Great Christian Revival going on in Europe

‘Overall religion causes more harm than good’. Am I missing something?

Yes.

Imagine religion was removed from the Middle East. Then fast forward 50 years, it could be a different place. Almost certainly more liberal.

Almost certainly more liberal.

A point that strongly advocates for religion.

Liberals speak without context. They usually fail to provide a framework.

Now assessing whether religion has done more harm than good, vast program.

Except for liberals, as long as they benefit from it, it benefits all humanity as they are the only mattering part in humanity.

Like happened in the Soviet era the people turn to religion when they get desperate about oppressive conditions they live under and their living conditions get bad.    The situation in EU countries are deteriorating with living conditions getting worse monthly and that makes people desperate.   Religion seems to  be one means of promising a better future, the other is purely political - get rid of the politicians  who do not care an iota about what happen to the voters they are supposed to represent.   

Because religious leaders care for their whatever.

Imagine if everyone thought like these nut-cases, what a world t hat would be. 

History proves it would be a better world than if every one didn't think like you idiots, we would still be living in caves and groveling on our knees to some imaginary fairy.

21st century and these retards still can only grunt. Man still has along way to go.

No hope, no truth, no idea.... pathetic bunch. 

Glad you agree with me bendover, nothing more pathetic than the super  brain washed religious fools.

Welcome to the side of sanity, never thought I would see you over here where sanity rules.

Hey plum bum out of curiosity who is cumon, you list 3 names then talk about us two, that must be a deep bottle you are in. Can I ask if it's vodka or brandy that you get your courage from?

Have you talked rubbish all your life or just since you became a nutcase of an atheist? 

Guess it's just since I started debating morons like you.

Amazing how idiots always seem to  drag everyone down to their level.

I am off to listen to some videos from the likes of Hitch, Dawkins etc to raise me above you fools.

Thanks for the heads up  Bendover, there is hope for you yet.

Prophets of nothing and emptiness. Imagine listening to someone telling you why he's not a stamp collector. 

Better than listening to some gullible fool that is convinced he was picked out for special treatment over the vast majority of people on this planet.

Is your ego that damaged that you have to make up an imaginary friend just to make you feel important?

Imagine the ticket into heaven was faith in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. 

These very same people would soon be waiting for Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer with their teeth under the pillow. 

Jeremiah 33v3

Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

Allow me to defend my position, and paraphrase Voltaire.

"Doubut is uncomfortable but certainty is absurd."

As far as I am concerned, both religion and atheism are absurd. 

Religion makes a claim. My approach to the claim of a God is to attempt to prove it, not disprove it. That is the most efficient course of action(take a minute to think about why that is the case).

It's the scientific method!!! To replicate results and show that under the same conditions, the results are the same. Investigation of a claim is not synonymous with a bias toward an outcome...idiots.

We can't prove religion, so the closest we can come to a scientific method for religion is to attempt to align it with what our best science says and to see if what religions preach falls in line with what the latest science is telling us.

That's where the two of you supposed scientifically minded individuals fall short.

And I refuse to make the same ignorant mistake. 

The best you can come up with is "accusing" me of being religious, as though that is any sort of counter to anything I've said on this thread. 

A convicted murderer says "You should not murder people because it's bad." And your response is basically, "He's a murderer, so he must be lying, therefore murder is good." Perfect logic chaps <facepalm>

As soon as things become slightly intricate, your minds shut down and you revert to logical fallacies. No? Well, that's exactly what you did above...both of you. 

The best is that you do it with straight faces. Meaning, you're unaware of how to argue a subject and you're ripe for the picking for anybody that does care to debate you for a minute.

Are you aware of the fact that anyone of reasonable intelligence is able to almost instantly discern that your goal with these religious debates is not to arrive at answers or new ideas but rather to disparage those that disagree with you?

And what does that say about you and how confident you are in the choices you've made about how you live your life?

What does that say about how supposedly "scientifically minded" you guys are?

All of this is to say, up your game, think harder , be better!

I understand most of what you're putting down Plum.

The atheist has kind-of boxed his brain into shutdown mode.They don't know how creation came about but God didn't do it, they shout. 

 Then as you say they have a strawman fallacy of saying creationists don't believe animals change.

You cannot be neutral with them, it's either "shutdown mode" or alive in Christ. 

Adding more emptiness as it suits liberals.

Liberals have destroyed discussion and even more debate. Liberals are obsessed with submission.

One of theirs ways: coming with claims that do not need to be debated and claim it needs to be debated. And then enforce submission.

Not knowing how the universe was created (if it was created) does not mean not knowing that this or that did not happen.

Guy who posts on this board claiming he did it, well...

Religion makes a claim. My approach to the claim of a God is to attempt to prove it, not disprove it. That is the most efficient course of action(take a minute to think about why that is the case).

True Jews, true Christians love them...I went to SACS when most of my colleagues were Jews...Christ was a Jew, the Messiah. Present Israel is not real Israel.  When I was very young I worked with a Jewish Israelite. Zvi and his wife Gaja became very close friends. He was 19 years old and fought in Yom Kippur war in 1973.

A Jewish doctor, David Shein saved my life way back in 1990. I love the Jews. The political Israel today is a phony , not true Jews...

Tradition is good...https://youtu.be/gRdfX7ut8gw

I read the first few lines of Butt Plug's first response, and it showed the inner mind of a confused person - rambling and jumping from one side to the next before going back on the fence.

I am starting to think the Traditionalist and ButtPlug, are the same poster. Very difficult to understand the point of each post. 

Certainly not the same... simple logic. Insanity through subtle deception is what takes control of suicide today...we are all going to die...the end and bleats and waving of fists is not going to save you.

Don't need saving, I know I am going to die everybody does but I know I am not wasting my life following some man made book of contradictions and plain fantasy. I might as well follow Mickey Mousefor all the good it will do me when I die. You can waste your life on your knees if you want your choice.

And plumbum you have stated as many times your not religious as you have stated there has to be a superior being that created everything. You are religious I do not understand why you waste your time denying it. It doesn't change any of your arguments it just means you are a theist.

Your main argument seems to be simply that I am an Atheist therfore unable to think for myself. I can say the same about you because you believe in  creator with no evidence but simply your conviction that there has to be one.

Your problem Plumpoes remains with your delivery ........... you're consistently, so fkng boring .

True Plum.A broken toilet seat has no belief, exactly the same as what these these shutdown artists aim for. 

Both ...yes.....pretentious fools....Romans 1v18-22

So many try to elevate their righteousness to being above God.
Yet one gets funny enough a truthful atheist such as Jeffrey Dahmer(cannibal)

Pull your head in plumbum, you have posted multiple times arguing against  the Atheist view without openly stating a god is the only answer then ask for proof that you never stated that a god existed.

Man up and state your position you turd.

Why does it not surprise me that a low life like you will not state openly his position but sticks to word salad to to hide your own convictions so no mater what you can deny anything you stated when you are called out.