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Australian Jews had gathered on Sunday on Sydney’s Bondi Beach to mark Hanukkah, one of the most joyful and family-friendly Jewish holidays, when two gunmen started firing into a crowd.

At least 11 people were killed in the mass shooting, according to the authorities. One of the shooters was also killed.

“This is a targeted attack on Jewish Australians on the first day of Hanukkah, which should be a day of joy,” Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said. “An attack on Jewish Australians is an attack on every Australian.”

The mass shooting came at a time when Australia’s Jewish community was already on edge, after enduring a series of alarming antisemitic attacks.

Some Jewish organizations say the episodes intensified after the Hamas-led attacks on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, and the ensuing war in Gaza, which have also spurred Islamophobic episodes in Australia.

“Our figures for antisemitic incidents are off the scale — of a level that we’ve never seen in the more than 30 years that we’ve been monitoring and collecting data,” Daniel Aghion, the president of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry, told Sky News on Sunday, noting the recent spate of arson attacks.

“The last two years have been horrific for us,” he added, noting the rising instances of antisemitism around the world.

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So what is the answer? Just deport Muslims back to the Middle East? Their may not be many other options.

And again...for a minute I thought this thread was going be about the latest university/school shooting in the US.

So what is the answer?

Thoughts and prayers?

Just deport Muslims back to the Middle East? Their may not be many other options.

Have the assailants proven to be Muslims? Racist collective punishment is not the answer.

Yes, they were Muslims. Less Muslims mean fewer mass shootings.

Other than America, when comparing the ratio of Muslims versus mass shooters - it is clear their is a direct correlating stats.

Something that was positive was that a Muslim shop owner tackled one of the gunners and de-armed him.

Proving not all Muslims support this stuff. However, a decent amount do - or at the very least are sympathetic - or will side with their religion over the land they live in.

Still safer just to have less of them,.

And again...for a minute I thought this thread was going be about the latest university/school shooting in the US.

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You deduced that from the heading. WOW you are good. Of course if you opened the the string the first word was Australia, so once again using all your Miss Marple skills you would have rejected your original hypothesis. But you say it took you a minute to figure it out?

How does Draad put it, Whoosh?

The shooters were identified as Sajid 50 and his son Naveed Akram 24. Apparently they had ties with Hamas.

Sajid was killed by police. His son Naveed, is in critical condition in hospital. In there vehicle, several explosive devices were found.

So yes, it’s a high probability these shooters are Fanatical Muslim Terrorists.

And there I was thinking guns are banned in Aussie...

Actually ‘whoosh’ is a response I introduced to the Board and it doesn’t apply to posters who have just had their head handed to them, like you.

Many Moslems are great citizens, the family cardiologist is a magnificent doctor and a caring man. But the general pattern is concerning, the second and third generations don’t become Americans first, like those from any other background.

And if they fail in life there is the mosque and a program of radicalization.The solution for those that are here is very complex. But the obvious thing to do is to make immigration from here going forward very difficult. And you can’t define that by the parents.

Is that a shame and quite unfair? Yes it is, but those are the choices. Allowing the Minnesota model to succeed elsewhere in the country and the world is placing the life, the culture, the humor we all cherish at risk.

LOL, that inner toddler makes his way to the keyboard yet again.

The inner toddler was the fool that thought it was time to take another swipe at America. But did it so ineptly that he was twice humiliated in a short post. Stay down Anger there is no way these vague one liners are going to save your blushes,

Says the man who is constantly taking pot shots at Europe. I'm yet to see how I supposed to be humiliated, when I saw the thread title I suspected from the thread title you were referring to the incident in Australia but it did also cross my mind that maybe you were referring to the university shooting in the US, so I clicked on the thread to find out. Obviously it didn't take me 60 seconds to figure that it was Australia you were referring too, you know it was just a turn of phrase but of course you disingenuously took it literally to try to make me look stupid.

If I was to do the same I could make a big song and dance how the first word in the article was Australian, not Australia which would be the same level of pedantic nonsense you lower yourself too.

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I post ‘once again’ and you thought it might be the Australian incident? Sure Anger….that’s why you said ‘for a minute I thought this thread was going be about the latest university/school shooting in the US.’

Keep digging. As for 60 seconds which upsets you so much, try not to be a smartypants and you won’t be shot down in flames.

Yes. I guessed from the thread title the thread was going to be about one of the two shootings in the news today but probably about the Australian incident, not that it took any great foresight you're just quite predictable and as I said for a minute is a turn of phrase, okay technically I should said for a second, but you know that wouldn't have been technically accurate either because when I loaded up the forum I was actually drinking coffee and didn't click on the link for a couple of seconds seconds.

Speaking of predictable, oh shocker you sign off another posts along the lines of "I schooled you". That chip on your shoulder just keeps getting larger.

Oh you guessed that it would be about the Australian incident, but you said you thought it was about the US incident. Yes that makes sense….not!

As for drinking coffee, for a minute you never looked at the forum which was loading and you never clicked on the link for that minute.. but that entire time you were thinking it was about the US incident even though you really thought it was about the Australian incident?

Keep digging Mick.

Errr, no.

"Actually ‘whoosh’ is a response I introduced to the Board and it doesn’t apply to posters who have just had their head handed to them, like you."

A barefaced stinking lie by the attention-seeking loser.

No-one had used the term "whoosh" on this board before I started using it and then Draad started using it all the time which is why I called him Squeaky Toy.

Moffie, I know how important one-upmanship is to you . . . I mean really, just count all the juvenile little "stick with Moz" or "game, set and match" or "Schplott" (another term I coined) responses . . . but try to be honest.

As for Stav having his head handed to him by a childish and ignorant little know-it-all . . . well . . . LMAO!

Moffie, just because you're too dumb to realize Stav owns you on this board doesn't mean it isn't happening.

"And there I was thinking guns are banned in Aussie..."

An armed society is a polite society.

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Oh that old chestnut of taking away guns leads to genocide argument, is that still going in 2025?

Anyway on a side note, I used Co-Pilot to ask in 2025 how many people were killed and how many where injured in Islamic terror attacks in western aligned countries such as the US, Canada, European countries, Australia and New Zealand.

The answer was less than 50 killed and just less than 120 injured. In addition there was also several foiled planned attacks. The data for number of people arrested in relation to Islamic/Jihadist violence/activity is not out for 2025.

That block of countries have a population of 1.16 Billion, total Muslim population for those regions is just under 57.5 million. Muslims make up about 6% of Europe's population, 1.3% of the US population, 5% of Canada's, 4.5% of Australia and 1.5% of New Zealand.

Not to say there isn't an issue with Islamic extremism in general, Interpol list it as the number one security threat at the moment. There was actually a global decline in Islamic related violence over the last few years but a slight increase in western countries overall and also not wanting to downplay the pain and suffering these attacks have caused to the victims and their families but I don't believe the scale of the problem comes anywhere near close to justify banning Muslims from immigrating to the west or western aligned countries.

It's my belief that if there was fair and balanced deal worked out between Israel and Palestine we would see a significant reduction in Islamic related attacks in the west and as a general rule the west should try to stay out of entanglements in the Middle East and limit itself to trading with the relatively more moderate states. If Arab/Muslim states want to be at each others throats, its not really out concern. As well as that online radicalisation and misinformation must be tackled in general to counter all forms of extremism, be it Islamic, right wing or left wing. I'm not saying it would completely eliminate extremism but it should reduce it significantly.

"Oh that old chestnut of taking away guns leads to genocide argument, is that still going in 2025?"

Not the point I was going for but sure. I'm just saying that most of these mass shooting happen in "GuN fREe ZoNeS" and where the populace isn't able to defend themselves.

I'd also point out that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Not the point I was going for but sure. I'm just saying that most of these mass shooting happen in "GuN fREe ZoNeS" and where the populace isn't able to defend themselves.

So again doing an A.I search, according to Crime Prevention Research Center in the US armed civilians prevented 58 mass shootings between 2014 and 2023 and 157 active shooter incidents between 2014 and 2024.

The total number of mass shootings in the US in 2014-2023 amounted to 4,686.

At some point you got to ask yourself do guns cause more problems than they solve.

Ok, so taking your numbers at face value...

How many casualties were there in the 4,686 mass shootings between 2014 and 2023 and how many more could it have been if it wasn't for the armed citizens that prevented further killing.

Its not like we'll wake up tomorrow and the bad guys are gonna be all like "oh I was gonna hold up that store but they've got a no gun zone sticker in the window so herpa derp, guess I wont commit crime today."

Narcotics have been criminalised around the world for as long as I've been alive and yet there are junkies in almost every city center of the world.

You're wasting your time X.

how many casualties were there in the 4,686 mass shootings between 2014 and 2023 and how many more could it have been if it wasn't for the armed citizens that prevented further killing.

You're talking about 4,500 killed and between 17,000-18,000 injured in those mass shootings.

Typical mass shootings involve 2-3 killed so your talking about 116-174 lives saved, while injured number between 4-5, so your talking about preventing 232-290 injuries prevented.

Its not like we'll wake up tomorrow and the bad guys are gonna be all like "oh I was gonna hold up that store but they've got a no gun zone sticker in the window so herpa derp, guess I wont commit crime today."

Who is arguing that?. The point is the bad guy might not hold that store if they don't have guns.

Narcotics have been criminalised around the world for as long as I've been alive and yet there are junkies in almost every city center of the world.

That's true but what's your point. That because laws do prevent illegal drug use, laws restricting gun would be equally ineffective? Gun's are heavily restricted here in Ireland and outside of two mass shootings that had relatively low numbers of deaths and injuries that were both gangland related there has never been an incident of a mass shooting at school, university or public place like occurs so frequently in the US.

America has more mass shootings than all other Western countries combined.

This is a fact, and not open to debate.

More guns = more mass shootings.

Most other countries have problems with Muslim radicals, but in America, it is a free-for-all.

In Australia, the gunner (father) actually had a license to own firearms. Why are Muslims allowed to own firearms in Western countries?

Fewer Muslims = Fewer mass shootings.

In Australia, the gunner (father) actually had a license to own firearms. Why are Muslims allowed to own firearms in Western countries?

Because that would be discrimination not to allow them them if everyone else is allowed.

Fewer Muslims = Fewer mass shootings.

Fewer guns = Fewer mass shootings.

Tell you what ban gun ownership for Muslims in western countries, but give Muslim health care workers the right to refuse to treat to white indigenous population because they have a higher tendency to be Islamophobic or racist. Sure only a minority of the white indigenous population hold these views but lets be consistent here and collectively punish them all.

@Stav, everyone has their own opinions. However, the Democratic mandate is to reduce new Muslim immigrants, as well as send back those who are involved in crimes and/or do not work.

We can't prove our own subjective opinion, but in a Democratic society, we have to accept that we can't win every time (e.g. our own opinions).

Somalian immigrants have the lowest work rate. Approximately 70% or more are unemployed, which is far higher than the national average. It does not make economic sense to bring in refugees from here.

If the mainstream parties do not fix the problem, the far-right will get into power. They will fix the illegal immigrant problem, but

I would much rather have a mainstream party running the country (left or right)- than the likes of Farage, who will open up the UK market to American companies.

"It's my belief that if there was fair and balanced deal worked out between Israel and Palestine we would see a significant reduction in Islamic related attacks in the west and as a general rule the west should try to stay out of entanglements in the Middle East and limit itself to trading with the relatively more moderate states. If Arab/Muslim states want to be at each others throats, its not really out concern."

So it's our fault...gotcha.

https://www.youtube.com/live/hiYZB3Oh0w8?si=gzNYZ_c01v41pWwq

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Who is arguing that?. The point is the bad guy might not hold that store if they don't have guns.

Being as he's a criminal he will have a gun. That's the point. Just cos they're criminalised doesn't mean they suddenly cease to exist. The good guys hand them in, the bad guys steal em and the clever guys bury them in wax canvas and oil.

You've said yourself that Ireland has heavy restrictions on firearms and yet on twitter today I saw the new RA showing off their Mac10s and AR180s.

Something else to consider:

Gun's are heavily restricted here in Ireland and outside of two mass shootings that had relatively low numbers of deaths and injuries that were both gangland related there has never been an incident of a mass shooting at school, university or public place like occurs so frequently in the US.

Population of USA as of Worldometer 2025: 348,109,673

Population of Ireland (total), same source 2025: 5,331,768

I put it to you that guns aren't the problem.

Americans are.

Rhonda you seem desperate to own ‘woosh;….I used it first but there is no way I can prove that, so believe it if it helps you forget all the failures in your sad, pathetic, parochial life. ‘I used Woosh first’…..hahaha…let’s put that on Peeper’s on his highlight reel. They call him Woosh..

Just pointing out your lie, Moffie.

Oh and the correct spelling is "whoosh" you semi-literate old fool.

No need to thank me.

@Stav, everyone has their own opinions. However, the Democratic mandate is to reduce new Muslim immigrants, as well as send back those who are involved in crimes and/or do not work.

You keep going back to this line of the democratic mandate, appears very evasive. Trump won the election in 2024, you could argue he has a democratic mandate to enact his policies but you have no issue opposing many of them.

As for a mandate of reducing Muslim immigrants, you might find some push back on that phrasing because it comes across as racist.

No one has an issue involved in sending back people who are involved in crimes. When it comes to work, again if an immigrant is deliberately not choosing not to work then fine send them back. But as I've said before you need to have a returns agreement to do that. How would you go about sending back someone from Afghanistan for example. It's a simple question.

Somalian immigrants have the lowest work rate. Approximately 70% or more are unemployed, which is far higher than the national average. It does not make economic sense to bring in refugees from here.

It's not meant to make economic sense, Asylum is for humanitarian purposes. Did you care to look into the reason why 70% of Somalian's are unemployed in the UK or do you think they are all just scammers?

If the mainstream parties do not fix the problem

Mainstream parties in Europe have been moving to the right on immigration for a number of years but it's never going to be reduced to zero, a significant amount of immigration is needed to keep western economies going, they would quite literally collapse without them. Indigenous birth-rates have dropped below a sustainable level, we are living longer, meaning their is more people living longer into retirement who could not be supported by an indigenous work force alone.

Mainstream parties need to focus on addressing the cost of living, housing, healthcare, improving services and workers rights, tangible things that would improve their citizens everyday life. If people feel and see their lives improving they won't care about as much whatever confected outrage both the right wing media and social media constantly spew out.

I would much rather have a mainstream party running the country (left or right)- than the likes of Farage, who will open up the UK market to American companies.

I see some new research out of the US has put the cost of Brexit at £90 billion per year to the UK economy. Farage is the man singularly most responsible for that, all that gruff he told about Brexit and people still want to believe people like him are anything other than grifters.

So it's our fault...gotcha.

I didn't say that, but it would be nice if the West had at least some self awareness that meddling in the Middle East might have consequences.

I know the correct spelling Wooosh:

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Actually ‘whoosh’ is a response I introduced to the Board and it doesn’t apply to posters who have just had their head handed to them, like you.

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I prefer the acceptable variant ‘woosh’ which plays on the number of ‘o’s. But thanks for making the point. No doubt you now agree I used ‘woosh’ first.

For goodness sake grow up.

"I didn't say that, but it would be nice if the West had at least some self awareness that meddling in the Middle East might have consequences."

As does letting in millions of people not capable of assimilating peacefully into western society...only a very few of which can cause serious problems...problems that won't be solved by banning guns or knives, machetes or whatever...

Being as he's a criminal he will have a gun. That's the point. Just cos they're criminalised doesn't mean they suddenly cease to exist. The good guys hand them in, the bad guys steal em and the clever guys bury them in wax canvas and oil.

While most guns used in robberies are illegal, a certain amount of them are not and a certain amount of illegal guns are guns that were originally legal but stolen. But aside from which, does civilian gun ownership prevent the robberies from occurring now?

Also when talking about mass shootings most of them are illegally owned. Making guns more difficult to access mean's its more likely for people to act rashly in the heat of the moment, say pulling out a gun in an argument or make it more difficult for people with mental health issues to carry out attacks.

You've said yourself that Ireland has heavy restrictions on firearms and yet on twitter today I saw the new RA showing off their Mac10s and AR180s.

Well ignoring the fact that new IRA are mostly based in Northern Ireland, they aren't generally going around robbing stores or committing mass shootings.

I put it to you that guns aren't the problem.

Americans are.

Yeah, at least part of the issue is America seems to worship the gun. Sort of get the impression as well that part of the reason join the police in the US is so they get to legally shoot someone.