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Can democracy survive now the world’s richest man has it in his sights?

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
09 Nov 2024, 22:53
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09 Nov 2024, 22:53#1
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/02/elon-musk-donald-trump-us-presidential-electionsGeorge Monbiot

A vote for Donald Trump next week is also a vote for Elon Musk. The tech boss will have a springboard to greater power even than the US presidency

Sat 2 Nov 2024 06.00 GMT

This is what happens when successive US governments fail to tackle inequality. While millions of people live in poverty, a handful grow unimaginably rich. Wealth begets wealth, and they acquire political power to match. It was inevitable that one of them – now the richest man on Earth – would launch what looks like a bid for world domination.

A vote for Donald Trump next week is a vote for Elon Musk. Just as Trump is using Musk, Musk could be using Trump as a springboard to perhaps even greater power than the US president can wield. Musk’s secret conversations with Vladimir Putin, reported by the Wall Street Journal last week, and his contacts with other extremist world leaders, suggest a pattern of power-seeking that could be even more alarming than the prospect of a second Trump presidency.

Trump, if he wins, will do to the nation what Musk did to Twitter: the US will be e-Muskulated. What this means is that those with the power to swarm, harass and crush people who do not share their noxious ideology will be unleashed.

Elon Musk claims to be a “free speech absolutist”. But his absolutism seems to extend only to his allies. Since he bought Twitter and renamed it X, the platform has complied with 83% of requests by governments for the censorship or surveillance of accounts. When the Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdo?an, demanded the censorship of his opponents before the last general election, the platform obliged. When Indian government officials asked it to remove a hostile BBC documentary, X did as they asked, and later deleted the accounts of many critics of the prime minister, Narendra Modi.

Last month, X blocked links to a dossier about Trump’s running mate, JD Vance, and suspended the account of the journalist who revealed it. Musk has sued organisations that criticise him. Because the most vicious and antisocial people – racists, antisemites, misogynists, homophobes, even outright Nazis – have been reinstated and often boosted, millions of other users have been driven from the platform, their own free speech diminished. Musk’s own posts are reportedly amplified a thousandfold by a boutique algorithm. Free speech absolutism? My left foot.

Now he has bent his immense wealth, power and blatant double standards to a frantic effort to get Trump elected. Some of his tactics – cash rewards and cash prizes – look to me like attempts to buy votes and interfere in an election. His lawyers were able to prevent him having to attend court this week for a hearing challenging these tactics: another privilege of wealth. He has used his X account to spread rampant misinformation on Trump’s behalf, giving him many millions of dollars’ worth of advertising. He has poured $118m into his pro-Trump super Pac (political action committee).

What would the world’s richest man gain from the e-Muskulation of US – and perhaps global – politics? He would gain what capital has sought since workers acquired the vote: the truncation of democracy. Democracy is the problem capital keeps trying to solve. Why? Because it ensures that workers have rights and fair wages; that the living world has some (though never enough) protections; that we cannot be ripped off, poisoned and robbed without restraint.

Capitalism has used two powerful tools to try to solve its problem: fascism and neoliberalism. But now, though drawing on both those ideologies, it reverts to an older and cruder mode: oligarchy. Why, the billionaires might wonder, should they rely on intermediaries to wield political power? After all, in every other sphere, the world bows to them, not to their concierges. This, I think, is where Musk and some of his fellow tech authoritarians have been heading.

A Trump victory would allow Musk to escape the regulators with which he is often in conflict. In fact, if he takes up Trump’s offer of running a government efficiency commission, Musk becomes his own regulator, able to erase the rules that make the difference between a good society and barbarism.

But Trump’s election might also permit even greater opportunities. Musk controls key strategic and military assets, such as SpaceX satellite launchers and the Starlink internet system. As Ukraine discovered to its cost last year, he can switch them off at whim. The kind of decision-making powerful states deploy has been privatised. The Kremlin is reported to have asked him to withhold Starlink access from Taiwan, as a favour to the Chinese government. Terrestrial broadband operators claim that Starlink could interfere with and degrade their own systems. Starlink has refuted this. It is not hard to see how his power could grow to the point at which governments feel obliged to do as he demands.

He might not look the part. Villains bent on world domination are meant to be suave, laconic, self-possessed. Musk dresses like an attention-hungry teenager and behaves accordingly. Yet he has been equipped with the means to multiply his power beyond any that a plutocrat has wielded in the democratic era.

For decades now, the centrist pact with capital has worked as follows: we might seek half-heartedly to improve the lives of people at the bottom, but we will do almost nothing to hold down those at the top. As a short-term tactic it worked: Rupert Murdoch and other members of the plutocrats’ trade union struck an uneasy truce with Tony Blair, Bill Clinton and their ilk. But the long-term result is that the ultra-rich became so wealthy that they could present a direct threat to sovereign nations, even to the most powerful nation of all. Some of us have spent decades warning that this was the likely outcome: appeasement makes your opponents more powerful. But our governments claimed they were simply being “pragmatic”: it didn’t matter how rich some people became, as long as the lot of the poor improved.

Decades of studies, some of which were summarised 15 years ago in The Spirit Level by Kate Pickett and Richard Wilkinson, show what nonsense this is. A highly unequal society, whatever its absolute levels of wealth and poverty, is devastating for social outcomes, for wellbeing, cohesion and democracy. But “pragmatism” prevailed, and turned out not to be pragmatic at all. The slippage from democracy to oligarchy should surprise no one.

So now we face a generalised e-Muskulation: of public life, of trust, of kindness, of mutual aid, of a world in which the poor could aspire to something better, and in which all of us could aspire to a healthy living planet. Governments that have not yet fully succumbed must do what should have been done long ago: make the poor richer, and the very rich poorer.

  • George Monbiot is a Guardian columnist

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Nov 2024, 00:28
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10 Nov 2024, 00:28#2

I see Vance has said US support from NATO could be withdrawn if the EU try to regulate X. 


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
10 Nov 2024, 02:54
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10 Nov 2024, 02:54#3
Vance has clearly stated that he doesn't give a fk about Ukraine.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Nov 2024, 03:39
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10 Nov 2024, 03:39#4

LMAO  - the thea tagains D emocracy is now less han i was a week before.   Musk left the DP and California because he believes the DP i hreatenig family life  an reoresents a hreat o is children.   Ge dies not ened a Government to make money - he made billions from the disatrous Biden regime  as well,

Whn ther esuls of the eelctions came in Musk Bezos and the rt of hte billionaires made more money ina day when it became clear Bden is goibg out soon,    nillionaires            

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Nov 2024, 08:04
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10 Nov 2024, 08:04#5

"Vance has clearly stated that he doesn't give a fk about Ukraine."


When and where?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Nov 2024, 13:46
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10 Nov 2024, 13:46#7

Vnce sis not an idiot -- he si eflectiing wha the majority f A mericans thinks aboutthe Ukraine situationm.    The majority in te USA think that shenanigans by the C IA ad THe Obam and Biden regimes  caused the war ad USmoneys ent on the wr is fruitless and the money spent could be sued to helpp the poor in te USA/     It does not mean that Vance commns will ultimately be what the Biden Preidency will decid on as the way to go.    

In the first instnce the fate of Governments in EU countries are tumbling becaus o theUkraine Wr as well.   So Trump and most of the leaders in the EU would prefer a negotiated settement to the present situation is eting worse by he day fr the Ukraine people, 

In the end the countries in Europe will prefer a neotiated agrement based on the Minsk agrement - which Biden sabotaged,   Th could create a real basis for a fair peace agreement based on that areement,    The Russians may believe hat once biten wice shy and may be reluctant - but Putin respects Trump while belevig Biden is a corrupt idiot and not a kaders arse, but he may go along with it if Trump promise prompt introducing the agremeents under EU, USA and Russian oversight,    To make mattes more positive Trump may auhorise he repair of the Nord Stream piepeline destroyed by the USA and ts help both the EU and especially to get out of the recession they suffer from at present, 

Trumpmay infuence Musk and Bezos in expanding their manufacuriturig o Ukraine wihout turning Ukrine into a slave state like Blackrock aimed to do.    

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Nov 2024, 19:50
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10 Nov 2024, 19:50#8

The Ukraine war will soon be over. You can count on that.

The people who don't care about Ukraine are the war mongering scumbags.

Elon risked a great deal to support Trump. He in fact stated he is fuckd if Trump lost. Musk out it all on the line. 

There is free speech on X. There are posters who say bad things about Elon and are not banned. 

I was banned from the Guardian because of comments re Covid. It's a far left Marxist Globalist rag that censored people they disagreed with. The British Press was pathetic and still is. 

Germany also has been censoring people. They even have wanted to ban the AFD a great Patriotic party. But the AFD is now a major political party growing quickly. 

Vance just gave the Globalists running a big warning not to impose speech regulations on X. 

I hear the German Government official who raised the issue of censoring speech on X got fired. Bwahahahahaha. 



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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
10 Nov 2024, 19:58
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10 Nov 2024, 19:58#9

I'll give Vance credit for voicing his feelings ................. same as when he described Trump as being America's Adolph Hitler

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Nov 2024, 20:16
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10 Nov 2024, 20:16#10

The Ukraine war will soon be over. You can count on that.

On what terms Beeno?

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
10 Nov 2024, 20:53
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10 Nov 2024, 20:53#11

On what terms Beeno?

Whatever Trump & Putin agree upon.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
10 Nov 2024, 21:30
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10 Nov 2024, 21:30#12

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/nov/10/nicola-jennings-ukraine-donald-trump-vladimir-putin

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
11 Nov 2024, 02:04
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11 Nov 2024, 02:04#13

Actually it’s unbelievable, after Trump got a huge vote of approval from the voters like it or not, these left wing radicals still feel they have the right to try to sabotage his presidency.

Jan 6  2021 ............................................ lest we forget



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Nov 2024, 02:12
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11 Nov 2024, 02:12#14

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Goi and read the House official report onn January 6  -- mayb e you would hen undesand haat happened.   Also undetand that holding peope in jail for near to 4 years without a trial is wh at is normal with banana republic dictatorship and under Biden the US was rapidly on its way to become one/    

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
11 Nov 2024, 02:21
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11 Nov 2024, 02:21#15

Sorry ouMaaik,  I forgot it was 'a day of love'.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Nov 2024, 04:13
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11 Nov 2024, 04:13#16

Stav

Better terms than the Ukraine would get bearing in mind th on the ground battle situation in Ukraine.   Provorsk is te next city to fall soon.      

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
11 Nov 2024, 12:38
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11 Nov 2024, 12:38#17

Anyone putting money on Trump and Musk falling out a year or so down the road.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Nov 2024, 13:46
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11 Nov 2024, 13:46#18
Why should ybody be sturpid?    
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Nov 2024, 14:12
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11 Nov 2024, 14:12#19
"Why should ybody be sturpid?"
Indeed . . .
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
11 Nov 2024, 14:23
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11 Nov 2024, 14:23#20

Why should ybody be sturpid?   


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Nov 2024, 15:34
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11 Nov 2024, 15:34#21

OK Rooinek and Stav - tell me when last have you been right on anything bar spreading of propaanda BS on site.    .

   

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Nov 2024, 16:34
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11 Nov 2024, 16:34#22
"OK Rooinek and Stav - tell me when last have you been right on anything bar spreading of propaanda BS on site.."
Ou Maaik, I was right when predicting Bozo would win the election.
Your turn.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Nov 2024, 16:55
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11 Nov 2024, 16:55#23

No  - you saod u are trying to put a jinx o te outcome.   

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Nov 2024, 17:16
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11 Nov 2024, 17:16#24

Rubbish. I know you're terminally stupid, ou Maaik, but go back to that post and read it. Get someone with a double digit IQ to help you understand what I was saying and then admit you are wrong.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Nov 2024, 19:10
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11 Nov 2024, 19:10#25

The heading of the thread was "The jinx is in"...given your history of jinxing even the most likely outcomes, it was obvious a lighthearted attempt at staging a jinx attemt...not a real attemt because that would suggests that you actually believe in something supernatural,  which you don't...you didn't really think you could jinx Trump...it was just a lekker sê nou maar...and probably the reason it didn't work...told ya back then already...still p!$$ed off at you about the cricket!...the worst one of all!!...and if that's not clear enough for you, go look for someone with a tripple digit IQ to draw you a picture.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Nov 2024, 19:16
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11 Nov 2024, 19:16#26


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Nov 2024, 21:36
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11 Nov 2024, 21:36#27

The fact is that Governance should be using private Sector techniques to obtain sound administration for the benefit of all people in the Country.   That is why the voters after a bitter experience for the middle and  working class people and especially the poor and aged people. believed that they were far better off during the first Presidency of Trump weremuch  better of f they encountered in the last near to 4years ubde he Biden maladministration regime.   

Let me explain on what I said about using management techniques .   For the first ten years as a Public Service I was working for he DEparment of Forestry - which were run on sound businesses management basis,   The Departtment annually made a healthy profit to the benefot of all taxpayers in SA.    I then went to the Deaptment of Water Affairs on promotion.   It was like going for a major mess,    While lokig at potential improvement I came accross a system C alled Budgetting by Objectives policy that was  Imlemetd by Reagan when he was Governor,    That basis were based oentirely of itroduction of private secor tevhnigues to be used    I spent months privtely compiling a Guidelines to be introduced by the Department.   I left the Deparment imn 1974 and after ten years I one day went to see a prson who was in a much higher position that he used to be and on his rabl was a bound copy o the Guidelines I compiled,

The aboe aught me a lession which I repeted often in Coferences and meetings I had to adress for years subsequently - especially also my own involvement in privatizing the water and seweerage services of  the Dolphin Coast Municipality - a first Municipality to grant a Conscession Pivatising its water and sewerage service  - still in operation rendering the bsest service in the whole of SA.   The cncessionaire must in he 30 year period is in operation must imvest R275 milion in capital development and maintenance and improvement in infraructure, and the Municilaity will approve the tariffs to be charged wih he maximum profit of 15% pr annum.

I took the idea of using of private sector techiques in public administration furer when I addressed an Inernational Coference in Bemen on the issue.

With the above in mind I have no unhappiness with Musk in the environmment.    Trump was a businessman himself and  using business techniques for the betterment of all the people.   That is why most voters claimed they were much better off under the first Tump preidency than  they were  under the Biden with his eliist ultra left sociaist approach.   That exactly is the reason for the present electin results.


                              

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
12 Nov 2024, 08:14
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12 Nov 2024, 08:14#28

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
13 Nov 2024, 03:09
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13 Nov 2024, 03:09#29

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Nov 2024, 14:54
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13 Nov 2024, 14:54#30

BB

That photo posted by you looks very much like a village idiot to me.   It looks like an idiot one day from the aaylum walking throug my office in Pretoria West at the Forest Research iInstitue where I worked - he looked exactly like the one on he photo.   He said he was on his way to Middelburg and i said to him I would help him amd sent him straight back to he sylum.   Very near resemblance to that photo as far as I can remember.

        

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