dissemination of materials justifying Russia’s armed aggression against Ukraine"
He subsequently posted bail and was released to house arrest the same month.
He was re-arrested in July for breaching the terms of his parole (making videos about his intention to escape Ukraine as I mentioned above)
On August 2nd it was ruled that he was to appear on August 22nd. Here is a link to the indictment.
https://archive.org/details/GonzaloLira_Court_Documents_Ukraine/230531%20INDICTMENT/
August 4th the court granted the prosecutors request to keep Lira detained to October 2nd without bail.
August 22nd charges are filed against Lira.
September 12th court extends his detention to November 11th.
I have no more details about any more extensions but his court hearings where to be held on the 12th and 21st of December according to Yahoo news on the 10th of December.
His death was reported to have occurred on January 11th.
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Charges where being brought against him.The reason you see no mention of a conviction from ahem "Ukrainian apologists" is that his case was still going through the court system.