"...being controlled and told what to say and do and without you having to saying it also naturally implies he's being controlled by the west for their own interests."
...some interest groups, probably in the West...that's international politics...do you really think he's 100% his own man in anything he does?
So how bad is the Russian military…according to Clever they are fighting a country a tenth of their size where half the people or more actually support Russia and the government isn’t allowed to make any decisions….and still they can’t win
How bad is the USA army that fled in disgrace from Vietnam and Afghanistan and now being taken over by Woke policies?
The madness affecting you driven by propaganda is clear. The russians are not interested in destroying Ukraine - they are trying to limit damage and casualties in their own army that has destroyed an army of 600 000 Ukraine men by waiting and preparing for a US planned counter-attgack that collapsed and the Ukraine forcing grandfathers and women to fight trained Russian soldiers.
I want to refer you to a traditional approach of Russia in rfesepct of wars emphasized by Kutuzov when Napoleon invaded Russia. Patience and time are my main warriors Kutuzov said - they will destroy the French army and they did. Russia already occupy about 20% of the land area of Ukraine and when they choose to do it they will occupy a further 10% - fortify the new Ukraine border the Russians created and leave the rest of the mess the USA has created to be further funded by the USA.
The USA might as well announce the 51 state of the USA being Ukraine. That would lift Ukraine from being a USA colony to State level status.
Do you really think the EU voters will support that BS approach of he USA. They will not -.any Govenment going along with that idiocy will fall quickly. Five EU countries have already had a collapse of Governing parties in elections and the UK, France and Germany will follow soon.
With the Open USA Border policies there are enough terrorists (calculated as 30 000) entering the USA and adding to the BLM and Antifa terrorist subsidiaries of the Democratic Party they will strike soon and the US Army will have to remain in the USA to protect the country from inernal terrorism that will make the 9/11 terrorism a minor incident compared to what will start soon in the USA. .
No they never ‘fled in disgrace’ that was Russia in Afghanistan, actually losing some of the battles. In both Vietnam and Afghanistan the US won the initial battles decisively, but eventually decided its terrorist and partisan losses were unacceptable.. But predictably Biden rushed the Afghanistan withdrawal for political reasons and bungled the whole thing.
Russia had a relevant ground force in WW2 when tanks ruled the battlefield and numbers dominated. With modern technological warfare those advantages are gone and even in WW2 smart analysts point to German weakness, particularly in fuel, rather than Russian strength.
Hell Japan defeated Russia in the 20th century setting up yet another precondition for the disastrous revolution which has negated Russia’s progress in the modern world.
Who knows what the EU will ultimately do….but if Ukraine is abandoned Europe is going to look a lot less desirable, especially as that will suggest a U.S. withdrawal of interest. The economic consequences of that will be far greater than the needed Ukraine support.
As for the patience argument….please. Russia walked into the Ukraine as a big screw you to the West. You don’t make a power statement like that and then get fought to a standstill by a much smaller military if you can avoid it.
Russia set out to take Kiev and was stopped by anti tank technology. They are doing everything they can to win the war. That just turns out to be not enough.
...some interest groups, probably in the West...that's international politics...do you really think he's 100% his own man in anything he does?
Again that sounds all rather vaguely conspiracy-ish.Stav
Originally the myth was sold by especially the US Army that with the better caliber of weapon provision by NATO countires and the weaknessx of the Russian Army and ppor weaponry the Ukraqinians will win the war easily.
The fact is that the weapon superiority wa a myth and the weak Russian Army captured virtually the whole Donbas region 9 about 15% of the area of Ukraine and is now a ttacking expanding the area they occupy rapidly. And the superiority of the amaments was a myth as well. .Is it not time that you give up on the myth that Ukraine will win the War.
Now as to Zelenskyy - his whole election campaign centers about ending the civil war in Eastern Ukraine by negotiations with all parties concerned. It did not take long befcore Senator Menendez (as corrupt as Biden is himslf) as Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee who had to sign off on foreign aid programs - visited Kiev and the peace talks strategy proposed by Zelenskyy went out of the window. I gave a number of examles where the US Government instruted the Ukraine Government to obey with a threat that US Aid to Ukraine would be stopped unles Ukraine obey instructions directly from Washington.
Incidentally the FBI conducted a search of Menendez house more than a year ago - found $500 000 in casah and gold bars. He was apparently bribed by the Egyptian Government to sign off on aod programs. The FBI froze the report - but unfroze it since whistleblowers are reporting regularly on illegal and unconstitutional actions by the FBI and the Menendez report suddenly was unfrozen and he and his wife were charged with bribery and corruption. As to be expected from Demcorats he is trying to represent the Democratic Party in the election in 2024.
It is clear that nothing is decided in Kiev - the USA tells them what to do and they do it. Take the famous campaign starting on 4 June 2023. The campaign was plannd by the US G overnment and given to Ukraine - 60 000 Ukraine soldies were trained by the US Army to undertake the campaign and control of the whole process was domne by the US Government. What the US Govrnment told the Ukraine puppets was to alunch attacks which faltered during the first few dxays of the campaign and the 60 000 trained troops were wiped out.
The Ukraine Government has no money and is entirely dependent on their overlords in Washington. With the money supply from the USA and Germany in jeopardy a quick change in Government is very possible, So forget about a potential victory by Ukraine - there is no chance of it.
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Stav...I am an Afrikaner and a patriot and grew up in an era where everyone did 2 years of military service and occasional reserve service for years to come after that...in highschool we had cadets once a week for an hour or so...we went to school with army uniforms for the day...army shorys with school socs and shoes instead of boots, but berets and all...we had madallions for shooting etc...thats how we were raised...we accepted it as reality...it was our normal...then we learned the history of the Boers and the Brits and the war...my first observation about the Boer war was that it was stupid and unnecessary and could have been prevented by compromise and a bit less pride...the chances of the Boers winning was just too slim to justify the lives lost...that war lasted 3 years and fcd up 2 generations and the scars lasted generations longer...some of the heroes of that war also tried to prevent it, but fought valiently when they couldn't...the leadership decided on war, so war it was...3 years of death and destruction and yhen the inevitable surrender...the Ukrain war is way worse and even if Ukraine hold out for a few years there country is being devistated, generations are destroyed...infrastructure and lives are destroyed...and I don't think it's worth the price...what the fck for? What does Putin want from this? ...is there nothing Ukraine can do to stop this...sometimes bullies get their way...the sacrifice is too high...tell someone who lost a father, mother or child about the glory of giving Russia the finger.
So Draad after Hitler had rolled over France, with fascist governments in Italy and Spain things looked pretty hopeless for the UK. The way I read your views on avoiding unnecessary destruction I guess their best move according to you was simply to surrender.
There were many in senior circles in the UK who felt that way, so I’m not being critical, but what was done against the odds changed the course of history. Do you think it was worth it, where does one draw the line and say this is worth fighting and perhaps dying for?
Moz, you are right. We could probably most of the destruction off WWII by surrendering, but then the world would have been a terrible place...England probably wouldn't have prevailed had the USA not joined the cause...I'm glad this happened and things turned out the way they did...
Coming back to the Boer war...we lost after 3 years of destruction...so the same result if we didn't fight at all...but then we gradually became independent again...
Will it be the same for Russia and Ukraine?...I don't know. That's for the people of Ukraine to decide...but it's not that easy. Everyone has the choice to fight, but everyone doesn't have the choice to refuse and leave the country...I don't think this problem will be solved on the battlefield...this needs a political solution and the USA need to be part of that...and it's not happening under the current administration...I don't think the political will is there...not implying that they're fueling the war or want it even...just saying they're not trying very hard to force Russia to stop it.
Mozart
I would suggest that you study carefully the role of the Bandera movement in WW2 when that movement was allies of the Nazi's and what happened in 2014 when members of the Bandera movement in Urkraine was appointed by the US Government as leaders in the new Governement estbalished in Ukraine by the US Government in 2014. As a result a civil war broke out in 2014 and continued in Ukraine until February 2022. It was not at all a reasobale approach at all and was a direct cause of the present War in Ukraine.
Read the following ratings of Biden as well in thir November 2023 ratings of Gallop Polls:-
STORY HIGHLIGHTSInsofar as the Gallop polls fndings are concened the follwng comments of Gallop in their November 2023 polls must also be borne in mind:-
"President Joe Biden’s job approval rating remains at 37%, tying his personal low, with disapproval at 59%. Approval ratings of the president’s handling of healthcare (40%) and the situation in Ukraine (38%) are similar to his overall rating, while fewer, 32% each, approve of his handling of the economy, foreign affairs, and the situation between the Israelis and Palestinians."
How that finding ties in with the funding of the Ukraine war by the USA claimed in another Gallop poll can just be described as amazing.
It in fact cofirm the findings of the Poll done by CNN to which I refer previously.