Attacks on hotels and Easter Worshippers

Rooi

Might be missing something, but I think Deb has a) had a Sunday glass of wine or two and b) is talking about me, not you.

Moz

The Nobel prize stats are also rather skewed. The Arabs were doing so well until Islam. Just like Europe before Christianity. 

Seems it takes time before people to filter the good from the bad in religion and the assimilation is never blood free.

Also sort of explains how comfortable Jews are with their faith and how jealous their enemies are.

About he can do is make his face (how do they know it him as noone knows what he looks like) appear on toast and even a biscuit. Seem a lot less impressive than what he did 2000 years ago.

You have to ask yourself why he has lost his powers dont you.

He cant even cure a cold let alone save thousands of babies starving to death while all the followers sit stuffing their face and buying sports cars ( yes i am talking to you snowflake) why dont you follow your gods words or is it only the bits that suit you that you follow?

About all he can do is make his face (how do they know it him as no one knows what he looks like) appear on toast and even a biscuit. Seem a lot less impressive than what he did 2000 years ago.

You have to ask yourself why he has lost his powers dont you.

He cant even cure a cold let alone save thousands of babies starving to death while all the followers sit stuffing their face and buying sports cars ( yes i am talking to you snowflake) why dont you follow your gods words or is it only the bits that suit you that you follow?

I have experienced healing many time and the first occasion was instantaneous and dramatic. God heals and raises people from the dead - Read Take Thy Glory Lord. When you are not involved in living  Christianity you don't know about these things and have no idea as to how the Church is growing. That leads to silly comments like those made by old crust fan. 

Old crust fan you and poor rooitwit babble on about Christianity from a position of complete spiritual blindness and appalling  ignorance  

It's always so wonderful to see raging atheists come to Christ. They cross from darkness to light. I mentioned world leading atheist Antony Flew but there have been countless cases. They often have very powerful testimonies. 

The Apostle Paul was also raging against Christ when the risen Lord appeared to him on the road to Damascus. That was that, no more arguments from Paul. 

Wonder if we will see these to raging God haters in the Kingdom. How wonderful that would be. 

I am sure there are atheist fakes around pedaling the Gospel for profit as Satan always tries to infiltrate the Church. 

Never the less Sharkbok unlike you I know there is healing in Jesus Mighty Name. The guy who first spoke to me was a Welshman. Played for the junior Welsh rugby side and was an atheist. Then he contacted an incurable disease and Groote Schuur gave him a year to live. 

He was in considerable pain and a Christian friend suggested he come to a meeting where an American evangelist would be praying for the.sick.

He told the Christian he didn't believe in that rubbish. The Christian said what have you got to lose. 

So he went was prayed and was healed. That shook him to the core. But when asked by the Christian whether he wanted to receive Christ as Saviour he said No. 

But he had a huge problem. The pain was completely gone. He had been healed in the Name of somebody who had died 2000 odd years ago. 

To cut a long story short after much wrestling with God he was gloriously saved. The most valuable thing he said to me was because Jesus rose from the dead and is alive for evermore He can reveal HIMSELF to you. 

And so HE did. 

Poor Sharkbok and rooitwit know nothing of these things and have no idea who they are mocking. 

Well for 1 i dont prey on the weak and simple and bilk them of their last cent so they can buy a seat on the last shuttle.

Have you never noticed the wealth of these church groups, most of their income come from the supposed people they are suppose to help.

I give to charities and the Salvation army is one of those. Am i better or worse than most, dont know. Could i do more, certainly but i am a firm believer in helping those that are prepared to help themselves.

1 thing i never do is give money as i have a lot of charities as customers and all of them waste money purely because its not their money. 

So are you going to explain why you dont do more?

Your quick to brag about your millions and fancy cars so its obvious you can do a lot more than me and as a christian your bible commands you to doesn't it or thats one of the optional parts of your bible.

Also why is it inappropriate to talk about the flaws and hypocrisy of your religion, is it so sacred that no mortal can voice his opinion on it. If i want to live like that i will move to North Korea. 

@Beeno, many people have been told by Doctors they have x amount of time, but have lived for much longer. Did Jesus save them all? Childish stuff Beeno, suitable for Sunday School kiddie stuff.

What about people that have died unexpectedly during operations, did Jesus kill them because it was their time to return to heaven.

Still amazing how the doctors never get the credit or the scientist that developed the procedures/ medicine that saves so many people.

I will put my faith (there you go you christians you can say see an atheist has faith after all) in people over a mythical being anyday.

If you lot were so sure of your faith you would never see a Dr just pray the death away. But you wont because the last 2000 years have proved it doesn't work.

And the biggest sign that none if you really believe is you all run to a hospital rather than a church when you crook

Sader

You believe or you don't. 

If you believe then you can attribute everything to God. From the big bang to antibiotics. It's quite simple. 

If you don't have faith then you attribute all these to whatever scientific principle, groups of people or coincidence science suggests caused it.

Personally I watch and read a lot about physics, cosmology, engineering, medicine, transhumanism, ufology and other fields. I do this from a position of fence sitter. 

My view is that creationism is as likely an explanation as any other but that the creator/s may or may not be God/s.

The parts of doctrines that call on people to behave negatively towards others should be pointed out, mocked and removed from human cultures. 

The parts that give people hope, teach them love and cause them to help and support other people should be held high and passed on until the end of time.

Belittling spiritual beliefs or scientific hypothesis are both silly things to do.

Remember the poor father and son duo that first proposed an asteroid as having wiped out the dinosaurs? They were slated by everyone for over ten years. Now it's fact. And what's just as interesting is that that one specific collision paved the way for large land mammals, including humans, to evolve inside the space left behind by TRex and co.

Something is stupid until it's not. And then sometimes it opens the door to great depth of understanding. Calling something stupid before you know that it truly is, only delays discovery.

Well i have never experiences or seen 1 thing that supports the christian faith (or any other religion which i will admit i know very little about having grown up in a so called christian country)

Until i do i will continue to be an atheist, if their is a god he obviously wants me to ba an Atheist.

As far as i know its a free world and people can believe what they want but since it is a free world  people have the right to voice their opposition to other peoples beliefs especially  where they try and force those beliefs on other people.

And no christian ( or muslim) cannot say that is what they are trying to do.

I say fuck off and attend your church and pray to your god but try and force me to live my life how they think I should and i will ridicule them as much as i like..

(When i say you i dont mean you in particular i mean any religious zealot )

I agree, but I do also differentiate between...

A) Come to God or you are doomed, and...

B) if you have a different God then you don't deserve human treatment.

One is an opinion and in line with free speech, the other is a call to action IE hate speech as generally described by international law.

If there is a God he wants me to be atheist!

What a hapless noodle Crusader Fan is. He is ALL Victim. He has no choices - the poor sucker was forced to be an atheist. How much more drivel can the nutter utter????

Dr Moz da  Crusader Fan is confused - he means Islam. 

Well for a start you church is responsible for the outlawing of euthanasia.

If i am in that position that my mother was in when she died i would still say fuck off. She died like a dog and that is my fathers words.

As long as religious views are holding mankind back i will speak ot against such things.

Its your right to chose so why do you force this onto me?

I'm so sorry to hear that man.

And yeah, euthanasia laws are fucking ridiculous.

Especially since the same legal systems allow for activities that could easily result in the death of healthy people. As long as you sign on the line and have life insurance. Ridiculous.

Hopefully we will have it legalised in NZ soon. They are debating it at the moment.

Just as long as they ensure it is the person choice and cannot force anyone to be euthanized.

All my children know my views on this so i hope they dont have to watch me die in such a fashion

Sader, I'm actually more for euthanasia than abortion...if I had to choose...luckly I wasn't forced that choice yet. If the restrictions are due to Christianity, why are even 3rd term abbortions legal? I think you are attributing a general  confusion about ethics with Christian ethics....but that's a complicated discussion...your problem isn't with Christianity Christians , but rather some Christians/religious people.

On euthanasia...who decides...when do you lose the ability to make a competent choice...why is suicide illegal? Assisted suicide? Glen Agliotti got off on charges in SA...whole different kettle of fish.

The person that wants to go before they have to die in misey and pain.

I want that choice and at present i dont have it. Neither did my mother and i know what she would have wanted.

If its not the churches approach can you tell me why most of those in opposition a re quoting the bible as the reason to not allow it?

Funny how  so called "Christian " countries have the most euthanasia "friendly" laws in the world....so your argument holds no water, sorry.

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The reason it is illegal is because of the christian faith. The reason is most "christian" contries have moved past this is because christianity holds no power in these counteies any more.

Do you seiously believe that if these countries were still heavily religious that would have euthanasia as a legal option?

You do realise that christianity is now a minority in most european countries

The Catholic influence over contraception is another one that needs looking at.

It's q uite clear at this point that it's a numbers game for the church and to the detriment of countries.

Moz

There are a lot of children born in latin America to parents that can't afford them. 

Sure, people freely choose to listen to the church's advice and that's on them.

It's still bad advice and not in the best interest of its recipients or the communities they live in.

What's worse is the way the church plays the role of saviour to the downtrodden communities they have a hand in maintaining.

In that sense, I think, Sader has a point. Large institutions causing negativity that affects more than just it's members.