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American Journalist and Political Prisoner Gonzalo Lira, Known for Criticism of the Zelensky and Biden Regimes, Dies in Ukrainian Prison: Report

Started by Beeno162 REPLIES14,232 VIEWS· 13 Jan 2024, 05:18
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Jan 2024, 05:18
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13 Jan 2024, 05:18#1

ucker Carlson has reported that American journalist Gonzalo Lira, “Coach Red Pill,” has died in Ukrainian prison where he was held “for the crime of criticizing the Zelensky and Biden governments”- Gateway Pundit has written to the US Embassy in Kiev, who previously said they were “monitoring” the case of Gonzalo Lira.

“Gonzalo Lira, Sr. says his son has died at 55 in a Ukrainian prison, where he was being held for the crime of criticizing the Zelensky and Biden governments. Gonzalo Lira was an American citizen, but the Biden administration clearly supported his imprisonment and torture. Several weeks ago, we spoke to his father, who predicted his son would be killed”, Carlson posted.

The US government allowed an American YouTuber to be arrested by Ukraine and neglected to the point of death for criticizing the war. That was his only crime. He did what many of us do and paid the ultimate price. Being a YouTuber shouldn't cost you your life

@POTUS

@SecBlinken
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Jan 2024, 06:29
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13 Jan 2024, 06:29#2

Ja Beenz, but some on here would like to believe Zelensky walks on water...

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Jan 2024, 09:49
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13 Jan 2024, 09:49#3

Draad they believe the moon is made of green cheese and believe in F ather Christmas. Really low information and not too bright! Also they are fundamentally dishonest as we have seen again and again.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jan 2024, 10:09
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13 Jan 2024, 10:09#4

This maks me worried about the issue more than before.   When prisoners o war was handed to the Asov battalion they were frst tortured by the them and then murdered.    There is evidence confirming what was happening available.   .   

What worries me is where are the 38 Russian speaking Members of the Ukraine Parliament arrested by the Zelenskyy Government in the week before the Russian Invasion took place.   Nobody knows where they are at present.   If they were treated like the Journalist mentioned they would be dead after torturing as well by now.     

       

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Jan 2024, 10:46
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13 Jan 2024, 10:46#5

Beenz, I also don't believ Putin's hand was forced to invade Ukraine...nothing Ukraine did justified the invasion...he could have followed other avenues...the loss of life on both sides are way more than the conflict in Donbas prior to the war...it just don't ad up...

I can't understand what the hell Russia gains in all this...to me it's one big mess and a total loss for Russia...what am I missing here?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
13 Jan 2024, 11:12
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13 Jan 2024, 11:12#6

Ja Beenz, but some on here would like to believe Zelensky walks on water...

Interesting that you're seemingly accept this story at face value.

Beenz, I also don't believ Putin's hand was forced to invade Ukraine...nothing Ukraine did justified the invasion...he could have followed other avenues...the loss of life on both sides are way more than the conflict in Donbas prior to the war...it just don't ad up...

I can't understand what the hell Russia gains in all this...to me it's one big mess and a total loss for Russia...what am I missing here?

You're not missing much actually. The goal for Putin was simple, he believes Russia is a great power and that eastern Europe should remain under Russia's sphere of influence. He saw that most of Eastern Europe had already turned westwards and he didn't Ukraine to follow suit. The invasion was done with the intent of turning Ukraine into a vassal state of Russia. He obviously never thought the war would pan out like this and it would of been over far quicker and with far fewer casualties. He underestimated both Ukraine and the reaction of the West which previously was very timid in response to his aggression.  How for Putin, he feels he can't stop as it would be too humiliating but also if he does stop it might very well be his downfall. So he has Russia fight on in the hope that western support for Ukraine eventually collapses as that's the only way Russia can win now.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jan 2024, 12:59
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13 Jan 2024, 12:59#7

Stav

"The goal for Putin was simple, he believes Russia is a great power and that eastern Europe should remain under Russia's sphere of influence."

Sorry - if you actually believe that - you will also believe the moon is made of green cheese,   There is no written poroof other than mdia and USA  Government propaganda saying that type o/f  BS .   The fact is that the USA  installed a puppet Government which  they fuilly control in Ukraine in 2014 and ever since controled that Government. 

That togethere with their bio-labs in Ukraine represented a serious threat to Russia and there is the reason that promted the invasion in the first instance after the US Government instructed the Ukraine  Government to breach two peace agreements signed by both Putin and the Ukraine President in 2015 (the Minsk ag reement") and the Macrom effort to keep the pe3ace signed by Putin and Zelenskyy two weeks before the invasion took place.   

Zelenskyy breached the last agreement and the only question is did he do it on his own or was he   instructed  by the Biden Regime to breach it,       All indications  are he  was instructedf to beaqch it.     After all is is clear he who pays the piper calls the tuine.   

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jan 2024, 12:59
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13 Jan 2024, 12:59#8

D uplicate

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
13 Jan 2024, 15:02
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13 Jan 2024, 15:02#9

Any chance the duplicate was at least comprehensible there dumb Mike.

I gave up after the first sentence of your reply.

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
14 Jan 2024, 00:15
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14 Jan 2024, 00:15#10

Gonzalo Lira was NOT a Journalist (youtube.com)

This turned up on my Youtube feed, not sure how accurate the info from the posters is but the youtube  post Gonzalo Lira made certainly shows himself as a lowlife prick.

If the claims that he was selling military info to the russians then he got what he deserved.

Only time will tell one way or the other, Funny how the pro putin bots are quick to condemn Ukraine yet turn a blind eye to russian dictatorship though.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
14 Jan 2024, 01:28
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14 Jan 2024, 01:28#11

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
14 Jan 2024, 01:32
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14 Jan 2024, 01:32#12

Ffs, protest in Russia displaying a blank page will get you jailed  ...........................& Tucker's a slimeball.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
14 Jan 2024, 01:49
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14 Jan 2024, 01:49#13
ouMaaik, for the umpteenth time your sources please ................... I googled, even went to DuckDuckGogo, but surprise! ........................ found absolutely sweet f.a.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
14 Jan 2024, 02:01
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14 Jan 2024, 02:01#14

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jan 2024, 04:00
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14 Jan 2024, 04:00#15

.Back to nrmal BS. bym the  BSting agents of media distortions on. site are nw claiming that Lir was no junalist and he was snding reports cricical of the Ukraine and USA Govenment  to tnews agencies and Twitter.    Lira is according to a video report by a Ukrainian  not a jouirnalist - but he was cotributing to some US news reporters,   Since he citicized the fact that Ukraine is not a democraqcy anymore he was arrested by the  Ukraine Government.   Well Ukraine is NOT a de,cracy at all - so his arrest was routine.   There is no press freedom in Ukraine - members of the Ukraine Paliament was arrested and held wwithhout trial for 2 years   - opposition political parties are banned forom  fucntiong and so is the Ukraine Orthodox church. 

Lets face facts for a change.   In one report Lira did a dangerous thing - he claimed that the USA operates bio-abs in Ukraine - a truth admitted by Deputy Secretary of State in evidnce under oath in the Senate.    Aside from a new Bio-Lab constructed  in Odessa 9building operations completed in 2018 and operated suince then by US A authrotoes attached to the DDefene Force  there areat let 26 uch biokab in Ukaine existed in ukraine and is still operating.    Interesting  enough the US Government lied initially  - claiming there are no bio-labs in Ukraine.   That was followed by an adnision that the are Soviet-era laboratories  that the USA is helping YUkraine to close down.   That lie came out 33 years after the Soviet Union passed away  - so in 32 years othing was cloed down.      The US Government afterwards laimed that there are bo dageous  

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Jan 2024, 05:41
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14 Jan 2024, 05:41#16

"Interesting that you're seemingly accept this story at face value."

Actually I don't know much about him, other tham that he was critical oubout the Ukrainian government, was om his way to try and leave Ukrainian and then disappeared,  presumed to have been arrested and now his father says he died in prison.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Jan 2024, 05:46
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14 Jan 2024, 05:46#17

"If the claims that he was selling military info to the russians then he got what he deserved"

There are many people in Russian prisons, also accused of terrible things...here in the West we have due proses, arrests, court cases etc...it seems that in some cases in Ukraine and Russia you don't...I don't know if the Lira story is true, but there is enough smoke there to know something is fishy.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Jan 2024, 05:56
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14 Jan 2024, 05:56#18

Stav...Putin is an asshole, but he's not that stupid. I don't buy into that Bond villain you sketched...there's something more to this...something we don't know and will probably never know...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jan 2024, 06:18
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14 Jan 2024, 06:18#19

BB

How wmen can lie with out blushing or feleing no ahsme  about it is relly funny.   The 2 women are spreading normal propaganda.BS and every point they made are not true.    aqnd can be disputed.       

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Jan 2024, 06:43
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14 Jan 2024, 06:43#20

Lira looks to have been a scumbag, still no reason to be thrown in jail...and whatever he's been accused of, charges must have been braught against him in court...I see no mention of conviction from the Ukrainian apologists...there's no such thing that if the one side is wrong or bad that the other side is right or good...there's some serious questions about Ukrain.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
14 Jan 2024, 07:01
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14 Jan 2024, 07:01#21

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
14 Jan 2024, 07:07
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14 Jan 2024, 07:07#22

https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/dec/13/lie-of-the-year-2022-putins-lies-to-wage-war-and-o/

Lie of the Year 2022: Putin’s lies to wage war and conceal horror in Ukraine




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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
14 Jan 2024, 10:22
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14 Jan 2024, 10:22#23

Actually I don't know much about him

Yet your first response was

"Ja Beenz, but some on here would like to believe Zelensky walks on water..."

other tham that he was critical oubout the Ukrainian government, was om his way to try and leave Ukrainian and then disappeared,  presumed to have been arrested and now his father says he died in prison.

The Ukrainian position is he was prompting Russian justification for the invasion of the war online. He was arrested, released on parole and subsequently broke the terms of his parole by posting videos online that intended to leave Ukraine and go to Hungary via motorbike and was re-arrested.

There are many people in Russian prisons, also accused of terrible things...here in the West we have due proses, arrests, court cases etc...it seems that in some cases in Ukraine and Russia you don't...I don't know if the Lira story is true, but there is enough smoke there to know something is fishy.

I don't know much about how Ukrainian law and justice works and what effect the war is having on it. Given that Ukraine is quite a poor country and was known to be quite corrupt before the war, I can't imagine Ukrainian prisons are a whole lot of fun.

But when you say in some cases in Ukraine and Russia you don't, you are making the argument of equivalency between the two sides, even if you say you are not that's in affect what you are doing.  Ditto with the something fishy remark.

Stav...Putin is an asshole, but he's not that stupid. I don't buy into that Bond villain you sketched...there's something more to this...something we don't know and will probably never know..

I wasn't making the the argument that he was stupid. He has always acted in a quite calculated way in the past. He's not a Bond villain, merely an autocrat that's been power a long time.

And what is it with this ambiguous mantra you have of "there is something more to this", "something fishy" "no smoke without fire".

Russia has given its reasons for the invasion,which you seem to have rejected. Ukraine and the west have given its reasons why they believe Russia has invaded, you don't seem to fully accept them either. Sounds like you think there is another genuine reason behind but are reluctant to say it.

Lira looks to have been a scumbag, still no reason to be thrown in jail...and whatever he's been accused of, charges must have been braught against him in court...I see no mention of conviction from the Ukrainian apologists...there's no such thing that if the one side is wrong or bad that the other side is right or good...there's some serious questions about Ukrain.

So again your taking sides.

Here is the timeline of events.

In May 2023 he was arrested by the SBU (the security service) "for production and dissemination of materials justifying Russia’s armed aggression against Ukraine"

He subsequently posted bail and was released to house arrest the same month.

He was re-arrested in July for breaching the terms of his parole (making videos about his intention to escape Ukraine as I mentioned above)

On August 2nd it was ruled that he was to appear on August 22nd. Here is a link to the indictment.

https://archive.org/details/GonzaloLira_Court_Documents_Ukraine/230531%20INDICTMENT/

August 4th the court granted the prosecutors request to keep Lira detained to October 2nd without bail.

August 22nd charges are filed against Lira.

September 12th court extends his detention to November 11th.

I have no more details about any more extensions but his court hearings where to be held on the 12th and 21st of December according to Yahoo news on the 10th of December.

His death was reported to have occurred on January 11th.

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Charges where being brought against him.The reason you see no mention of a conviction from ahem "Ukrainian apologists" is that his case was still going through the court system.








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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jan 2024, 10:51
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14 Jan 2024, 10:51#24

Stav

There are many people in Russian prisons, also accused of terrible things...here in the West we have due proses, arrests, court cases etc...it seems that in some cases in Ukraine and Russia you don't...I don't know if the Lira story is true, but there is enough smoke there to know something is fishy.

In the EU Countries their may still be due process - in the USA there is no due process left under the present regime.    There are 540 pople held in jail without trial for more than 3 years and not allowed bail.     Aside fropm that the FIC Court found that the FBI spied illegally on 278 000 people opposed to the Biden Regime  and in a number of cases the court rules that the fbi acted unconstitutionally in arrest people and charge the of crimes - where the court ruled against the FBI.    .      

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Jan 2024, 15:02
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14 Jan 2024, 15:02#25

"The Ukrainian position is he was prompting Russian justification for the invasion of the war online."

That shouldn't be a crime...saying the wrong things got him locked up...sounds familiar. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Jan 2024, 15:06
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14 Jan 2024, 15:06#26

"But when you say in some cases in Ukraine and Russia you don't, you are making the argument of equivalency between the two sides, even if you say you are not that's in affect what you are doing.  Ditto with the something fishy remark."

not equal, but Ukraine isn't totally blameless...it's naive to think that...there's always another perspective...you seem to think Ukraine did absolutely nothing wrong...it was a mess long before the Russian invasion.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Jan 2024, 15:09
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14 Jan 2024, 15:09#27

"He's not a Bond villain, merely an autocrat that's been power a long time.

And what is it with this ambiguous mantra you have of "there is something more to this", "something fishy" "no smoke without fire".

Russia has given its reasons for the invasion,which you seem to have rejected. Ukraine and the west have given its reasons why they believe Russia has invaded, you don't seem to fully accept them either."


All the reasons given for this war is poor and doesn't come close to justify the horrible loss of life...everybody should be screaming for it to stop, yet....same for Yemen and Gaza...

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
14 Jan 2024, 15:23
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14 Jan 2024, 15:23#28

Amazes me how so many go on about freedoms while a country is at war, 

Just look at history, the British imprisoned nazi supporters during ww2, hell America interred over 100,000 of its own citizens just for having Japanese ancestry. 

Yet you lot think they should let anyone have their say, and considering he is an immigrant (you know those people, the ones the Russians bots are always hating against) as a guest in someone else's country he should follow their way of life, pretty sure you lot  would be the first to blow up if some foreigner turned up and started shitting on your country.

But let me guess that's different when you side does it, but how dare the opposition do such a thing.

Hypocrisy is fuckin thick on this site.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Jan 2024, 15:35
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14 Jan 2024, 15:35#29

...they could have just let him leave.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Jan 2024, 15:49
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14 Jan 2024, 15:49#30

Clever, post your sources for the 540 people still in jail without bail. I googled that claim and found nothing. It seems unlikely, but I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt. No tantrums now…just provide your source

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
14 Jan 2024, 15:56
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14 Jan 2024, 15:56#31

Maybe they could have but if he broke his parole (flaunting the countries legal system) Why shouldn't he pay the consequences?

Not saying dying  is what he deserved but aren't all you Christians adamant that people have to pay for their crimes, why should he get a free pass?

If my country  was invaded and some foreign twat started saying that the enemy was right to murder my family and friends I am pretty sure I would hold no sympathy for such a stupid cunt. 

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
14 Jan 2024, 16:02
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14 Jan 2024, 16:02#32

Don't waste your breath Moz, the conspiracy nuts either ignore all requests for the source of their claims or if they do its some retard nude mothers celler dweller insane post with (you guessed it) no link to any information to support their claims.

They just live in a different world that is just a game to see who can come up with the most ludicrous claims that they can convince 1 simpleton it true.

Flat earthers are a glowing example of the stupidity of a lot of our resident retards, I am sure we have a couple of them on here

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
14 Jan 2024, 16:32
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14 Jan 2024, 16:32#33

Just a question dumbmike, you hate Ukraine for not being democratic enough yet you support Russia which has to be one of the least democratic countries in the world.

Why do you support them when they are far less democratic than any country in  the west?

I fail to see your reasoning in this if democracy is what you hold in the highest regard.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
14 Jan 2024, 19:11
#34
14 Jan 2024, 19:11#34

That shouldn't be a crime...saying the wrong things got him locked up...sounds familiar.

Words have consequences. Name me any country that would allow on its territory a person to function as a propagandist for the enemy during a war.

not equal, but Ukraine isn't totally blameless...it's naive to think that...there's always another perspective...you seem to think Ukraine did absolutely nothing wrong...it was a mess long before the Russian invasion

Ukraine is far from a perfect state but nothing I repeat nothing justified Russia invading their country. So yes in that regard they did absolutely nothing wrong. Yes there is always another perspective. But there is also the truth and lies. And as it for being a mess, that's primarily to do with Russia stealing one part of their country and backing armed separatists in another part.

All the reasons given for this war is poor and doesn't come close to justify the horrible loss of life...everybody should be screaming for it to stop, yet....same for Yemen and Gaza...

Putin doesn't want it to stop, unless Ukraine and the West give into his demands, if you d o that all your doing is encouraging more of this aggression down the road, just like Munich.

And Ukraine and Gaza are not the same situation.

...they could have just let him leave.

LOL, seriously?

Maybe they could have but if he broke his parole (flaunting the countries legal system) Why shouldn't he pay the consequences?

Not saying dying  is what he deserved but aren't all you Christians adamant that people have to pay for their crimes, why should he get a free pass?

Exactly.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
15 Jan 2024, 05:15
#35
15 Jan 2024, 05:15#35

Who cares what some discredited unemployed loser says on social media?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Jan 2024, 06:44
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15 Jan 2024, 06:44#36

Mo/zart

There were 1100 odd people arrested and you not lo/n g  ag o g ave a bredakdown of h ow manym was centered leaving  540 people still in jail without facing  any charges yet.

They do not charge people with a crime if they admit guilt and keeping  them in jail without charging  is  definitely a form of intimidation.      .   

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Jan 2024, 06:54
#37
15 Jan 2024, 06:54#37

Stav

Putin doesn't want it to stop, unless Ukraine and the West give into his demands, if you do that all your doing is encouraging more of this aggression down the road, just like Munich.

There would have been no war if the Minsk agreement was implemented,    To weeks before th e invasion took place following an urgent attemtopt by Macxron to prvent war, both  Putin and  Zelenskyy signed an agreement.     That wuld have resulted in peace in Eastern Ukraine as well and restoration of a constitutional demcoracy in Ukraine.   

Bearing in mind th at the US G overnment fully financed the Ukraine G overnment and paid billions to Ukraine since 2014 anyway, there are numerous examples where the Ukraine G overnment got instructions from Wash ington as to what they may and may not do.     Zelenskyy brok the ag reement negituated bym Macron and it can be 100% sure that the rbeach was carried out on instruction from Washingtonn.     The US Federal Government pays the piper and calls the tuine. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Jan 2024, 15:31
#38
15 Jan 2024, 15:31#38

Putin never intended to sign any reasonable agreement and then the atrocities near Kiev made any agreement impossible.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Jan 2024, 15:33
#39
15 Jan 2024, 15:33#39

Sources Clever…you have repeated many times that there are 540 people in jail without being charged. Provided verification.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Jan 2024, 17:08
#40
15 Jan 2024, 17:08#40

Mozart

Why use lies on site -  Putin never intended  to sign an agreement - he signed 2 - both sabotaged by the US Government.    As to the massacre  there  were no sattelite photos showing  bodies lying around when the Russians left the town  and the bodies were "discovered more than a week after the Russians left Ukraine,   So what was the massacre and who killed the people and placed the bodies there,    The matter was reported to the UN  an investigation was done and no evidence of Russian involvment in the incident was ever proved,    

By the way dimnees - do you still believe the emdia campaign about an "insurrection" taking place on 6 January 2021.    It was never seen as being an insurrection other than by idiots like  you.   The claim was that there were 1 100 people arrested and the last figure was 1100 beinga rrested,    The stituation is that the Justice d epartment used a system where prisoners are intimidated to plead guility and the Justice Department do not need to proviode real evidence of what in fact .happened.    The whole subsequent scene was cleaqrly a political farce and you fell fr that one too.     

So   far 732 court cases took place - always before the same judge with a specially selected jury for the purpose  - so whatever you say is just a repeat of BS.    

                  

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