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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
27 Jul 2025, 21:49
#41
27 Jul 2025, 21:49#41

It is going to be funny.


There are many forces that are going to lead liberal nations to get rid of millions of people. One is the failed perception they have about themselves.


Once again, as a reminder, one main blame they put the regime they overthrew was that the King or the Queen was out of his/her system of justice. While it was correct, it must be pointed out that no one else was outside the system, everyone else could be tried.


Liberals want to sell the idea they have achieved a state of society where nobody is above the law. Nobody. Of course instead of failing to accept their own disastrous way, they invert things. When there is no conviction, it is because there is nothing that could justify a conviction.


Liberals have been playing the same tune since the beginning when they came up with their hoax of human rights. Instead of admitting they were failing to abide by their tenets since liberal countries had slaves and not being held as a slave supposedly was an inalienable right., they came up with the story that the human population was divided in humanity, sub humanity and non humanity and therefore it followed that non humans had no human rights. Inversion.


For simple minded people, the Israel matter is simple and determines the inability of liberal countries to prosecute every one. They can not and are probably now past the point of no return since they have been accomplice to Israel. They would be self indicted. Simple minded people do not invert things as liberals do. Negroes were human beings and the very fact that liberal countries had them as slaves signaled a failure of liberal countries to abide by their terms. It does not make negroes non human beings. Simple minded people's pattern of thoughts is stunning for liberals who can not comprehend it as liberals live with a fantasy of almightiness and the very fact negroes were held as slaves made them non human beings. If negroes had been human beings, they would not have been held in slavery. Because human beings can not be held in slavery in a liberal society.


Same tune here, there is no conviction against Israel. So Israel has done nothing. Otherwise, Israel would have been prosecuted.


It is even better when it is put in context. This is an African board and South Africa is notorious to have placed hundreds of thousands of people out of the reach of justice. All people had to do was to pen their atrocities on a record and walked away, guaranteed of impunity. Nothing happened in South Africa, where are the convictions? Where are they?


Liberalism is all about submission. Liberals come up with stories that keep insulting basic human intelligence and demand people to believe their unbelievable stories.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jul 2025, 06:05
#42
28 Jul 2025, 06:05#42

Trad you have been fulsome in your condemnation of liberal nations…..tell us about the progress of African nations since their independence. Is your judgement as harsh?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Jul 2025, 08:08
#43
28 Jul 2025, 08:08#43

Lol South Africa is for sure run by "liberals"

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
28 Jul 2025, 11:23
#44
28 Jul 2025, 11:23#44



VBN

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jul 2025, 14:10
#45
28 Jul 2025, 14:10#45

Like everybody else I hate wars and the attacks of Israel on Hamas and Hezbollah has been initiially based on what Hamas did in October 2023 and that was a fact as well.


However tehre have been too many excesses on te prt of Israel med at Hezbolla nd Hamas to wipe out t he leadership of those two organizations with too many deaths of innocent people ongoing since then. Botha re terrorisrt rganizartions funded by Iran that will not repair the damage caused in the Gaza war.- but continue to promote terrorism in the Middle East.


Trump even beore he became President was involved n trying to get hosataes held by Hamas back and a agreement was reached for an exchangeof prisoners and bodies of murdered Israeli's back from Gaza. Trump in hsi negotiations demanded that Iran must stp supporting terroism in the ME - and finally two weeks agpo told Israel to stop their attacks in Gaza, The Israeli's better adhere to that instruction since if they continue they will not get further arms from Israel.


I am oppsed to the situation in Gaza and the attacks should stop - which I believe will happen. Trump has also convonced he Saudi's and UAR o come on board to rebuild Gaza in a modern city - but that will only happen if Hamas is not invovled in the process,


Lets hope that the situation will be resolved on that basis - and this time Israeli's are sure to stop their olwn attacks.


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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
28 Jul 2025, 16:21
#46
28 Jul 2025, 16:21#46

Trad you have been fulsome in your condemnation of liberal nations…..tell us about the progress of African nations since their independence. Is your judgement as harsh?


There is so much wrong in this statement. This board is peopled with African people. They are the ones who must be interested or concerned by the state of their poverty crippled, war plagued, open to plunder and what more continent.


African nations are irrelevant in the course of history, so why bother?


It is a gross statement to imply that African nations are not driven by liberal tenets.Apart from a few select countries like this land locked country in South Africa the name does not come back, all the others are first place to be considered liberal. Especially dark Africa is more driven by liberal tenets than South America, most of Asia and on certain sides, compete with Europe and North America.


More importantly, liberalism by liberal's own creed is supposed to the regime for all humanity. There should be no other. It is a big thing that relieves from assessing anything other than liberalism. Spending time on that would be a waste of time since liberalism in the short, mid or long run is supposed to be the world's unique regime.


And as if it was not enough, Africa was run by liberal nations and it did that place of the world no good, especially as it forced liberal tenets on them. At the moment, for example, if there is one place in the world that would benefit from protectionism, tariffs and insulation from the rest of the world, that is that place.


And more....


Once again, it shows how liberalism is such a failure, supposedly, liberalism is supposed to include a hard requirement for self criticism. And anytime it is done, liberals take shelter with stuff like that, sidetracking , deflecting and stuff. African nations are irrelevant. Africans on this board should be involved in their own continent, they are not. That is their own problem.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Jul 2025, 10:11
#47
29 Jul 2025, 10:11#47

More liberals in Africa now!!!


Make it great again!



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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
30 Jul 2025, 03:10
#48
30 Jul 2025, 03:10#48

xcvb

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Jul 2025, 06:57
#49
30 Jul 2025, 06:57#49

We need more Liberals in Gaza and Africa

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Jul 2025, 15:18
#50
30 Jul 2025, 15:18#50

Good vid Bob.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Jul 2025, 19:15
#51
30 Jul 2025, 19:15#51

2 wrongs don't make a right...some harsh enforcement of basic laws needed here...but nothing logical will be acceptable to either side...they prefer suffering...

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
04 Aug 2025, 18:22
#52
04 Aug 2025, 18:22#52

Ah, the 2 wrongs do not make one right copes out. What is that wrong that is absolute and what is that right that is absolute.... Nope, 2 wrongs can make two wrongs, one right, one wrong, or two rights. It depends on the receiving end.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Aug 2025, 09:25
#53
06 Aug 2025, 09:25#53

So, Trad, are you gonna get some liberals for Africa and Gaza?


It's needed

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2025, 20:46
#54
06 Aug 2025, 20:46#54

Tradhole has left the building...

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 Aug 2025, 02:43
#55
26 Aug 2025, 02:43#55


another monster emboldened by Batshit2

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Aug 2025, 10:01
#56
26 Aug 2025, 10:01#56

Blo, are you Christian, Muslim or Atheist?


Also, what religion does your family predominantly follow.



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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
26 Aug 2025, 11:13
#57
26 Aug 2025, 11:13#57

Tradhole has left the building...


That is another liberal statement. Liberals are in action in Gaza... It is not about influencing, on the very contrary. It is about understanding and theorizing liberalism. Liberals do as they are. It is out of question to disturb them when they act. And they are taking a lot of actions in Gaza and the West Bank.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Aug 2025, 11:39
#58
26 Aug 2025, 11:39#58

When are you bringing more liberals to Gaza and South Africa, TradPipe?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2025, 12:44
#59
26 Aug 2025, 12:44#59

o me w hat is ah ppening in GAZA is totally unacceptable and shoul be stopped asap. It is not i th interst f anybody to continue with the war in GAZA - but as long as Hamas rule in Gaza thr proplr of Gaza would sufer from inhumane conditions anyway. Trump actually told Israel to stop yjr stsvkd - bt so far Israel did not comply wh the issue,


Hamas is in fact a terrorist organization controlled by the Ayatollah regime ib Teheran making negotiations wth them impossible. A permanent peace settlement in the ME is virtually impossible until the terrorit threat is removed, What happened in Lebaon is the way to go, Hezbollah operating from Lebanon has been eliminated and Turkey and the new Government in Syria is helping with the total disarming and operational capacity of Hezbollah. That leaves Hamas together with the Houth's in Yemen as he only terrorist force still controlled by the Ayatollah regime in the Mideast. . The Houthi's after Trump ordered air and missile attacks on them have gone quiet and very lttle is being repoted in the media insofar as Ymen is concerned,


Thta means the only place where Iran is still in charge is Gaza.- which make future development n Gaza and improvment of the people living there impossible to achieve and as long as that situation prevail no peace will return to Gaza.


To acheve that it seems to them necessary would be to move amed forces from Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the UAE into Gaza to take control of the area with the help of he USA elimination of Hamas terrorism in Gaza and in Israel as well will stop,. Once Hamas has been removed fronm control in Gaza - the incorporaion of Gaza to be returned to Jordan the redevelopment of the area can start. Gaza and Beirut (known in teh 1970's as Paris on the Mediterranean) can be undertaen through nvestments from basically the UAE and he Sauis's . . .

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
27 Aug 2025, 07:59
#60
27 Aug 2025, 07:59#60

ccl

cvbn

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
27 Aug 2025, 08:14
#61
27 Aug 2025, 08:14#61

Of course, the Hamas is also responsible for what is going on in the West Bank.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Aug 2025, 10:39
#62
27 Aug 2025, 10:39#62

Hamas are so liberal.



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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
27 Aug 2025, 12:13
#63
27 Aug 2025, 12:13#63

The cartoon is off target. When comparing liberalism to other political philosophies, nazism and fascism appear as the closest ones. Yet there are fundamental differences between nazism and liberalism.


Nazis were outspoken and straightforward. A press may serve three functions: investigation, information and propaganda. Nazis never hid that the press should focus on propaganda. While the Free press insists that they do information and investigation, they actually do very little investigation, little information and much propaganda. Liberals are big on denial for certain things while Nazis were accepting what they were doing.


One funny example that speaks tons is when the Gestapo arrested people, they were used to say "if we (the Gestapo) have nothing to reproach you (the arrested) with, then things will be fine" Which is correct.

On the other hand, liberals are used to saying "If you (the arrested) have nothing to reproach yourself with, then things will be fine" Which is incorrect.


Weirdly enough, Nazis believed in responsibility and accountability, which led them to perform things in secret. The Eastern front was horrendous by all human measures and while it is not much publicized by liberal countries, the Nazi regime tried Nazi soldiers for war crimes in the middle of the war when the soldiers were caught red handed. Nazis did not believe in impunity.


On the other hand, liberals want impunity. They want to act openly and publicly and not be held accountable for it. Not only that, but liberals criminalize the opposition to the acts. Trump has been rewriting history openly, publicly (this kind of stuff Nazis were doing in secret) And the liberal Israeli actions in Gaza and the West Bank are well documented, they are public, yet the Israeli government will not prosecute their soldiers for war crimes.


Nazis, of course, remain Nazis but when you compare them to liberals, it appears that they had qualities that the liberals do not have. The Israeli leader is a liberal, he is not a Nazi. Liberals do as they are.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Sept 2025, 19:19
#64
30 Sept 2025, 19:19#64

Thousands of Christians murdered in Nigeria this year...crickets...over 100 000 since 2009...18 000 churches burned...not a peep...

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
30 Sept 2025, 21:30
#65
30 Sept 2025, 21:30#65


cvbnm

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Sept 2025, 21:55
#66
30 Sept 2025, 21:55#66

Crickets...only empathy for the selected few...

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Sept 2025, 22:25
#67
30 Sept 2025, 22:25#67

PS....not even close to being Nazis...Zapiro should be ashamed of himself...SIEs...cheapening the holocaust...country of the blind.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
30 Sept 2025, 22:59
#68
30 Sept 2025, 22:59#68

The Gaza genocide is the ongoing, intentional systematic destruction of the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip carried out by Israel during the Gaza war. The genocidal acts include mass killings, starvation, the infliction of serious bodily and mental harm, and preventing births.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
01 Oct 2025, 00:09
#69
01 Oct 2025, 00:09#69
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it just may be a duck


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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
01 Oct 2025, 05:33
#70
01 Oct 2025, 05:33#70

Thousands of Christians murdered in Nigeria this year...crickets...over 100 000 since 2009...18 000 churches burned...not a peep...


It is funny. Liberals speak with no consequences. They drop words and it goes. Maybe the Trump administration could have considered offering these Nigerians a favoured refugee status or something as the Trump administration did for the ongoing genocide in South Africa.


Racism is an essential part of liberalism, liberals can not do without it and it makes even funnier when they use black skinned people to make cheap points.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Oct 2025, 07:56
#71
01 Oct 2025, 07:56#71

My question is why should children and for that matter abyvist be killed in was in he world?


To my mind the problem is whenever anybdy try and end senseless and cruel wars - the media attack any effort of peace - and especially efforts by Trump to get ars ended, If their are hitches in negotiations by TRump to end wars - the media attacks in the hope that it ould dsiscredit Trump.


Major Wars since WW2


It is necessary to consider the involvement of the Najor Wars since WW2, The Korean War stared when Chiese troops invaed Korea and the UN auhrorise ending of troops to prevent China frpm conquering the whole of Korea, UN members send troops to Korea to prevent a Communist Governemnt in China capturing the whole of Korea - even South frica send Air attack pilots to Korea.


In the end the War nded in a stalemate and a ceasefire agreement was entered into, hen Trump tried to negotiate as pesce treaty to formally end the War - North Korean nuclear bomb tests and missile testing stopped The moment Trump left the Presidency the bomb testing and missile testing stopped. In the week after TRump left the WH the testig restarted, So no Peace Treaty trying to formally end he War - the media went ballitic an attacked Trump for even trying to stop the War and the North Korean dictatorship remained a rogue Govenment. The end result was that Korean soldiers joined Russia in the Ukraine War. , .


The Iraq War


Now the situation is that Trump is trying to force Russia to start negotiations and stop the war throuh taking effective steps against Russia and is sabotaged by the NATO allies in achieving anything, So how does the NATO allies and even the Autopen Presidency handled the situation.


In the first instance shortly after the Russians imvaded Ukraine - the Turkish Government convince both Russia and Ukraine to reach a ceasefire followed by peace negotiations. The Ukraine Government insisted on Russia withdrawing from Ukraine and it happened so a meeting under the chairmanship of the Turkish MInister of Foreign Affairs - the Russian and Ukraine Foreign Ministers and also the Russian and Ukraine Ambassadors met in Istanbul, rigress was made and then the Turkish Government announced that progress had been made - a mistake since according to both the Turkish FGovernment and the UKraine Amassador in Turkey confirmed that Blinken phoned the Ukraine Foreign Minister to leave Istanbul and not initial the draft agreement to be forwarded to the Russian and Ukraine Governments for final consideration and the ame day t he Ukraine Foreign Minister left Istanbul.


The Afghanistan War


This War started after the 9/11 terrorist attacks by El Qaeda in the USA that was operating from Afghanistan,





The Ukraine War


There are two major wars at present in the world and those are in Ukraine and Gaza, Did anybody before Trump tried to stop the wars in Ukraine and Gaza? Defntely not the USA or any of the NATO allies - nobody did and what the countries did undermine their own sanctions aimed at forcing Russia to leave Ukraine.


Let me give you some examples. THe USA lost 58 000 deaths in the army in Vietnam and I met some US Embassy guards posted to Pretoria who were ex-soldiers from Vietnam - all of them were psychological wrecks and addicted to drugs and alcohol and in the end all was replaced by 1971. Ex-soldiers from Afghanistan and Iraq are now making up a huge percentage of the people living on the streets in US today - mostly havng psychological problems.


The fact is that the other two major Wars were in Afghanistan and Iraq. The cool heads suggested that the War in Afghanistan should have entailed no grond troops and airial bombardment to punish Alqaeda for their part in the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the USA, The Russian invasion and history of Afghanistan told them no lessons - which ended in withdrawal of Russian troops in diarray in the 1980's. So the war in Afghnisan supported by NATO allies started in 2001 and ended in a chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan in August 2021. But did it end anything other than causing further oppression by the Taliban of he people of Afghanistan.


As if the War in Afghanistan was not enough the USA decided to attack Iraq in 2003 based on a lie by Mueller in te Senate about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction - the same person used as Special Council to deal with the Uraniym I scandal and Russian Hoax. But the ar had ghastly consequences, In Iraq over a million chldren died after depleted Uranium bombs caused them to get cancer and huge numbers of baboes was deformed and died at birth. Nobody can ever be convinced the War was justified, In 2012 Obama decided to withdraw the US troops from Iraq and for that he for the Nobel Peace Price. The result was further msery for the people of Iraq and ISIS as a terrorist organization called ISIS supported by Iran attacked and conquered 70% of Iraq and the situation got worse by the day, By 2014 Obama instructed that 200 mil;itary advisors to train the Iraq Army how to fight ISIS - bi never got involved in the actual fighting but the issue got worse by the day. When Baghdad was threatened by ISIS Trump in 2017 sent US Trops back into Iraq to defeat ISIS and the resulting War - but when Trump had th elader of ISIS hiding in North Syria .


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