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Fake news CNN gets blown up by video of black and white toddlers interacting.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
20 Jun 2020, 14:47
#41
20 Jun 2020, 14:47#41

"Piss off. You are doing exactly what Rooinek does. You asked a question. I answered it, and now you are trying to create a diversion to get away from the crap that you started with your little word games."

You didn't answer the question I asked. You created a narrative so you didn't have to answer the question a narrative which you have no evidence to support. And your still ignoring my 2nd question. You're the one creating the diversions here. I'm not the one playing whataboutery here.

The tweet contained both the manipulated (and by the way it was manipulated, it wasn't just shortened it was made to look like a CNN broadcast) and full version of the video, but that in no way supports your argument. The tweet was designed to give the impression that CNN faked a report on a racist toddler and the Trump was exposing them by showing the unedited footage afterwards. That's the only logical conclusion anyone could draw from that. There was no text in the tweet where Trump said hey Americans look at this fake clip is exactly the sort of thing CNN would try to pull or I'm waiting for CNN to try to produce a fake video like this next. He said absolutely nothing.

"You cannot deny that this is exactly the way that CNN and others have done to videos of Trump or his administration the entire almost four years. "

I never denied that they CNN did similar to Trump. I don't watch CNN so I wouldn't say for certain if they have or haven't. I commentated on this thread because the news that Trump tweeted a fake video on about a racist toddler was covered in the news over here. I have no problem admitting to seeing plenty of misleading and outright lies coming from left wing sources and I have no problem in calling them out on it and if CNN has done the same then by all means call them out on it, but that doesn't give the other side an excuse to do the same.

But let me ask you this, if you can find a way to defend Trump like your doing now, then whats to stop a person from the left wing saying are "sure CNN fake clips are just showing up the all the lies the right wing has been doing for years".

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jun 2020, 14:54
#42
20 Jun 2020, 14:54#42

Did CNN really broadcast that story about the Uber Driver?     

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Jun 2020, 15:20
#43
20 Jun 2020, 15:20#43

What second question? I will admit that there may be some obscure question hidden somewhere in one of your l lengthy nonsensical essays. I don’t always read those because it becomes boring and repetitive. 

Having said that, this is the question I saw:

“ Do you agree that Trump should have checked to see if the racist Toddler video was real before he posted it and that Twitter was right to label it as manipulated media?“

I have told you two or three times already that there was no need for him to check anything, since he has posted both the entire and the manipulated versions.

Feel free to point me to any other question.

However, nothing takes away from the fact that this tagging by Twitter was a perfect example of Twitter’s petulant power play which will do them more harm than they think in the end. That is my opinion. If your opinion disagrees with mine, then so be it. It is not going to take one second off my life.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
20 Jun 2020, 16:00
#44
20 Jun 2020, 16:00#44
What second question? I will admit that there may be some obscure question hidden somewhere in one of your l lengthy nonsensical essays. I don’t always read those because it becomes boring and repetitive.

"and that Twitter was right to label it as manipulated media?“"
There you go, I highlighted for you. If you find that obscure I can't really help you.
Well I suppose if you don't want to read my posts that makes us even, I'm wouldn't waste my time reading posts when your asking people to read books from Andrew Breitbart and quoting articles from the Spectator, which are just pure far right trash.
"I have told you two or three times already that there was no need for him to check anything, since he has posted both the entire and the manipulated versions."
Let me try one last time to explain this to you. The video he tweeted in its entirety containing both the manipulated and non manipulated version of the video with an text edit in between warning of the dangers of fake news was designed to give the impression CNN manipulated the video to show a racist child. The way the two videos where combined into one was the manipulation.  So yes he should of checked it before hand. To say he posted as some sort of general attempt to mock fake news coming from the left is a either a defensive mechanism because you can't bring yourself to admit he made a complete tool of himself (for the umpteenth time) or you just outright lying to cover for him.

"However, nothing takes away from the fact that this tagging by Twitter was a perfect example of Twitter’s petulant power play which will do them more harm than they think in the end. That is my opinion. If your opinion disagrees with mine, then so be it. It is not going to take one second off my life."
Well your entitled to an opinion, and myself having a different opinion is not designed to take a second off your life. But opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, its the evidence and facts behind an opinion that decide whether an opinion is worth holding. I don't think you have a shred of evidence to back your claim that Trump was merely mocking fake news with his tweets.

In regards Twitter I do think it needs to be policed and policed in impartial manner. Fake news regardless of the political wing itscoming from needs to be flagged a such. People from all sides need to call it out when they see it regardless if it makes their side look bad. You seem completely incapable of doing that.



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CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Jun 2020, 17:06
#45
20 Jun 2020, 17:06#45

“ "and that Twitter was right to label it as manipulated media?“" “

Point taken. I don’t think they were right to label the tweet as such. 

It is putting them on a very slippery slope and it opens another can of worms. They will find it very hard to convince everybody that they are treating everyone the same. They will also have to have very clear rules. Remember that probably each and every meme is manipulated media. They will be bombarded with accusations of allowing certain memes and tagging others. Good luck to them in defending their actions. 

“ To say he posted as some sort of general attempt to mock fake news coming from the left is a either a defensive mechanism because you can't bring yourself to admit he made a complete tool of himself (for the umpteenth time) or you just outright lying to cover for him.  “

So what do you say about the way that CNN manipulated Trump’s Charlottesville speech? Fake news or not? How is that different from what was portrayed in this meme?

“ I don't think you have a shred of evidence to back your claim that Trump was merely mocking fake news with his tweets.  “

Where is your evidence that he was not mocking fake news.

“ In regards Twitter I do think it needs to be policed and policed in impartial manner. Fake news regardless of the political wing itscoming from needs to be flagged a such.  “

Agreed. Although, self policing would have worked if they did what they are doing in a balanced and unbiased way. If they are, eventually, to be subjected to policing, they would only have themselves to blame. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
20 Jun 2020, 17:14
#46
20 Jun 2020, 17:14#46
Any president or political leader should have content marked as fake media if they post fake media.
Trump wants to fill social media with conspiracy nonsense that the alt-right so love. Trump knows how the simple mind of a Trumpanzee works. Twitter doesn't want their platform to be used for this. 
It is not about equality. No one cares about a tweet that gets 10 impressions. Trump wants to post lies and conspiracies to try to influence the election. Trump is a conman, No US president has ever lied so much.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Jun 2020, 18:43
#47
20 Jun 2020, 18:43#47

“  Trump wants to fill social media with conspiracy nonsense that the alt-right so love.“

Go ahead. Explain to me what the difference is between this meme and what the MSM did with Trump’s Charlottesville speech. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jun 2020, 18:57
#48
20 Jun 2020, 18:57#48

SB

We had the story about the Russian Hoax for years and it was all fake news made up by the media.   Even that dolt Mueller could find NO evidence of any collaboration between the Trump campaign and Russia.   Yet we had it in the news 24/7 for years.  

What came out since was their was collaboration between Clinton and the Russians and they wanted her to win.   

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
20 Jun 2020, 19:42
#49
20 Jun 2020, 19:42#49

"Point taken. I don’t think they were right to label the tweet as such.

It is putting them on a very slippery slope and it opens another can of worms. They will find it very hard to convince everybody that they are treating everyone the same. They will also have to have very clear rules. Remember that probably each and every meme is manipulated media. They will be bombarded with accusations of allowing certain memes and tagging others. Good luck to them in defending their actions. "

Thank you for answering . I disagree with it but at least your answered.  Anyone else care to grow a pair and answer?

"So what do you say about the way that CNN manipulated Trump’s Charlottesville speech? Fake news or not? How is that different from what was portrayed in this meme?"

Again I don't watch CNN so I didn't how CNN covered it at the time. I get my news primarily from Irish and UK based news sources. I do know Trump was heavily criticized for implying equivalency between white supremacists protesters and counter protesters. If you want link me to how CNN covered it and the full speech and I'll judge for myself.

Where is your evidence that he was not mocking fake news.

That's not how it works. Its up to the person who makes a claim to back it up. Trump didn't comment in the tweet. So there was no other context to put that video against. Now forget for a second that Trump posted that video. Imagine watching that video on its own without any other information on where it came from. What conclusion would you draw. The only conclusion anyone would draw is that CNN manipulated a video to try to make out a toddler can be racist.

"Agreed. Although, self policing would have worked if they did what they are doing in a balanced and unbiased way. If they are, eventually, to be subjected to policing, they would only have themselves to blame. "

They have to be policed. People can't just post anything they like without facts or evidence. It has to be a third party and impartial. It has to be done even if it means less users use twitter and its share value drops. I'm not for a second saying it would be easy to do but the internet is the wild west of free speech anything and everything goes at the moment.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Jun 2020, 21:53
#50
20 Jun 2020, 21:53#50

"Again I don't watch CNN so I didn't how CNN covered it at the time. I get my news primarily from Irish and UK based news sources. I do know Trump was heavily criticized for implying equivalency between white supremacists protesters and counter protesters. If you want link me to how CNN covered it and the full speech and I'll judge for myself."

Not watching CNN is a feeble excuse, It was not only CNN who carried the "preferred" portion of Trump's speech. It was all of the major news outlets, including the BBC. You are correct in saying that: "...Trump was heavily criticized for implying equivalency between white supremacists protesters and counter protesters". That is because none of them carried Trump's entire speech, at least until there was an outcry about them committing Fake News again. They were all broadcasting the part of Trump's speech where he said that there were good people on both sides. He was at that stage referring to, (and he also made it clear in his speech) the people who were peacefully protesting for and against taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. That was when he said that there were good people on both sides. He then went on to say that he is not talking about the white supremacists, alt-right, neo-nazis, etc and, what he called alt-left. He named them all. He said that they were murderous thugs. He went  on and called the person who drove into the crowd with his vehicle a vicious  murderer who should e dealt with with the full extent of the law. At this point, I would like to remind you that Trump has always been a massive advocate for equal treatment under the law. He has, since before he even ran for office, always defended the right to protest. Even under the current situation in America. There are numerous clips of him saying that people have the right to peacefully protest. The beauty is that it is not only Trump who says that. The right to peacefully protest is enshrined in the US constitution. Then you have idiots like Chris Quomo, saying shit on TV like, where does it say that protests have to be peaceful. 

In any case, the MSM, including CNN immediately jumped on the bandwagon, quoting him saying that there were good people on both sides. It was only much later that the full speech was aired, after the complaints started rolling in. 

I am not going to go through one clip after the other to find the exact clips. This was a clip of Trump repeating what he said immediately after seeing the clips the clips of the incidents. Listen to the reporters immediately attacking him. None of them asked probing questions to get behind the true story. Despite what they heard at in that conference, they still went out, saying that he defended the far right organisations, doing exactly what he has been mocking them in the meme about. In actual fact, it was not Trump who was mocking them, it was the meme maker, Carpe Donktum, who was mocking them. Trump just who retweeted it. Numerous people, have retweeted that meme since Twitter took it down, and all of those tweets are still visible. Check this clip from around 1:30:




"That's not how it works. Its up to the person who makes a claim to back it up. Trump didn't comment in the tweet."

The circumstances alone, the way that the media, and CNN in particular, has been treating Trump since day one is evidence enough that he has been mocking them. The way that they are milking this situation is another example of this. Now, again, how do you substantiate your idea that he was not mocking them. 

"They have to be policed. People can't just post anything they like without facts or evidence."

Once again, I agree. My point, though, is that it should not have been necessary, There was a time when the media could have been left alone to draw up their own code of decent conduct and be allowed to police themselves and do it properly and discipline those who transgress. That  is not happening any more, since they are all owned by oligarchs with their own agendas.  


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Jun 2020, 23:02
#51
20 Jun 2020, 23:02#51

Well, this was pretty hilarious.

From this day forward all memes are to be fact checked.

Hahahaha

Trump wins...yet again.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Jun 2020, 01:11
#52
21 Jun 2020, 01:11#52


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Jun 2020, 10:09
#53
21 Jun 2020, 10:09#53

And yes,  agree, all memes are to be fact checked from now on. 

Any representation which does not strictly conform to reality, must be denoted as such.

Twitter only has hundreds of millions of users. Should be an easy job.

Haha

Let's go police state. Let's go.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Jun 2020, 19:16
#54
21 Jun 2020, 19:16#54

A final word on this...

If you un-ironically refer to meme that was published as a meme and intended to be viewed as a meme, as a "fake video", then you are confirming that you are FAKE NEWS.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jun 2020, 20:25
#55
22 Jun 2020, 20:25#55

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA  Trump had the nutjobs at CNN in a right spin!!!!

Let this article explain the sting! Bwahahahahahahahahha Note the date. Didn't post this as wanted the marxists here to get in a full froth all on their own!

Poor wee Stav doesn't know anything much as the globalist media keeps him in shocking ignorance.


Nolte: CNN and Twitter Panic over Trump Retweet of ‘Racist Baby’ Parody

CNN and Twitter went into a very revealing fact-checking frenzy after President Trump retweeted a “Racist Baby” parody.

What’s most revealing about all this, is that CNNLOL has become such a fake news parody of itself, and is so aware it has become a fake news parody of itself, the far-left outlet felt it had no choice other than to panic over a parody video. In other words,  CNNLOL’s credibility is so shot, it had every reason to fear people would believe a CNNLOL parody was valid, was real —  this includes the misspelling of “Todler’ in the phony CNNLOL chyron. HAHAHAHAHAHA

Imagine your reputation being so tattered, such a national joke, you have to go into Defcon 1 fact checking mode after President Trump retweeted this clip

The panic that ensued at CNNLOL as soon as Trump retweeted that, had nothing to do with CNNLOL not being able to take a joke… Obviously, CNNLOL can’t take a joke;  anyone who remembers how the far-left outlet openly threatened to destroy the life of a meme maker, knows that. But that wasn’t CNNLOL’s fear this time.

No, what panicked the fake news outlet was the perfectly justifiable concern people would assume Carpedonktum’s brilliant parody was not a parody. 

(HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YA GOT ME AS THThe panic that ensued at CNNLOL as soon as Trump retweeted that, had nothing to do with CNNLOL not being able to take a joke… Obviously, CNNLOL can’t take a joke;  anyone who remembers how the far-left outlet openly threatened to destroy the life of a meme maker, knows that. But that wasn’t CNNLOL’s fear this time.

The panic that ensued at CNNLOL as soon as Trump retweeted that, had nothing to do with CNNLOL not being able to take a joke… Obviously, CNNLOL can’t take a joke;  anyone who remembers how the far-left outlet openly threatened to destroy the life of a meme maker, knows that. But that wasn’t CNNLOL’s fear this time.

No, what panicked the fake news outlet was the perfectly justifiable concern people would assume Carpedonktum’s brilliant parody was not a parody. CNNLOL was worried people would believe CNNLOL had actually lied and manipulated the truth to that grotesque of a degree. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So of course CNNLOL was worried we would all believe the parody video was real. And then, to everyone’s amusement, CNNLOL proved it knows its national reputation is a joke by screaming and stumbling around like the Keystone Liars they are to prove the parody was a parody.

CNNLOL published indignant fact checks.

Twitter labeled the video as “manipulated media” complete with a warning label so pious it made me laugh out loud:

The far-left New York Times published its own panicked fact check.

The far-left Washington Post’s own fake fact-checker fired off a stern harrumph.

They may still be active, I don’t know, but a few years ago I discovered a number of Twitter accounts impersonating my account. The accounts posted wildly misleading information about me, my work… The accounts were desperate to make me look like a bigot… You want to know why I didn’t care then and don’t care now…? The parodies are so ridiculous no one will believe it’s me. Plus I’m not a neurotic pajama boy.

CNNLOL doesn’t share that peace of mind, because CNNLOL knows everyone will think the worst of CNNLOL because CNNLOL is already the worst — and CNNLOL  knows it’s the worst. LOL. 


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