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Attacks on hotels and Easter Worshippers

Started by Mozart128 REPLIES1,657 VIEWS· 25 Apr 2019, 23:14
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Apr 2019, 23:14
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25 Apr 2019, 23:14#1
This from the Telegraph......a conservative but not radical newspaper: Easter Sunday was such a heavenly day. The churchyard was frothing with blossom. Young and old were there to celebrate. The anguish and suffering of Good Friday was banished. Even those of us whose faith is less a rock, more a comforting pebble, could enjoy belting out, “Thine be the glory, risen, conquering Son.” But not this year. Some wiped away tears as they sang. News had filtered through. Five thousand miles away, another Calvary. In Sri Lanka, hell had broken loose. Islamist terrorists, bombs strapped to their backs, had gone into churches on the holiest day in the Christian calendar with the express purpose of murdering as many innocents as possible. There was also carnage at hotels popular with Western tourists. “It remains unclear who carried out the attacks,” the BBC website was still insisting 12 hours after the massacres. We knew. And they knew. But if you stayed tuned to the news all day, you would not hear the word “terrorist” and certainly not the most inflammatory term of all: “Christian”. The contrast with the reporting of the mosque shootings in New Zealand could not have been more striking. Back in March, there was no doubt that the massacres in Christchurch, by a lone gunman during Friday prayers, were motivated by hatred of Muslims. One evil man’s actions were swiftly used to extrapolate an entire theory of racism on the Right. Journalists like me, who had dared to criticise the burka, or the grievous failure of integration (finally admitted by Tony Blair this week, I see), were said by Leftists to be guilty of Islamophobia and therefore “implicated” in the murder of 50 men, women and children. When it’s the other way around, though, the denial is deafening. Theresa May tweeted, “The acts of violence against churches and hotels in Sri Lanka are truly appalling, and my sympathies go out to all of those affected at this tragic time.” But they weren’t acts of violence against buildings, were they, Prime Minister? If you detonate a bomb inside a church on Easter Sunday, the result does tend to be that you kill an awful lot of followers of Jesus Christ. When a vicar’s daughter decides that it’s wiser not to mention the C-word, you know that fear is now greater than faith. Compare and contrast the reaction of Hillary Clinton to the two tragedies. On Sunday, she tweeted, “I’m praying for everyone affected by today’s horrific attacks on Easter worshippers and travellers in Sri Lanka.” Easter worshippers? That’s a clunking new euphemism for Christians. When the mosques in Christchurch were targeted, did Clinton talk of Ramadan worshippers? No, she wrote, “My heart breaks for New Zealand and the global Muslim community.” I’m afraid that politicians like Clinton and May are paralysed by a terrible dilemma. It’s too scary to admit that militant Islamists are at war with Christianity and Western civilization, that vandalism of churches is rife across Europe and that, according to the Pew Report, Christianity is the world’s most persecuted religion. Subscribe now for unlimited access to our Premium content Enjoy this Premium article? Get all of our exclusive articles from our award-winning journalists by signing up to an All Digital Access subscription now. Start free trial In order to cover up this inconvenient truth, politicians and the police increasingly try to create a false equivalence between terrorism committed by the far-Right and by Islamists. It’s a downright lie. In the UK alone, intelligence officers have identified 23,000 jihadist extremists, at least 3,000 of whom are believed to pose an active threat. Scores of foul fiends must have plotted and carried out the Sri Lankan attacks. This is deeply uncomfortable for the liberal media, which responds with shifty obfuscation. On Monday, The Washington Post ran a bizarre story about the Easter Sunday massacre with the headline, “Sri Lanka church bombings stoke far-Right anger in the West”. That was wildly premature, but it inadvertently revealed their overwhelming concern: not that so many had been slaughtered, but that such horrors would provoke a backlash against Muslims. The Post continued, “far-Right groups began to describe the attacks in specifically religious terms”. Possibly not unrelated to the fact that the Sri Lankan authorities had just blamed a militant Islamist group. “To some”, the paper opined gingerly, “it was further proof that Christians in many parts of the world are under attack.” Well, yes, the cold-blooded murder of more than 290 people, most of them Christians in their place of worship, does tend to give credence to the theory that a certain religion is “under attack”. Sorry. You know, we had been thinking of taking a holiday this Easter in Sri Lanka because so many friends, some of them Sri Lankans, had urged us to go. We could easily have been the Nicholsons. Mum, Anita with her adorable son and daughter, Alex and Annabel, having breakfast in their Colombo hotel while dad, Ben, popped up to the room, or back to the buffet. A beautiful family wiped out in a split second, leaving him to wonder why he was spared. In that same restaurant, Anne Storm Pedersen, the wife of Danish billionaire, Anders Holch Povlsen, cried out for people to pray for three of her four children who had just been murdered. The mind melts at the thought of such intolerable suffering. Most likely, though, we would have dragged the kids, protesting, to church at the nearby St Anthony’s. In typical CofE fashion, we would have tried to join in the familiar hymns and prayers, a quarter of a beat behind. “Though we are many we are one body, because we all share in one bread.” It is still unclear how many of the thousand-strong congregation were killed. Video footage shows a man walking into St Sebastian’s church in Negombo carrying a bomb and entering a pew. Moments later, all the good, happy people around him were gone. At Zion Church in Batticaloa, 14 children at the Sunday school were among the victims. They were my brothers and sisters. Sharing a belief in the love that passeth all understanding made them the target of a vast and incomprehensible hatred, which is a danger to each and every one of us. They were not Easter worshippers. How dare cowards call them that, to avoid giving offence. At the very least, they deserve to be referred to by their rightful name. Say it aloud: they were Christians. May God rest their souls.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Apr 2019, 23:25
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25 Apr 2019, 23:25#2
And we have Pope Francis expressing sorrow and unity with the victims. Okay, but how about anger at the treatment of these Christians.....how about steps to protect Christians. Surely the Pope has enough standing to intercede for Christians with offending countries. This tentative reaction is a long way from Pope Julius who rode out with the troops to protect the church. This Pope ostentatiously washes feet, opines on things he knows little about....but never speaks out about the obvious risk Moslems pose to Christians. I can't say he is any more engaged than Hillary Clinton or Theresa May.
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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
26 Apr 2019, 03:56
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26 Apr 2019, 03:56#3

Calling for a Crusade are we Moz? hahahahaha and there you were saying my teams name is a disgrace.

Is he going to charge into battle on his trusty pope mobile?

FFS why don't you lot just kiss your gods arse and ask for him to smite the non believers, should be a flick of the fingers for your god considering he has done it before and all.

Love how you say your god is loving and kind and caring and will look over his flock and protect them but they get slaughtered in their thousands and he does nothing. Ever considered you're praying to the wrong god?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Apr 2019, 04:04
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26 Apr 2019, 04:04#4
A Crusade? Nope.....simply asking him to stand up for the Rights of Christians. What is rather disappointing is that none of you chaps spoke up the Sri Lankan victims. But I can't say I'm surprised.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
26 Apr 2019, 06:55
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26 Apr 2019, 06:55#5

"What is rather disappointing is that none of you chaps spoke up the Sri Lankan victims."

Good pickup Moz, not a single wimp out of the Kiwis after all the indignation of not being outspoken in condemning the Christchurch killer and killings.

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SebPro2,680 posts
26 Apr 2019, 07:27
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26 Apr 2019, 07:27#6

Good post Mozart...the world hates Christians and the message is clear from what Christ said would happen...if you follow Him you will be despised and rejected by men in the same way He was.

Other religions are tolerated and there is clearly a veil, a smokescreen that blinds mankind and just sees what he wants to. It's a spiritual thing, a spiritual war against the right and truthful things launched by unseen forces of Satanic forces...but the biggest damage is caused is in the hearts and minds and confusion there. Satan's strategy is deception and often appears as an angel of light to mastermind confusion. Satan is real...to believe in a God without Satan is a mockery and makes God a tyrant...all the evil you see is NOT God's will. Why things like this happen are beyond our comprehension but that does not mean we throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Any attack on harmless people is abhorrent and what happened recently in NZ was awful and sad but yes the silence about Sri Lanka is deafening to say the least. It's not only hypocrisy at it's worse but a sign of a falling world...that too is happening fast.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
26 Apr 2019, 09:08
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26 Apr 2019, 09:08#7
What would you call someone who has the ability to prevent a tragedy or an atrocity that causes loss of life from happening but just sits back and lets it happen anyway?
A coward . . . a murderer?
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 09:27
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26 Apr 2019, 09:27#8

Ready the horses and pack my flail Alfred. 

We're off on The Crusades 2.0.

Mos the sick politicians won't mention the word Christian because it'll cost them votes. Even a loss of a few thousand votes is worth selling out for.

musliMs won't use the term victim because they hate christians and it's a sin for them to show mercy, compassion or empathy with anything other than their own.

They'll apologise for something that makes their faith look bad, but that's about as much as you'll get.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Apr 2019, 09:38
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26 Apr 2019, 09:38#9

Cloudy

There was some vandals on site that tried to turn the horrible Christchurch attack into something like a religious attack which should never have occurred.   As you say killing of innocent people should be condemned as barbaric - irrespective of who committed the crime.  

I was worried that  the Christchurch attack would lead to a revenge attack elsewhere and said so when discussing he issue.    What I was hoping was that it would not happen - but it did and all civilized people should condemn it.

The fact is that the world is moving to a situation which is vey dangerous to world peace.   he situation in the Middle East is dire and there is not only a danger of erupting into a war between Muslims and non-Muslim countries - but even more so between the two major sects within the Muslim community.    That could be disastrous for many nations.

The Americans made a total hash by getting involved in Iraq and Afghanistan - as well as helping with development of further hotspots like Libya, Syria and Yemen.   

Even though he is never credited with it Trump is trying to get out of involvement of the US by gtting out the remaining US troops from Iraq and Syria and it is likely to happen in Afghanistan as well.   It is not for Western Countries to involve themselves in wars within Muslim countries and the idea to install democracy in countries with a completely different culture  is lunacy.

However, the settling of millions of migrants in Western  Europe is also causing problems.   Even in Germany and France there is a negative reaction that can cause further trouble between Muslims and  the non-Muslim majorities.

In any event there are major problems facing the world and ordinary people should express their horror in what is happening.       .   

           

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SebPro2,680 posts
26 Apr 2019, 09:50
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26 Apr 2019, 09:50#10

Cloudy I was not inferring to you at all but the world's political stance.

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
26 Apr 2019, 09:57
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26 Apr 2019, 09:57#11
Any attack on innocent people is to be condemned. Us "Westerners" feel threatened by cultures from the third world, especially the Muslims, "invading" our lives. But there has been a blurring of the lines between terrorists and immigrants. Immigration, especially illegal immigration, is an issue that has spiraled out of control world wide. It is the main reason for the current nationalistic sentiment in many places. It needs to be addressed. But these cowardly acts of terrorism on churches and mosques are not the same thing. Most acts of terrorism are committed by very isolated pockets of people, many of whom are white or native to the countries they attack. Yes I know the Christchurch attacker was from Aus, but Aus and NZ are so similar that it really doesn't matter. 
My statement. We should condemn any attack on any innocent person. Full stop.  If you feel the need to add a but to the end of my statement, then you are a fool.     
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Apr 2019, 10:33
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26 Apr 2019, 10:33#12

"I didn't say anything because last time I said anything I was attacked" - says Cloudy.  How feeble do you get! 

People appear to be surprised at how globalist politicians and their MSM have responded to these murders and the contrast with how the Christchurch massacre was reported.

Surely these same people could not be ignorant about how the globalist MSM tries at every turn to whitewash Islam and call anybody criticizing Islam as a ISLAMOPHOBE. Indeed they are accused of hate speech racism etc. Look what happened to Tommy Robinson who is fighting against the islamification of the UK. 

Anybody still denying the the Globalists are in alliance with Islam cannot have been paying attention. 

Remarkably there are Jews, LGBT groups and Feminists supporting the Pro Islam demonrat party. Explain that. 

But the deluded atheists for some weird reason (actually it's just because they are of the same spirit) also love Islam. As if Islam tolerates atheism!! 

Islam does not tolerate anything but Islam. 

So why have the open border globalist been so supportive of the Muslim invasion of Europe and North America etc. Why are the Globalists so anti Jews and Christians. I have spelt out the reason more than once. 

Like the man made Climate Change hoax some are not asking why is Islam being forced upon Western Civilization. It is noted by these profound thinkers that the politicians and the MSM are acting strange but the reasons for this are not asked.

No nation is safe from the Globalist/Islamic alliance. The fight now to recover national sovereignty by the nations making up Western Civilization is now fully engaged. It is a battle that must be won. The good news is the great awakening that is going on around the world. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 10:34
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26 Apr 2019, 10:34#13

Indeed what a shithole this site is. So full of abuse. 

Poor thing. 

Best we all agree with everything. 

Haven forbid Ruckers is reported for being a sexist and xenophobic meeting place for the worst the world has to offer.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 10:36
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26 Apr 2019, 10:36#14

Beeno

I just apply their own rules to them.

No compassion for me...Not a single shit given for you.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Apr 2019, 10:50
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26 Apr 2019, 10:50#15

Does anybody think that the open borders policy of the EU, Canada, the demonrats and the UN Migration Pact just happened and for no reason! Surely nobody but rooitwit and Sharktwit can be that dumb. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 11:12
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26 Apr 2019, 11:12#16

Can someone point me in the direction of the Complaint Form download ?

I need one and I'll print an extra for you Cloudy.

Maybe we mail pool...ya know, save on stamps and all.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 11:16
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26 Apr 2019, 11:16#17

And no, I just live by on rule really.

Treat others the way they treat you.

So if you want to know how much I care about musliM deaths, you're best off understanding what MusliMs think of the killing of Christians, Atheists, Agnostics, Hindus, Taoists, Buddhists and everyone "else".

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 11:32
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26 Apr 2019, 11:32#18

Let's see, the most recent incident. 

Bought a car at auction from musliMs. They lied to the owner saying it had not been sold. Lied to me saying they couldn't get the papers as the owner was deceased. 

I tracked down the owner and we discovered their deceit.

Phoned the dog and told him the game was up.

His response...

"How dare you contact our client? I can't talk now, going into mosquE."

He could go into mosquE without regret because his religion tells him he can steal from, lie to, kill and deceive non-believers.

And before you call BS...forward me an email address and I'll send you all the correspondence. Yeah, you won't accept the evidence. Apologists never do.

But I'll guess, now that I've given you just one example, as you asked for, and of which there are many, you'll dodge in some other direction.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 11:33
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26 Apr 2019, 11:33#19

Anyway, stop this, before the uneducated halfwit makes a reappearance on your behalf.

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
26 Apr 2019, 11:35
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26 Apr 2019, 11:35#20

All I can say is the sooner the world is done with religion and people move into reality the better.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 11:49
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26 Apr 2019, 11:49#21

So predictable.

And I've purchased around fifteen cars in my life. 

Only once had a problem. You asked for one example. I have many more.

Oh, and just to cheer you up...

Type "Rugby Cheats" into Google. 

See which nation features more than all the others combined. 

So much smoke. So many mirrors.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 11:52
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26 Apr 2019, 11:52#22

Oh, bring the halfwit back. He's more interesting. I use the word "interesting" with great sarcasm and extremely loosely.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 11:58
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26 Apr 2019, 11:58#23

Here's another for you.

A musliM client couldn't afford work that needed doing. He was a pensioner.

It was only a couple of hours of work and I felt sorry for him. 

I did the work for free, in my spare time.

Dog phoned me on the Monday demanding more free work on something unrelated or he was gonna tell the company that I charged him for the work and did a private job for him.

I said no.

He followed through. Almost got me fired.

I'd done the same thing for many retired people because I felt sorry for them. Nothing to do with religion. Never charged a penny and it was never a problem.

The one time I did the same for a musliM...

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 12:38
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26 Apr 2019, 12:38#24

No, not Saderfan.

I skip lunch on Fridays. Intermittent fasting. Does wonders for the figure. You should try it...maybe you'll find a man ;)

And, sorry, did I misunderstand you when you asked for examples?

Confused again?

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
26 Apr 2019, 13:00
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26 Apr 2019, 13:00#25
Plum and Cloudy. I reckon put this one to bed before it escalates to a pointless place where everyone wants to leave and there are forced apologies etc. Lets call it bygones Friday?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Apr 2019, 13:04
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26 Apr 2019, 13:04#26

Plum I think possibly Cloudy actually is not a Christian but a Muslim. 

She finds it incredibly difficult to say much in defense of Christianity. Heck Dr Moz is not a Christian but is fair minded enough to post that great article. Cloudy on the other hand finds no problem with Islam despite a mountain of evidence regarding what Islam is about. Cloudy go and don you burka/hijab and have done with this farce. Or, if by some chance I am wrong about you go and live somewhere under Sharia Law. You need to wise up fast.

It's neigh impossible to be as ignorant as Cloudy unless you have an agenda. 

One think I am certain about. The kiwis here show every sign of being brainwashed dummies of the Globalists and their MSM and school system. 

Unless things change nz will be a Muslim Caliphate within decades. They are ripe for the taking and I am sure Muslims around the world have picked up on this. 

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
26 Apr 2019, 13:05
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26 Apr 2019, 13:05#27
I can see this discussion heading in the direction of family members being called names etc. Please just call it quits before it gets there guys. There really is no point. 
Clouds, just on the Christchurch shootings, I absolutely condemned them, as did many on this site. It was not just two people. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Apr 2019, 13:10
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26 Apr 2019, 13:10#28

By the way somebody posted stats showing how Islamic terror attacks against all sorts of people FAR FAR exceeded and attack they come under from non Muslims. FACT.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Apr 2019, 14:23
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26 Apr 2019, 14:23#29

I am flattered to think you imagine I can can convert anybody to Christianity. 

Go and read John's Gospel chapter 1

Please post photo of you in your hijab! Preferably in front of some mosque. Doubtless you wore one. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 14:38
#30
26 Apr 2019, 14:38#30

"It just seems every time(every time, really?) I express an opinion(subjective as fuck) I get attacked(yes, degraded beyond compare and sworn at) not surprised many have left this place(condescending, passive aggressive guilt trip & insult much?)."

And the above statement was in response to Moz saying that the Kiwi silence has been deafening. Which was 100% true.

Clearly Moz, CC, Mike, Beeno, myself, Draad, BloBok, Sharkbok, Seb, Rooi, Saderfan, Pakie, Flash, DA and everyone else were gonna run you off the board if you opened your mouth. 

Poor victim. 

Then you also followed that with...

"Don’t have to speak out on it to say it was wrong."

After the following statement on the thread about the killings in NZ...

"Then a BUT which means nothing. You didn't condem anything you only justified it"

When the "BUT" in question was in regards to white liberals having to understand their part(however much it is) in why the shooting happened. IE forced immigration

So your logic is as follows...

I don't have to condemn anything, because everyone knows what a good heart i have. At the same time, i can entirely misrepresent what someone else is saying and accuse them of condoning murder. And when all else fails...i'll just play the victim, because i'm so "attacked" (ref: above).

Great job. Represent







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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 15:02
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26 Apr 2019, 15:02#31

Just swooping down, many many miles, to your level...dear. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 15:06
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26 Apr 2019, 15:06#32

Did you say big guns? I was referring to obese buns. 

Think we got our wires crossed.

Easy mistake to make.

You're forgiven. 



PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 15:08
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26 Apr 2019, 15:08#33

Turkeys don’t swoop......dear.

Indeed, they waddle.

Waddle waddle...waddle waddle.

Two saggy chins?

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
26 Apr 2019, 15:14
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26 Apr 2019, 15:14#34

Plum

Excuse my curiosity....who is the "uneducated halfwit"?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 15:16
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26 Apr 2019, 15:16#35

No, its not my best. H orses for courses.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 15:21
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26 Apr 2019, 15:21#36

Hmmm, children tend to live at home right?

Jus t asking.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 15:23
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26 Apr 2019, 15:23#37

Ah Denny, he'll appear if i rev it over the 20% mark. 

Not sure how you all forgot about his magnificent manifestation last time.

Truly a spectacle. Or was it...testicle?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 15:30
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26 Apr 2019, 15:30#38

You don' t live in the basement though right? Got an upgrade at some point?

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Apr 2019, 15:34
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26 Apr 2019, 15:34#39

Cloudy stop being so argumentative just because you have exposed as a fake. 

Best just apologize for your supporting of jihad and gays etc. 


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Apr 2019, 15:38
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26 Apr 2019, 15:38#40

No Cloudy. 

I live in the basement's basement. 

It's warm, dark and comfortable. 

"How’s that working for you?"


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