Fancy starting a top level meet

Pakie, I'm asking for a solution. I didn't say hand over the farms as handing it over I agree would be a disaster. Still the situation wrankles.

And it's not 93%, it's 72%...of which the majority is in the Northern Cape desert and in the Karoo...and that's farmland in private ownership...the government owned land is not part of that equation...

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Denise(AKA the mole Blackboy) is a leka racist.

I am?

Really???

Prove it.

Man you're a friggin weirdo.

The solution? Start with government land and train people to farm, and keep vigil to see that they use the land profitably and sustainably. Fat fucking chance that's ever going to happen. The reality is that "land" is being used as a political weapon. Everyone wants "land", but no one knows what to do with the land once they get it. What's the point of giving people "land" and next year the only thing on that land is another massive squatter camp full of impoverished people? The government isn't interested in helping people to uplift themselves. It just wants to dangle the carrot of "land" in front of their noses for votes.

Shouldn't the white farmers just give up all the land, after all its not worth dying over, too many have died already and for what the ego and vanity of white farm leaders, they have had years to negotiate but chose not too. I mean one owner of the land is the same as the other and the white farmers are no saints so whats the problem.

And it's not 93%, it's 72%

So you're capable of fact checking after all...in certain circumstances. Amazing.

Stav

OK lets get back to reality and not BS. There ahs been engotiations for years eve since 1991 and that lead to the present situation where farmers are murdered and now u came up with the following BS:-

"for what the ego and vanity of white farm leaders, they have had years to negotiate but chose not too. I mean one owner of the land is the same as the other and the white farmers are no saints so whats the problem."

Total garbage most fanmes do more for their workers than any other employers in SA and I know from pesonal experiemce on what has been dne and si ebing done. There are some abd farmers when it comes to treatment of worker - but they are few in number. But most farm murders are in act committed by illegals from the rest of Africa who see farmes as vulnerable to be robbed and killed, So start thinkng of that one as well,

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I mean one owner of the land is the same as the other and the white farmers are no saints so whats the problem.

This is a troll, right? I would hope so, because the other alternative is just plain stupidity. The "I get my food at the grocery store, why do we need farmers" level of stupidity.

This is a troll, right? I would hope so, because the other alternative is just plain stupidity. The "I get my food at the grocery store, why do we need farmers" level of stupidity.

Just applying the same logic to the situation with white farm owners in South Africa that some users here apply to the situation in Ukraine.

Now would white farm owners stop poking the bear.

"Shouldn't the white farmers just give up all the land, after all its not worth dying over, too many have died already and for what the ego and vanity of white farm leaders, they have had years to negotiate but chose not too. I mean one owner of the land is the same as the other and the white farmers are no saints so whats the problem"

Whether this is trolling or sarcasm or whatever the hell you want to try and label this post... it is just downright disgusting and despicable....

Man.... this says so much about you....

Wow .....makes me sick when someone over 10 000kms away thinks he actually knows what is going on in this land.

"Just applying the same logic to the situation with white farm owners in South Africa that some users here apply to the situation in Ukraine"

You could have chosen a far better way to express it, especially given just how sensitive this issue is here in SA

Making statements like

"too many have died already and for what the ego and vanity of white farm leaders".......

and .....

"and the white farmers are no saints so whats the problem"

Not cool

"Wow .....makes me sick when someone over 10 000kms away thinks he actually knows what is going on in this land."

Not agreeing with Stav's comments in this case (and I think you're missing the comparison he's making to Ukraine) . . . but is what you said above any different to all the Saffers telling Stav all about what they think is happening in Ireland and telling him he doesn't know what's going on in his own country?

Do you also get sick when idiots like Baboon-ou and ou Maaik think they know better than Stav what's going on in Ireland?

"Shouldn't the white farmers just give up all the land, after all its not worth dying over, too many have died already and for what the ego and vanity of white farm leaders, they have had years to negotiate but chose not too. I mean one owner of the land is the same as the other and the white farmers are no saints so whats the problem.

And it's not 93%, it's 72%

So you're capable of fact checking after all...in certain circumstances. Amazing."

I didn't have to check it...immediately knew the 93% was wrong...and your farm murder analogy is almost kinda valid...almost, spotted your angle immediately...what's happening in Ukraine is not fair at all...

I thought it would be obvious that my post was a dig at other posters on here who have made posts on the Ukraine war that Ukraine was fighting a war for the personal glory of its leader, should have cut a deal at the start of the war and that land and national identity is not worth fighting a war over, that's it makes no difference if Ukraine is controlled by Russia or Ukraine, its all the same as well (none of which has ever elicited the OMG this is outrageous response I've just got from some posters), as well as having a dig Trump shifting the blame to the Ukrainian's.

All of which in my view is absolutely disgusting and despicable as some would put it considering Ukraine is fighting for its very existence and sacrificed so much, but rather than blow my gasket at them, I'm just showing how the same logic would look when applied to the situation of white South African's fighting for their land.

Am I giving this forum too much credit, or will I label my posts SARCASM in future?

Do you also get sick when idiots like Baboon-ou and ou Maaik think they know better than Stav what's going on in Ireland?

Precisely, where's the consistency. DA has accused me in the past of not seeing what's going on my doorstep but apparently if I can't comment about South Africa. So does this apply to everyone, do we just stick to talking about the country we live in, should none of us comment on Ukraine at all, as we don't live there?

Well Stav, if you haven't worked out yet that DumbAss is an opinionated and loud-mouthed fool then you have only yourself to blame.

I do not pretend I know anything about Ireland. I just ask Stav his opinion at times when news from Ireland seems a bit weird and neve eve expressed an opinion on Ireland.

Don't worry ou Maaik, we all know that you don't know anything about anything.

Some are too polite to say it, but we all know it.

Getting off at being a doos is quite something...you are more wrong than you could ever know Rudehole...but thanks for reminding us of just how much of a POS you are.

Uh-oh . . . the class monitor is running off to tell the teacher that naughty Rooinek is being ugly to ou Maaik again.

I know there are a few posters who think ou Maaik is a harmless old fool and something of a gentleman.

I'm not one of them. I think ou Maaik is a thunderously stupid, low-class liar with the integrity and decency of a cockroach. If that makes me the devil incarnate then so be it.

‘Low class’….you really are so screwed up Time Stamp. Class doesn’t matter any more, it’s a Victorian concept, Just as using homophobic slurs is no longer acceptable.

I you want to pretend you are a legitimate bleeding heart you have to do better,

"I you want to pretend . . ."

Huh?

Sorry let me help if you can’t leap over a small typo …’if you want to pretend’…..happy now?

Wehe . . . the pompous, condescending and pedantic grammar-Nazi - who just the other day was clutching at his tiny little gherkin and shrieking about what he thought was a missing comma - gives himself a pass for "I you want to". It was just a typo.

LMAO!

The missing comma was the result of ignorance …the typo was careless. Would you rather be stupid or a bit careless?

ROFL!

Actually no, only a poorly educated and poorly read dolt . . . think of a loudmouth who claims to have read Lord of the Rings but talking about "Rhymer Wormtongue" (sic) or saying things like "from the manor born" . . . would think that a comma was necessary in that sentence.

You're a pompous blowhard, Moffie . . . and I think deep down you know it. If you don't then you're a stupid, pompus blowhard.

Ah Timestamp….a blowhard. But you are perfectly aware I’m not. I calculate I spent my corporate life at least 6 levels above your’s. I was a democratic sort of leader, but the chances are if you worked for me I would never even have been aware of you. That’s how different the nature of our work has been.

I introduce this in evidence reluctantly, but one has the right to self defence. We had this debate when I first came on these Boards and you were humiliated back then, so you know my positions, hell you even crawled over my daughters’ Facebook accounts.

Are you going to lie about this, take the deep dive or apologize. I’m not holding my breath.

What's funny is how Trump like you brag about your qualifications, it comes across as being insecure, as if you can't believe your good luck or perhaps it's just to remind posters that you're superior to them in both wealth and education.

There is sadly nothing modest or humble about you.

I mean how many times have you pointed out that me or someone else hasn't even had a basic education as a way of lording your superiority.

And all of that on a remote and insignificant rugby message board.

But the thing I really don't get is your childishness.......how can anyone.......you brag a PhD whilst carrying on high school???

Oh look I can carry on.......no matter we've been here before......have a fat day!

Hysteria, unlike you I don’t have a whole life to be modest about. So as soon as Timestamp stops lying about my credentials, I’ll stop telling the truth about his.

"Hysteria, unlike you I don’t have a whole life to be modest about."

This kills me.

Denise goes on a whole lefty type victim parade...and all he gets back is "I'm sorry you suck."

Classic!!!

hahahaha

Draad, you didn't see that one coming from Stav?

Oppas, hy's n' bietjie slim.

Go on Stav, translate it...it'll being a smile to your dile.

Was so duidelik soos daglig...en slim vang sy baas...why I injected the South African angle...only, I was actually including the whole South Africa suffering, not only plaasmoorde...was expecting the " you Boers have it coming" angle...just not from Stav...ah, well...

I know Stav doesn't believe that at all...actually the opposite, he used it to illustrate the point...sadly, there are probably millions in South Africa who seriously believe that...some even on this board.

Stav, will you ever admit that the strategy you wanted and got, for Ukraine, has left them in a far worse position?

Don't wuss out and opine on their right to defend themselves, etc. We know that everybody has a right to defend themself.

I'm asking about outcomes.

Stav, will you ever admit that the strategy you wanted and got, for Ukraine, has left them in a far worse position?

Well not that it was up to me but I didn't get the strategy I wanted. I have issues with strategy that was used. Nor do I see Ukraine in a worse position than before the war. In many ways it's in a much stronger position.

You make an assumption that there was some sort of agreement to be had that could of prevented the war, which I believe is an utterly naive delusion. Any deal that would of been acceptable to Putin would of been tantamount to Ukraine ceasing to exist as an independent country and the Ukrainian national identity being gradually eradicated.

"Nor do I see Ukraine in a worse position than before the war. In many ways it's in a much stronger position."

Pity I can't post pictures of the destruction...stronger my arse...they're on the brink of annihilation...they will perish without significant support...and the support is costing too much...it's inevitable...why can't you admit it?

Okay.

Let me get this straight, you believe Ukraine is in a better bargaining position now than before the war?

I asked Chat for its opinion. Here is a summary of its findings.

Me - "Is Ukraine in a better bargaining position now than before the war? Analyze historical and recent news sources to provide a brief summary of how much Ukraine can negotiate for today compared to before the conflict began."

Chat response summary -"In summary, while Ukraine has shown remarkable resilience, the combination of territorial losses, evolving international alliances, economic strains, and domestic pressures suggests that its bargaining position may be more constrained now than before the war began."

They're fucked and its DJT's fault because he doesn't wanna throw $$ at the meat grinder no more.

Pity I can't post pictures of the destruction...stronger my arse...they're on the brink of annihilation

Rubbish.

Russia currently occupies about 20% of Ukraine and its rate of advance has slowed in the last 2 months from 29.74 square kilometers per day in November down to 16.1 square kilometers in January. To put that into perspective Ukraine is 603,628 square kilometers in size meaning at the present rate of advance it will take Russia 83 years to take the rest of Ukraine.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-fact-sheet-february-21-2025

You're also not looking at disparity in forces considerable narrowing.

.they will perish without significant support

That's possible but not in the short term. From most analysis I've read point out that Ukraine probably has enough military supplies to last 6-12 months and that Russia isn't capable of inflicting any sort of decisive blow in the short term, nor is what Russia doing to maintain its present rate of advance sustainable in the long rung. The question is will we get a ceasefire in the meantime or it not will the American's keep supplying aid along with Europe, or will Europe and Ukraine have to go it alone.

.and the support is costing too much

It's not. As pointed out most of America's military aid was spent in America. Europe now increasingly looks likely that it will seize the vast majority of Russia's $300 billion in frozen assets.

it's inevitable...why can't you admit it?

Because its not inevitable. The only way Putin can win's this is he convinces people its inevitable and they abandon Ukraine. He looks to have convinced Trump of this, but that still leaves the question of what the European's will do.

Me-where Russian demands of Ukraine before its invasion of Ukraine in 2024 generally considered to be in good faith?

Chat response summary-In summary, the general consensus was that Russia’s demands were not in good faith. They appeared to be more about securing Russian dominance over Ukraine and reasserting control over the region, rather than addressing genuine security concerns. This, combined with Russia's aggressive actions in the preceding years, led many to conclude that Russia was not seeking a peaceful resolution but rather was preparing the groundwork for a full-scale invasion.