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As a white Afrikaner, I can now claim asylum in Trump’s America. What an absurdity Max du Preez

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
06 Apr 2025, 22:06
#1
06 Apr 2025, 22:06#1

We are not victims, there is no genocide. This rhetoric shows that the US administration doesn’t understand my thriving country


Sun 6 Apr 2025 12.00 BST



I am a blue-blood Afrikaner, at least in terms of ancestry: both my grandfathers were young Boer soldiers in the Anglo-Boer war and I am directly related to the president of the old Transvaal Republic, Paul Kruger. I am a descendant of Dutch, French and German settlers who were brought to the southern tip of Africa in the 17th century. Unlike other colonial societies in Africa, my ancestors never left.


They occupied the whole country, displacing and oppressing the Indigenous inhabitants. Eventually, their concept of white supremacy developed into a formal state policy, apartheid. The UN classified this as a crime against humanity. Miraculously, my country has been a thriving democracy and open society ever since the formal end of apartheid in 1994.

Imagine my bewilderment when Donald Trump and his “first buddy”, South African-born Elon Musk, declared that we Afrikaners are a threatened species; that our black compatriots are engaged in a “genocide”; that we are victims of oppression and discrimination and as such offered special refugee status in the United States – at the very point in time that thousands of migrants to that country are being repelled or deported. The US state department is even preparing “refugee centres” in Pretoria to house these “victims”.

The criticisms and threats coming from Trump, his secretary of state, Marco Rubio, and Musk outraged the majority of South Africans because the claims were patently false and were seen as unacceptable meddling with internal affairs. A section of the white population, however – the ethnic Afrikaner nationalists and separatists – welcomed the US intervention, leading to harsh exchanges with racial undertones on social and other media.

Just for the record: Afrikaners are generally better off today than prior to 1994, when they gave up political power; materially, culturally and in terms of personal freedom.

South Africa’s progressive constitution with its extensive bill of rights is intact; the rule of law is maintained and the judiciary is independent and functioning; we are a genuinely open society with free speech and media that many other democracies, especially Trump’s America, can be jealous of.

Whites (about 7.3% of the population) still dominate the economy and own about half the land – and not one square inch of it has been confiscated from white owners. White unemployment stands at 7% with the national figure at more than 30%. The crime rate in the predominantly white suburbs is minuscule compared with that in the vast black townships.

South Africa is ruled by a government of national unity, a coalition between the ANC and the white-led Democratic Alliance, whom the president, Cyril Ramaphosa, chose to partner with instead of the two black nationalist parties, the MK and the Economic Freedom Fighters. The former leader of the predominantly Afrikaner party, the Freedom Front Plus, Pieter Groenewald, is one of several white members of Ramaphosa’s cabinet. Genocide? Victims?

It’s true that the ANC-led governments of the last two decades have, to put it mildly, not performed brilliantly. We had a decade (2009 to 2018) of scandal known as “state capture” under the previous president, Jacob Zuma, and the country hasn’t yet recovered from that completely. There was a deterioration of infrastructure and inner cities, there are almost daily reports of corruption, crime is not under control and economic growth has been at around 1%.

But these are our problems, effecting all our citizens. We don’t need Trump’s or Musk’s help.

Where does their interest in our country come from? South Africa irritated the US and other western governments when it took Israel to the ICJ (international court of justice), alleging genocide in its war in Gaza – Trump made this clear in his executive order on South Africa. The scale of that conflict demanded that someone took the matter for international adjudication, and it was appropriate that it be done by a nation that had overcome dehumanisation, forced removals from land, and gross human rights abuses. History, I believe, will be kind to my country on this score.

But Trump’s expressed anger is mainly directed at the treatment of Afrikaners, a group of people he’s probably never thought of before Musk became his confidant. Why this fixation? Three letters: DEI. Diversity, equity and inclusion. In South Africa, it is called black empowerment and affirmative or corrective action: attempts to speed up the recovery from centuries of dehumanisation, exclusion from the economy, and job reservation.

South Africa has been blessed and cursed because its history and demographics reflect the great themes of human experience. Blessed because the crudeness and cruelty of racial apartheid offended so many people around the world that the international anti-apartheid movement became powerful and white-run South Africa was isolated through sanctions and boycotts. Cursed because the global hard-right has found a seductive narrative – in the current era of immigration pressures and rising ethnic nationalism – in a white minority that is portrayed as endangered. The message is that the supposed fate of Afrikaners in South Africa will be that of white conservatives in the US unless something is done.


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I get the sense that fellow Afrikaners are bemused by the offer of refugee status. I think the overwhelming response is “thanks for asking, but no thanks”. We named our tribe after the African continent. Most of us, even those who deeply resent our government and its policies, regard ourselves as pale-skinned Africans. We passionately love our expressive, earthy language, Afrikaans, that is only spoken here and in neighbouring Namibia; it is the most important part of our ethnic identity.

The Trump administration’s threatened sanctions against our country are going to hurt. The best among us Afrikaners and other white South Africans join the rallying call against this foreign interference to galvanise our entire society and to show ourselves and the world that we can be a harmonious and successful country. Donald Trump and Elon Musk don’t speak for us.

  1. Max du Preez was the founding editor of Vrye Weekblad, an anti-apartheid, Afrikaans weekly newspaper
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Apr 2025, 22:38
#2
06 Apr 2025, 22:38#2

Opportunism

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Apr 2025, 07:49
#3
07 Apr 2025, 07:49#3

Max is a brainwashed bot.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
07 Apr 2025, 08:05
#4
07 Apr 2025, 08:05#4

There was a deterioration of infrastructure and inner cities, there are almost daily reports of corruption, crime is not under control and economic growth has been at around 1%.


Was? Oh, Max. Max, Max, Max...


the rule of law is maintained


So how many corrupt politicians have gone to jail? How many municipal managers and mayors that get caught with millions in cash under their mattresses have gone to jail? How many criminal officials have been merely suspended with full pay instead of being prosecuted?


In South Africa, it is called black empowerment and affirmative or corrective action: attempts to speed up the recovery from centuries of dehumanisation, exclusion from the economy, and job reservation.


How's that been working out for us? We have people begging for water, the most basic human right, because inept and corrupt municipalities don't maintain infrastructure and don't have the skills or funds to increase capacity, because their only skill is "misappropriating" those funds. Raw sewage being dumped into the rivers people have to live from and running down the streets of informal settlements. Is that not just a continuation of "dehumanisation"? We have a 60% youth unemployment rate because our economy isn't growing. Is that not still exclusion from the economy and job reservation? Max sometimes makes sense, and some of what he says here I can agree with, but some of the stuff he spouts here make him sound like just another brainwashed lefty.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Apr 2025, 09:19
#5
07 Apr 2025, 09:19#5

"Imagine my bewilderment when Donald Trump and his “first buddy”, South African-born Elon Musk, declared that we Afrikaners are a threatened species (a blatant lie, they claimed no such thing); that our black compatriots are engaged in a “genocide” (another lie); that we are victims of oppression and discrimination and as such offered special refugee status in the United States (true) – at the very point in time that thousands of migrants to that country are being repelled or deported. The US state department is even preparing “refugee centres” in Pretoria to house these “victims”. (unsubstantiated rumor being peddled as fact)


The criticisms and threats coming from Trump, his secretary of state, Marco Rubio, and Musk outraged the majority of South Africans because the claims were patently false (no, it's not false, it's factual and accurate) and were seen as unacceptable meddling with internal affairs. A section of the white population, however – the ethnic Afrikaner nationalists and separatists (sounds like something from Star Wars) – welcomed the US intervention, leading to harsh exchanges with racial undertones on social and other media. (the ANC, MK and the EFF added the racial undertones)

Just for the record: Afrikaners are generally better off today than prior to 1994 (what a disillusioned load of bollocks), when they gave up political power; materially, culturally and in terms of personal freedom.



Max is living in on Cloud Coo-coo.


PS...there's a difference between asylum and refugee status.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
07 Apr 2025, 13:42
#6
07 Apr 2025, 13:42#6

No claim of a white people genocide going on in South Africa... Waooo, denial runs so deep among liberals. Incredible stuff. Liberals are very funny people, they are going to kill hundreds of millions of people...

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
07 Apr 2025, 13:49
#7
07 Apr 2025, 13:49#7

We have people begging for water, the most basic human right, because inept and corrupt municipalities don't maintain infrastructure and don't have the skills or funds to increase capacity, because their only skill is "misappropriating" those funds.


What colour of skin are the beggars? The main difference between SA under Apartheid and the current liberal SA Africa is that the black skinned majority is hard to hide and deny. The documentation exists on the Apartheid times so claims are denial. Of course, they have all the troubles in the wolrd to adjust capabilities as the black skinned majority was not supposed to exist and the country was governed as if their needs did not exist. SA has made a business of exporting gold (money) so it is going to be hard. By the way, as it is mandatory when running certain agendas, SA under the apartheid made plans to get rid of the black skinned population, liberal countries will have to do the same, the Trump administration has already taken measures to favour the processs. Kolmanskop incoming.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Apr 2025, 08:07
#8
08 Apr 2025, 08:07#8

"SA under the apartheid made plans to get rid of the black skinned population, "


A lie.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Apr 2025, 08:19
#9
08 Apr 2025, 08:19#9

Trust Blo to copy and paste this.


Lekker BLM, ne Blo

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
08 Apr 2025, 08:51
#10
08 Apr 2025, 08:51#10

It is as much of a lie as archives lie. Liberals must be schooled by the history of their own country. Denial is such a thing among liberals.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Apr 2025, 09:10
#11
08 Apr 2025, 09:10#11

Nazi spaceship, chavs on the moon, differential pressure, jelly bean, 21 inch rim rims, kill all fury friends in Russia, bubbles, beaches, blue whales and vape juice.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Apr 2025, 10:29
#12
08 Apr 2025, 10:29#12

"t is as much of a lie as archives lie. Liberals must be schooled by the history of their own country. Denial is such a thing among liberals.


History is written by those in charge, in South Africa's case those who outbred the rest...I've seen 1st hand how they distorted the history I lived through....but go on believing what you do...I'm sure in your mind it justifies your hatred...no skin of my back...we are stronger than most...we will prevail and survive against the odds and it will make us even stronger...as it did the last 373 years.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
08 Apr 2025, 15:02
#13
08 Apr 2025, 15:02#13

Liberals do not even perceive their own lies. The drafted plans to get rid of black skinned people have not been distorted in any sense, they were found in the archives of the apartheid regime (at least in the part that survived the massive destruction that happened when a change in regime was forced. They were probably more plans drafted but they were destroyed) Strong people face the consequences of their actions, it is when their strength is known. Can not see that in anything related to white people in South Africa. Liberals are very alike to criminals, except that criminals are less conniving. Liberals claim that it is a government duty to register its own actions so it can be held accountable. At least, criminals accept themselves as they are, they do not pretend to be other people. Those who outbred the rest is another perception that will lead to hundreds of millions to be killed as liberals are sinking in their contradictions.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Apr 2025, 15:10
#14
08 Apr 2025, 15:10#14

Somewhere some lunatic fringe might have contemplated such nonsense, but never has anyone of significance propagated getting rid of black people...on the other hand...

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
08 Apr 2025, 15:31
#15
08 Apr 2025, 15:31#15

In South Africa? Of course, they were plans drafted to get rid of black skinned people. People came to the conclusion they had no other choices but to get rid of them given the course they had given to the country. The same is happening with liberal countries, they are now facing the emergency of getting rid of hundreds of millions people as the liberal stories are losing their power to fool people. When you can no longer fool people into submisson, you must get rid of them. The tarrif taxes are a huge story, as liberals are renegating on many of their so called liberal economics tenets. Tenets that were forced on too many people and have caused their empoverishment.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Apr 2025, 16:53
#16
08 Apr 2025, 16:53#16

Dis jou kop se k@k daai...there's a difference between "getting rid of" and "preventing unrestrained migration"...

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
08 Apr 2025, 17:02
#17
08 Apr 2025, 17:02#17

It has nothing to do with migration. As to unrestrained migration, historicall, white people are the most invasive population, nobody has migrated as much as them, substituting themselves to local populations. It is only bad when the others do it.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Apr 2025, 18:57
#18
08 Apr 2025, 18:57#18

...yes, yes, I know...the "blame everything on the white debils(sic)" horse sh!t...

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Apr 2025, 19:10
#19
08 Apr 2025, 19:10#19

"white people are the most invasive population"


Well, there's a reason why Europeans invaded and conquered pretty much everywhere else . . . they were miles ahead in terms of technology.


North America, South America, Africa and most of Asia just weren't anywhere close to Europe in terms of their technology, their inventions and - importantly - their vaccines . . . and their indigenous populations were either exterminated or subjugated.


There's a very good book by Jared Diamond call "Guns, Germs and Steel" which gives a very good insight into how and why Europe conquered the rest of the world . . . and the title of the book identifies the three main factors.


None of this touches on the arts where Europe were probably even further ahead of everyone else.


Nothing to do with racism or supremacism . . . just fact.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Apr 2025, 20:31
#21
08 Apr 2025, 20:31#21

‘North America, South America, Africa and most of Asia just weren't anywhere close to Europe in terms of their technology, their inventions and - importantly - their vaccines.’ ….says Drinksbreak


That’s the reason Europeans exterminated them? Because they didn’t have our vaccines? Here’s the timeline:


The most devastating waves of disease among Indigenous populations due to European contact occurred primarily during the 16th to 18th centuries, especially in the Americas. These epidemics began soon after first contact and often wiped out 50–90% of native populations in affected regions — far more than warfare or displacement in most cases.


……

1796Edward Jenner (UK)
  1. Discovered that cowpox could protect against smallpox.
  2. Created the first vaccine by inoculating people with material from cowpox blisters.


……..


Vaccines were deployed in Europe long after the vast majority of settler epidemics had passed. Really stupid.


But here’s something for the pantheon of stupidity….if the Europeans were vaccinated, they weren’t going to get the disease and spread it to the indigenous people. Vaccination prevents spread of disease it doesn’t cause it, except in very rare instances


There’s stupid, then there’s truly dumb, then there’s Drinksbreak.


ROFL…a Board classic.

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Apr 2025, 20:37
#22
08 Apr 2025, 20:37#22

"Guns, Germs and Steel", Moffie. It's a very good book. Read it and educate yourself.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Apr 2025, 20:50
#23
08 Apr 2025, 20:50#23

Vaccinations had nothing to do with the great population declines….educate YOURSELF

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Apr 2025, 20:59
#24
08 Apr 2025, 20:59#24

Mabe, but it prevented a desaster in the 18th century


"The smallpox vaccine is used to prevent smallpox infection caused by the variola virus.[10] It is the first vaccine to have been developed against a contagious disease. In 1796, British physician Edward Jenner demonstrated that an infection with the relatively mild cowpox virus conferred immunity against the deadly smallpox virus..."


...so not nothing...

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Apr 2025, 21:08
#25
08 Apr 2025, 21:08#25

In the 19th century…..by which time most of the effects had passed:


European diseases, particularly smallpox, measles, and influenza, decimated Native American populations in North America following European contact, with an estimated 80-95% population decline occurring within the first 100-150 years after Christopher Columbus's arrival in 1492.





MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Apr 2025, 21:12
#26
08 Apr 2025, 21:12#26

No need to defend Drinksbreak …..he has just dropped a huge turd….he wouldn’t defend you, get a grip.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Apr 2025, 21:22
#27
08 Apr 2025, 21:22#27

Not defending him...you know how I despise him, but there's something to what he said...and I know he won't ever say anything positive about me...but even a poephol can be right sometimes...I can't understand why a smart person like yourself can take trivial things so seriously...a difference of opinion is not a declaration of war...you don't have to convince me of Rude's mala fides, I know he's a d!ckhead...doesn't mean everything he says is wrong.


PS, you reacted less extreme than I thought you would...so there's progress.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Apr 2025, 21:48
#28
08 Apr 2025, 21:48#28

Mozart


Interesting - in thee 1760's Catherne The Great got a Scottish doctor t vaccinate all court staff aginst small-pox, She arranged especially for a special plan to allow the Dr to flee from Russia should things go wrong/


She afterwads brought the doctor back and 25 000 pople wer vaccinated - a first in Russia, Th Doctor ws rigchly rewarded for his services thrugha lifelong pesnion of 5000 pounds per year,


Small pox hit the Cape from 1710 to 1730 and wiped out the local population - but also infected people from Europe who never was vaccinated, ,


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Apr 2025, 22:12
#29
08 Apr 2025, 22:12#29

Look at it this way Draad. Drinksbreak exists to humiliate posters for small mistakes. He initiates that interchange all the time and is always alert to any way he can get back at me.. But he keeps putting his foot in it all the time and then I simply turn the tables on him. It’s happened so many times one could scarcely count.


Why bother? Because he deserves it. Over the years I’ve seen him do the same thing with Hysteria and you in particular. You try to be collegial and he rams it down your throat. He creates the rules.


It appears, and I say this reluctantly because I don’t easily give up on any human…but it appears he wants this snippy warfare. So I do it, but sadly for him, he can’t win. So it goes on. But for you to ever hold out the olive branch is just have it smack you in the face. It will never be appreciated.


So just stop already, it’s cringeworthy

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Apr 2025, 22:30
#30
08 Apr 2025, 22:30#30

"You try to be collegial and he rams it down your throat. He creates the rules."


I won't let his reactions dictate my actions...he creates the rules because you let him...I try to let the principle govern, regardless of the source...and I couldn't care less about his klaskaptein attitude...it's all in his head.



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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Apr 2025, 23:02
#31
08 Apr 2025, 23:02#31

Far better to beat him at his own game than have him reject your peace initiatives, but each to his own.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Apr 2025, 23:05
#32
08 Apr 2025, 23:05#32

Inoculate Mike…the first vaccination occurred in 1796.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Apr 2025, 06:24
#33
09 Apr 2025, 06:24#33

I can't beat Rudehole at his own game...I'm no saint, but even I refuse to go there...I try to be fair, even if it's at my own expense...not saying I always succeeed, but I try to evaluate things on their merit and not the source...

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Apr 2025, 08:03
#34
09 Apr 2025, 08:03#34

Mozart


Mass vaccinations started in 1796 - vaccimes were developed at least 70 years earlier and used in a limited way by Governments to cover esecially the wealthy and aristocracies, M own male ancestor wnet to Mauritius - then a Duch colony - and from their moved to the Cape Colony arriving on 26 January 1709 in Cape Town Both the father and mother died of small pox in 1713 - but the children survived and from there they moved to the Swllendam area by 1746 when a new town was established - whereupon the local farmers - wishing to escae from the Government moved further east,




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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 Apr 2025, 10:35
#35
09 Apr 2025, 10:35#35

"Drinksbreak exists to humiliate posters for small mistakes."


Actually Moffie, that is exactly what you do.


Let me know when you think you've turned the tables on me because it will be an historic moment on this board. You're too stupid to know when you're getting egg all over your stupid, fat face.


LMAO!

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 Apr 2025, 11:09
#36
09 Apr 2025, 11:09#36

Rooi...when do you ever make a normal post about something that isn't an attack on someone?


It really super rare, unfortunately so as well.


You do make it very difficult to believe that you are in fact happy with your life.


Why not try to chill a little and focus a tad less on negativity.


Are you afraid that you'll appear weak if you do?


Look back at the post you made about the Kruger, when you told us about your holiday.


Notice how it was received.


Why wouldn't you wanna be that guy more often?



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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 Apr 2025, 11:31
#37
09 Apr 2025, 11:31#37

ButtPlug, I don't actually think it's possible for me to articulate just how little I care what you think of me or what/how you think I should post.


So I won't even try.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 Apr 2025, 11:39
#38
09 Apr 2025, 11:39#38

It's not about what I think...


Its about acting like a prick 90% of the time and probably shortening your own life in the process.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Apr 2025, 11:40
#39
09 Apr 2025, 11:40#39

Plum, he enjoys being a d!ck... some sort of twisted release for him.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 Apr 2025, 11:51
#40
09 Apr 2025, 11:51#40

He probably believes that it makes him appear a bit tough...


A nasty and bitter little wanker really

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