El Paso shooting . . .

Yes like having a play where Trump is shown to be stabbed to death Julius Caesar style.. Or how about Kathy Griffin and carrying Trump's severed head. There have been many such incidents and some of these people have had visits from the FBi

Blacks are coming out and saying if you don't like America Leave.

As for illegal immigration NOBODY has the right to march into the USa or any country! That has the support of the vast majority of Americans for the reasons i explained but you are too lazy and too stupid to consider.

Nowhere has Trump incited anybody to kill.

Brycy your appalling ignorance is on full display once again.

Moz these oaks are really so daft one wonders how much more stupid they can get.

What is alarming is that they regurgitate the MSM with NO critical thought. The word gullible doesn't do them justice!!!

What is also noticeable i s that you answer their rants with solid facts and they don't even know what you have said. Far, far gone.

Well Moz it now appears both shooters Texas and Ohio) were democrats.

These demorats are sick people no wonder there is such a walk away.

That's a total of 150 mass killings for the year so far ...normal times.

..SHOOTER: I was inspired by trump. 

Good post Shark...it is sad that people would stoop so low as to use a tragedy like this to score some political point's...Trump also did so a while ago when Moslem shot up the gay nightclub...if this has anything to do with politics, it was an MK-ultrs brainwashed asset who got activated to create a false flag, but is much more likely just some twisted individual going bonkers.

For the umpteenth.......the choice of arms used in mass killings are semi-automatic weapons.......ban it from public use.

Saturday in El Paso it was déjà vu all over again.

Trump has launched his 2020 reelection campaign this summer by doubling down on the theme of racial and ethnic division and anti-immigrant hysteria. And as sure as the sun rises in the east, a mere month into this racially charged atmosphere, an extremist suspect fearful of Hispanics gaining political power in Texas decided to go kill as many Hispanics as possible at an El Paso Walmart. It is Trump-inspired terrorism yet again.

The president’s defenders have taken great offense to the notion that any of his actions or rhetoric have contributed to what happened in El Paso, but this defense is deeply flawed.

First, the assertion that Trump can be absolved of responsibility because he condemns violence by white supremacists reflects a misunderstanding of how homegrown domestic terrorism works.

It doesn’t require an overt appeal to violence to motivate an ideological extremist to engage in violence. Indeed, individuals often move from being a passive supporter of a cause to a mobilized killer when their political grievances are amplified, and their enemies are dehumanized.

So when Trump goes on Twitter and television calling migrants “invaders” and dehumanizes them by suggesting they are “infesting” America, he is motivating aggrieved individuals to take action into their own hands by using violence.

Second, the claim that Trump shares no blame for the shooting because he rejects the white supremacist ideology of the El Paso shooter is blatantly at odds with the facts. Indeed, the central political project of the Trump presidency has been reducing the political power of non-white people in America – a key tenet of white supremacist thinking.

Trump took action to reduce the number of minorities coming to America in the opening days of his administration when he halted immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries and temporarily suspended the refugee program. He has subsequently dramatically reduced the number of refugees admitted to the US each year and is threatening to drop the number to zero in 2020.

Trump’s demand that the census include a question about citizenship is also consistent with a white supremacist agenda. It is firmly established that such a question would suppress census participation by noncitizens and perhaps recent immigrants as well, thereby reducing the political power of the states where they reside.

Of course Trump’s notorious policy of separating children from their parents and detaining them in squalid conditions is part and parcel of the white supremacist desire to deter migration to the United States and dehumanize those who dare attempt to gain legal residency.

And, when Trump suggested last month that four members of Congress of color who were born or naturalized in the United States “came from” other countries, he ratified the core concept of white supremacy that nonwhite people are not truly “Americans.”

The manifesto the El Paso shooter posted on line reflects that he understood and endorsed the president’s political program to a tee. The attack, the shooter wrote “was in response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas.” Echoing the president’s logic that cruel conditions of confinement will deter migration, the shooter opined that his use of violence would provide a needed “incentive” for Hispanics to return to their home countries. His violent actions were necessary, he wrote, to save American from destruction.

Finally, while Trump does not overtly call for his supporters to use violence to further his agenda, his rhetoric is infused with notions of violence and dehumanization. The “send her back” chant Trump allowed to continue for 13 seconds at a campaign rally was an explicit call for the power of the state to be used to forcibly expatriate a foreign-born immigrant citizen. Last week he called a minority community in Baltimore a “rodent, rat-infested mess” – mixing images of urban minorities with inhuman pests and vermin.

These messages are not lost on people like the El Paso shooter: “Your president shares your view that immigrants and racial minorities are a scourge on America. They are not deserving of the privileges of citizenship and must be denied political power at all costs. They are animals anyway, so the use of violence is permissible.”

We remain 15 months until the 2020 election. It is staggering to imagine how much more violence this president may motivate if he continues down this deeply disturbing path."

David Schanzer is a professor at the Sanford School of Policy at Duke University and director of the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security.

No Rooinek 

I am afraid that you are wrong here - why was the MyLife info on Crusius changed before the attack was launched by O'Rourke and other Democrats?   Both Dayton and Dallas - are strongly Democrat areas, so I would not be surprised if both the killers are Democratic Party supporters.  

Sorry - I put it too strongly about that Professor - I should have stated that an ex-member of Antifa alleges that the Professor is the godfather of Antifa.   He is definitely inciting students to be radical leftists.

Trump in a way went overboard about describing illegal migrants - but there is real anger in the USA about the illegals - have you seen the statistics iro criminal elements amongst them committing crimes in the USA?   However, I do not want to have a fight with you about the issue - it is just that I do not accept the bona fides of the DP at present - they are way too radical in their approach.   Too call them socialists is mild  - they are nearer to Communist then Socialist ibn their approach.

If they ever get into power - the implementation of their policies would really lead to another US Civil War I am afraid.             

The migrants are invading the USA. Trump wants to stop it and fix the migration system. There are legal ways to migrate to the US. Open borders are an absolute joke. He is enforcing the existing laws instead of ignoring them like some of his predecessors. Just BTW, The Obama admin built the cages the kids are held in. This is a much wider issue and blaming one individual for it, is plain ignorant and short sighted. The leanings of the perpetrator has got nothing to do with any individual (like Trump) and all to do with a totally inadequate immigration system that is used as the only means to score some minor political victories against Trump. I won't be surprised if these things are staged...some of the powers that be have done worse t things in the past.

No the proof is the change to the MyLife profile of Crucius - that happened and was done by somebody other than the killer himself for ulterior purposes.  .

I am not saying anything  at all - it has to be proven in court in the case of Cruicius and the killer in Ohio would also be dealt with through the legal system.   The Democrats are the ones who accuse Trump of inciting the violence - but do they have any proof of it?

The Clintons paid for the Steele Dossier which maligned Trump as being supported by Putin - a scheme supported by Obama and his administration.  It was all a manufactured lie and was unproven - actually it was all based on DP propaganda.   Why should one believe them about  the El Paso incident?

34 Homicides in Baltimore in the last 30 days........ Not a word.

https://homicides.news.baltimoresun.com/

The names of the last 100 homicide victims in Baltimore, the oldest incident being 5 April. Not a word about that either.

https://homicides.news.baltimoresun.com/recent/

Well Ceradunce, if any of those were mass shootings then feel free to join the topic under discussion but even if they weren't, you're not exactly promoting your usual right-wing pro-Bozo agenda in a positive way . 

Bozo recently described Baltimore as a "disgusting rodent and rat infested mess" . . . once again dehumanizing the people who live there . . . so it's really no surprise if some small-minded and brainwashed racists decided to get rid of a few disgusting rodents or fix the rat infestation.

I think your contribution on this thread is what most people would call an "epic fail".

“Bozo recently described Baltimore as a "disgusting rodent and rat infested mess" . . . once again dehumanizing the people who live there . . . so it's really no surprise if some small-minded and brainwashed racists decided to get rid of a few disgusting rodents or fix the rat infestation.  “

Elijah Cummings twenty years ago. Twenty plus years that he has been representing Maryland and the problems have only escalated. Trump has been president for less than three years and somehow he is to blame and not allowed to call a spade a spade like Elijah and the Baltimore mayor?

Trump haters gleefully trying to dump for yet another killing spree on POTUS...it seems the loss of life is celebrated, just to be able to use it as a stick to hit Trump with...The same Trump who wants to reform the immigration system with an emphasis of lawfulness and building out reinforcement....and murders are murders...one at a time, two at a time. How many people are murdered and raped by legal immigrants yearly? No wonder a few nutcases will take it into their own hands.

...Using a white supremacist mass shooting as leverage for white supremacist legislation takes some real chutzpah

How funny that. Both shooters turned out to be democrats 

The Texas guy said he held his views long before Trump came along. 

Bwahahaha

The Ohio guy was a Democrat. Loved Warren and Antifa and hated Trump. 

Bwhahahaha. 

Draad this clowns have made total morons of themselves yet again. 

By the way read the the manifesto of the Texas guy. What he says is actually very largely correct and are are views even black Americans are expressing. 

His big gripe is that the USA is being INVADED. On that score he is 100%correct.

Much of his analysis is correct. 

In the end America may need a war to settle their differences. One side is hell bent on destroying the country. 

One hopes that Trump and his supporters win well in 2020. Failing that America is doomed. As is the rest of humanity. 

Failing that America is doomed. As is the rest of humanity.

Ffs Beano, get a grip ............ humanity's future dependent on Trompie's reelection?  LMAO.

Home's burning while Beano fiddles defending a f'wit.

If ever there's is a case of a deer staring into the headlights then it's the USA on mass shootings. I find it hard to believe how mass shootings regurgitates itself followed by the same old responses regurgitating itself. Hey hellloooooooooooooooooo .......something needs to be done.

Since when does mass shooters have manifestos? This whole thing stinks of a political plot of some sorts. How many people do any of you know who have manifestos?

Since when does mass shooters have manifestos? This whole thing stinks of a political plot of some sorts. How many people do any of you know who have manifestos?

My point being that mass shooters have manifestos since it became politically motivated acts of terror. This isn't just some random nutjobs...it's calculated acts of terror.

 And Rooi, we are forced to put up with your bile filled vomit on here everyday It seems like some pitiful self reflection of sorts. If your first impulse is always to jump on any slight opportunity to ridicule or to insult, there are something seriously wrong with you....now please go back to ignoring me Arsehole.....seriously!

Time to realize Trump won the Presidency fair and square against all odds and is doing a fantastic job saving America from the Globalist/communist destruction.

Time you ceased your absurd attacks that reflect more on you than anything else. 

The fundamental fact is America is a sovereign Nation State with borders and NOBODY has a right to march into the country. This view is supported by the vast majority of Americans. Trump has a constitutional obligation as well a a moral obligation to defend US sovereignty and their borders. 

So best you zip it ROOIBOZO your hatred for America is plain for all to see. 

As to Baltimore you have again lost the argument. It is a rat invested place and has just reached 200 homicides for the year! These shooting are much smaller. The Globalist/demonrat MSM  don't want anything said about these demonrat governed cities. 

Blacks are standing up to thank Trump for highlighting the problem. Because Cummings is a black that makes Trump racist. How totally absurd. 

Further questions are now being asked as to what happened to the 16 billion dollars the Trump Admin has given to the city to clean up its mess. 

It has also highlighted the fact of how poorly other Democrat cities are run. Trump called out Pelosi  city as well - was that also racist you jackass. 

"In the last week, more than 30 people have died in three separate mass shootings in Gilroy, El Paso and Dayton, Ohio. We believe that analyzing and understanding data about who commits such massacres can help prevent more lives being lost.

For two years, we’ve been studying the life histories of mass shooters in the United States for a project funded by the National Institute of Justice, the research arm of the U.S. Department of Justice. We’ve built a database dating back to 1966 of every mass shooter who shot and killed four or more people in a public place, and every shooting incident at schools, workplaces, and places of worship since 1999. We’ve interviewed incarcerated perpetrators and their families, shooting survivors and first responders. We’ve read media and social media, manifestos, suicide notes, trial transcripts and medical records.

Our goal has been to find new, data-driven pathways for preventing such shootings. Although we haven’t found that mass shooters are all alike, our data do reveal four commonalities among the perpetrators of nearly all the mass shootings we studied.

First, the vast majority of mass shooters in our study experienced early childhood trauma and exposure to violence at a young age. The nature of their exposure included parental suicide, physical or sexual abuse, neglect, domestic violence, and/or severe bullying. The trauma was often a precursor to mental health concerns, including depression, anxiety, thought disorders or suicidality.

Second, practically every mass shooter we studied had reached an identifiable crisis point in the weeks or months leading up to the shooting. They often had become angry and despondent because of a specific grievance. For workplace shooters, a change in job status was frequently the trigger. For shooters in other contexts, relationship rejection or loss often played a role. Such crises were, in many cases, communicated to others through a marked change in behavior, an expression of suicidal thoughts or plans, or specific threats of violence.

Third, most of the shooters had studied the actions of other shooters and sought validation for their motives. People in crisis have always existed. But in the age of 24-hour rolling news and social media, there are scripts to follow that promise notoriety in death. Societal fear and fascination with mass shootings partly drives the motivation to commit them. Hence, as we have seen in the last week, mass shootings tend to come in clusters. They are socially contagious. Perpetrators study other perpetrators and model their acts after previous shootings. Many are radicalized online in their search for validation from others that their will to murder is justified.

Fourth, the shooters all had the means to carry out their plans. Once someone decides life is no longer worth living and that murdering others would be a proper revenge, only means and opportunity stand in the way of another mass shooting. Is an appropriate shooting site accessible? Can the would-be shooter obtain firearms? In 80% of school shootings, perpetrators got their weapons from family members, according to our data. Workplace shooters tended to use handguns they legally owned. Other public shooters were more likely to acquire them illegally.

So what do these commonalities tell us about how to prevent future shootings?

One step needs to be depriving potential shooters of the means to carry out their plans. Potential shooting sites can be made less accessible with visible security measures such as metal detectors and police officers. And weapons need to be better controlled, through age restrictions, permit-to-purchase licensing, universal background checks, safe storage campaigns and red-flag laws — measures that help control firearm access for vulnerable individuals or people in crisis.

Another step is to try to make it more difficult for potential perpetrators to find validation for their planned actions. Media campaigns like #nonotoriety are helping starve perpetrators of the oxygen of publicity, and technology companies are increasingly being held accountable for facilitating mass violence. But we all can slow the spread of mass shootings by changing how we consume, produce, and distribute violent content on media and social media. Don’t like or share violent content. Don’t read or share killers’ manifestos and other hate screeds posted on the internet. We also need to study our current approaches. For example, do lockdown and active shooter drills help children prepare for the worst or hand potential shooters the script for mass violence by normalizing or rehearsing it?

We also need to, as a society, be more proactive. Most mass public shooters are suicidal, and their crises are often well known to others before the shooting occurs. The vast majority of mass shooters leak their plans ahead of time. People who see or sense something is wrong, however, may not always say something to someone owing to the absence of clear reporting protocols or fear of overreaction and unduly labeling a person as a potential threat. Proactive violence prevention starts with schools, colleges, churches and employers initiating conversations about mental health and establishing systems for identifying individuals in crisis, reporting concerns and reaching out — not with punitive measures but with resources and long-term intervention. Everyone should be trained to recognize the signs of a crisis.

Proactivity needs to extend also to the traumas in early life that are common to so many mass shooters. Those early exposures to violence need addressing when they happen with ready access to social services and high-quality, affordable mental health treatment in the community. School counselors and social workers, employee wellness programs, projects that teach resilience and social emotional learning, and policies and practices that decrease the stigma around mental illness will not just help prevent mass shootings, but will also help promote the social and emotional success of all Americans.

Our data show that mass shooters have much in common. Instead of simply rehearsing for the inevitable, we need to use that data to drive effective prevention strategies.

Jillian Peterson is a psychologist and professor of criminology and criminal justice at Hamline University. James Densley is a sociologist and professor of criminal justice at Metropolitan State University. Together, they run the Violence Project.

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