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I am not sure about who actually win wars. In the case of the Anglo Boer War the short term winners were the UK. By 2010 the Boers who lost the War took over the Government of the country and the UK never really attained dominance in SA politics.
In the case of the First World War the Allies destroyed stability in Europe and in the case of Russia the Communists were assisted financially by some institutions in the Allies set-up to take over Government in Russia and a number of independent states were created that caused chaos in the world leading to the Secoind World War,
Within twenty years after losing in the Second World War the German and Japanese economies were stronger than those of most of the Allies bar the USA. At this stage Germany dominates the political situation in the EU and in the EU economy. The UK and France dropped down in the world status.
My own opinion is that wars have strange consequences that are unpredictable. Wars in the last 150 years proved that over and over again. Take for instance the Iraq war and the actions of the USA and the EU in Afghanistan. It did not solve the problems - it just created new ones of even a greater disaster than originally existed, The traditional Arab system of Government will not be replaced by a democratic form of Government, They should be left to their own devices.
By the way Trump is correct in his efforts to get out of the war mire created by his predecessors. He is also correct about the Iran Treaty. Iran had double the amount of enriched Uranium they were allowed to in the treaty and enriched uranium to a higher level than the Treaty provided for. That was kept out of the public view by the signees who feared the situation might backfire on them - but is now common knowledge. Iran laughed up their sleeves and cheated on the treaty from the word go.
What a GREAT post Mike!!!!!!!!!!!!
So what is so unique about the Ukraine? Why could the EU not accept that the Ukrainian problem should be dealt with the same way than what was done in for instance Yugoslavia? The situation was relatively easy - negotiate to redraw the borders of the Ukraine to ensure that the ethnic problems are sorted out, But the EU would not do that because they are basically against nation states and for elimination of ethnicity.(Exactly - use open borders and espouse multiculturalism)
I do not think Russia actually pose a threat to anyone and to talk of Russian ambitions is in fact misleading. However, if there ever was a war situation involving the EU and Russia, the Russians will cut off the oil and gas supplies and Germany and the rest of Europe will be out of commission within a week. In that Trump is right - you cannot be dependent on a potential enemy for crucial elements of the defensive needs as well as domestic and economic needs of people. (Explained all this to Stav but he is a very slow learner. Actually the estvon is why cant he see the obvious!! Even after having it pointed out to him he brings up the same stupid point. )
It is fear-some that the EU in fact could effectively develop into a new "empire" controlled through a mind boggling level of propaganda and brainwashing, thus undermining the concept of democracy,
Mike the Globalists had Europe. They thought they had North America with Clinton and Trudeau. They also have other smaller countries in the world like nz as its clear their horsey PM is a globalist sunk. So all in all they would have controlled well over 50% of the world's economy. Then its control over the UN. its control over the economy's of the world via massive multi national trade deals and via Climate Change. its control over law by getting countries to abide by UN laws and iCC. its open borders via the UN migration pact and multiculturalism. Any idea of independent nation states vs anthema to them.
See my post re Lou Dobbs on Beeno's Trumpet. What is amazing is how openly Dobbs talks about Globalism. He calls it a dirty word!
Slowly the nation states of the WORLD will be forced to surrender sovereignty!!!!!!!!! Watch the battle over Brexit. The elite Globalist forces are fighting with all the have to overturn the Referendum and the will of the British people. Parliament is not Sovereign its the people who they serve who are sovereign. Britain voted to LEAVE (nothing about ba deal or no deal) LEAVE MEANS LEAVE.
Meanwhile the Globalist have imported so many foreigners London has a minority of British people living there. The capital is now called Londonistan and the mayor is a muslim.
The situation is desperate for the British and unfortunately the propaganda and brainwashing has had great success. To me though the tide has turned and people are fvghting back.
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Windpomp dont worry too much about dense denise. He is not called dense for nothing!
Typical...hit, insult, accuse, demand answers , ridicule and then run...till next time that is....same MO time after time.
Handled with consummate ease
"BTW, mushroom, how many times have you, all tear eyed with rage, (1) screeched at me that you would (2) ignore my posts and not respond to them and yet, here we are again.
I suspect that any time now, you will be telling me once again that you are not interested in my posts, that you ignore them and are (3) not interested in communicating with me."
(1) Actually Ceradunce, humans don't screech, they umm shriek, metal screeches, so does rubber, like in tyres but naah not human beings........got that?....... good.
(2) I didn't reply to your post, replying to your post would mean that I'd addressed a response to you, clearly it's something I didn't do. I made an unaddressed statement. Spot the difference Hmmmm? (more about this later)
(3) Well that's a kind of yes or no, you've obviously forgotten that we had let's say a healthy debate about mass shootings, I say healthy because it ended with you having the last say and that we'd agreed to disagree. The "No" applies when as Koosie has indicated you become biased and prejudiced.
Just a few things for you to digest, don't bother thanking me.
All that's left for me to say is that you started this, I merely retaliated. Surprise surprise Huh? Well go back to my post where I "ASK" ...Would I be correct in saying....." It is a straight up and down question with no strings attached and BTW in that post I emphasise that it is merely a question.
Two posters responded with reasonable answers which I was happy to accept, but you of course, had to serve me an insult as part of your response. Well Sucker I don't mind a few plums being tossed at me but don't expect me to accept it lying down. You should know by now that I give as good as I get.
I never knew name calling and lying was a part of your make-up but it seems as if I'm wrong......winning an argument is all important huh? Then again having the support of the peanut gallery should do wonders to your tainted self esteem. You are right if you're saying that I don't know you but from previous shall we say "discussions" I gathered a fair amount of your political leanings and beliefs. As for me being a "Leftist Looney"....I'd like to know what you base that on as I regard myself as a moderate and a good one at that, truth be told I despise both your Apartheid Party as well as the ANC.
And oh, I'm curious, why do you pity me?
" The "No" applies when as Koosie has indicated you become biased and prejudiced don't agree wit us and accept our assertions as gospel. "
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