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Hell broke lose in Venezuela - Trump did what was really needed for years

Started by clevermike81 REPLIES814 VIEWS· 03 Jan 2026, 11:53
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jan 2026, 11:53
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03 Jan 2026, 11:53#1

He sent n troops o capture the arch-dic tator and Criminal Maduro and now the peope a last has a chance to mpove towaards the much needed liberation and for the latest Nobel Prize winner to take power in that country that went dfrom being the healthest country in South A merica to be the poorest under a Communist dictator,


I know some site members will go into weeping - but let them. Trump is doing something for Venezuela which Bden should have done. Hi Autopen wants drugs streaming into the USA - a sample also found in theWH. He would rather have added to the gangsters being sent to the USA to destroy the country from within.



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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
03 Jan 2026, 13:40
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03 Jan 2026, 13:40#2

Under international law this is terrorism. Madura is not a good person, but this is all about oil. It has nothing to do with liberating Venezuela.


Venezuela does not even produce drugs, They are a transit depot for drugs, but if it was about drugs - why not attack the countries that are the producers of the drugs. Most of the drugs enter America through Mexico.


This is looking like an Iraq war that had disastrous consequences

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AJHPro3,183 posts
03 Jan 2026, 14:18
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03 Jan 2026, 14:18#3

It is a start and I am sure other countries are on the list.

You have to witness the human destruction taking place in the USA due to the drugs being dumped in the country.

Shocking and disturbing.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Jan 2026, 15:19
#4
03 Jan 2026, 15:19#4

Of course it's all about the oil.


Where have we seen US military intervention since Vietnam when it wasn't about oil?


This is a very dangerous precedent.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
03 Jan 2026, 15:24
#5
03 Jan 2026, 15:24#5

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
03 Jan 2026, 15:38
#6
03 Jan 2026, 15:38#6

Confirmation that any semblance of international law and order is well and truly dead after this.



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jan 2026, 16:38
#7
03 Jan 2026, 16:38#7

So as ex[ected h re fools on site ssupport dictatorships and oppression of people.


o lets see whether their love of dictatorship counts for


Venezuela ‘at the threshold of freedom’: Maria Corina Machado outlines post-Maduro vision

Venezuelan opposition leader and Nobel Peace Prize recipient Maria Corina Machado tells Fox News’ Rachel Campos-Duffy that her country is nearing freedom as the U.S. ramps up pressure on Nicolas Maduro.

The successors to the ousted authoritarian Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro are likely to be the 2025 Nobel Peace Prize winner and opposition leaders María Corina Machado and Edmundo González, according to an expert on Caracas.

Jorge Jraissati, a Venezuelan who is the president of the Economic Inclusion Group, told Fox News Digital that "Machado and Gonzalez would assume a transitional government in Venezuela. They have the support of 70% of Venezuelans. They would lead this transition period." He added that "I believe Machado has the capacity and integrity to lead this very delicate transition. Key will be her ability to surround herself with young and capable Venezuelans instead of career politicians."

The United States recognized González as the legitimate leader of Venezuela after he soundly defeated Maduro by a more than two-to-one margin in the 2024 election. González replaced Machado after she was banned from running for the presidency by the Maduro-run high court. Maduro ignored the results.


While Machado has yet to comment on Maduro's fall, just last month she told Fox News Digital that "I am absolutely grateful to President Donald Trump for every gesture, every signal and every moment that he has stood with the Venezuelan people. I have watched it very closely, and I know what it has meant for those who are fighting to reclaim democracy and freedom in our country."

Having been announced as the winner of the Nobel Prize in December, Machado, who was hiding at the time because of Maduro’s efforts to purge the opposition, said about the award and committee, "I am very grateful to them, and this is a measure of what this recognition means to the Venezuelan people."


An official familiar with the matter told Fox News Digital that Machado hopes to visit the U.S. and meet the president to formally honor him for what she views as his support for the Venezuelan people.

Machado’s remarks come as she re-emerged publicly in Oslo, Norway, after spending 11 months in hiding. After a brief detention during an anti-government protest in Caracas, she went underground as pressure from the Maduro government intensified.

Her return to the public eye coincided with the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony, where her daughter, Ana Corina Sosa, accepted the award on her behalf. The Associated Press reported that Machado waved to cheering supporters from a hotel balcony — her first public appearance in nearly a year.


Why must the people of Venezuela suffer because the shit on site hate democracy and freedom of people. If they do not realize tht the end of the Maduro dictaorship will benefot all people in South America.


Congrats to the US A rmy for a very successful operation. The elected President of Venezuela will take over the Presidency and she will visit Washing ton soon to give TRump the hig hest award imaginal forfreein g the people of Venezuela from a criminal dictatorship


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jan 2026, 16:43
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03 Jan 2026, 16:43#8

SB


I the 1980;s Regan, Tnatcher and Kohl allied to end the Communist dictorships in Russia, and satern Europe - S he loved Reagan and was his stronm get admirer,


While you love dictaotrships and support rogue Governments - you are always on the wrong side against DEMOCRACY - so l;ive being an idiot.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
03 Jan 2026, 16:51
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03 Jan 2026, 16:51#9

You backward redneck. Many countries in the world are authoritarian. Does that allow Trump to invade all of these countries? For example, North Korea is far worse, but they have a stronger army than Venezuela, and more importantly, they have nukes.


This is going to push the world towards nulclear weapons as they know they are safe from Trump with them.

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
03 Jan 2026, 18:53
#10
03 Jan 2026, 18:53#10

So if he has done the right thing why hasn't he done the same to North Korea?


The people of North Korea have a lot less freedom than the people of Venezuela so why didn't Trump start there? (no oil maybe lol)


So from your post you are now calling for Trump to invade North Korea right?


You seriously need to start thinking things through dumbmike


Also I think Trump has missed the obvious answer to solving the drug problem in America, all he needs to do is dress a hundred thousand guys in black uniforms, construct a couple of dozen extermination camps and eradicated the end users (well they are all dying at an alarming rate anyway). Not only will this crush the drug cartels over night, it will reduce America's crime rate and save billions of tax payers money in welfare.

Also if they expand the project and include all the kids of the users and any others that they suspect will become druggies they will save even more. Now include all minorities, poofs, non evangelical Christians. lefties and any one else I forgot mention that the red neck right Trump hates then all of America's problems would be solved in 2 or 3 weeks

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Jan 2026, 19:54
#11
03 Jan 2026, 19:54#11

Does North Korea have oil?


They have a crazed dictator, one of the worst human rights records in the world and they regularly brag about their nuclear capability . . . but they don't have oil . . . so no, the US won't be invading them any time soon . . . but if they did, well, it would be the greatest invasion anyone had ever seen.


Bozo's pathetic press conference - where he basically "explained" the whole thing away by telling us how wonderful he is and how bad Biden was - was all the proof any intelligent person should need that he is an unhinged danger to the world.


Anyone who bought even a tiny fraction of the bullshit that was spouted tonight in Florida (and I'm talking about Bozo here, not Moffie) is a fundamentally stupid person. All jokes aside. A fundamentally stupid person.


I mean really . . . that stuff about "stealing our oil"?


How do you spin it that Venezuelans are "stealing" Venezuelan oil from the USA . . . and how stupid must you be to swallow that particular line of Bozo bullshit?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jan 2026, 20:16
#12
03 Jan 2026, 20:16#12

How do you spin it that Venezuelans are "stealing" Venezuelan oil from the USA . . . and how stupid must you be to swallow that particular line of Bozo bullshit?


Here’s AI….read and learn:


Major international court and arbitration decisions regarding the nationalization of Venezuela's oil industry, primarily focusing on the 2007 expropriations under Hugo Chávez, include:

  1. ConocoPhillips ($8.5 Billion+ Award):
  2. In January 2025, an ICSID (World Bank) tribunal dismissed Venezuela’s final appeal to annul an $8.5 billion award granted to ConocoPhillips.
  3. Including interest, the total liability is estimated at over $11 billion as of 2026.
  4. This follows a separate $2 billion award in 2018 from the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) for breach of contract, which led ConocoPhillips to briefly seize PDVSA assets in the Caribbean.
  5. ExxonMobil ($1.6 Billion Award):
  6. In 2014, ICSID ordered Venezuela to pay $1.6 billion for the nationalization of the Cerro Negro project.
  7. Although a later annulment committee reduced parts of this payout to roughly $188 million, legal battles for enforcement have continued into 2025 and 2026.
  8. Citgo Auction and Debt Recovery:
  9. U.S. courts have ruled that shares of Citgo (PDVSA's U.S. refining subsidiary) can be auctioned to satisfy these arbitration debts.
  10. In December 2025, a judge approved the sale of Citgo to Amber Energy for approximately $5.9 billion, with proceeds intended for creditors like ConocoPhillips and mining firm Crystallex.
  11. Legal Foundations of Nationalization:
  12. International law generally recognizes a sovereign state's right to nationalize resources under the principle of Permanent Sovereignty over Natural Resources (PSNR).
  13. However, these "lawful" rights are subject to the requirement of full compensationat fair market value, which international tribunals have consistently ruled Venezuela failed to provide.


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
03 Jan 2026, 20:19
#13
03 Jan 2026, 20:19#13

China will move into Taiwan soon

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Jan 2026, 20:22
#14
03 Jan 2026, 20:22#14

"China will move into Taiwan soon"


Why wouldn't they? The precedent has been set.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jan 2026, 20:30
#15
03 Jan 2026, 20:30#15

So as probably the only person on this Board who has spent much time in Venezuela, here are a few facts.


  1. Economic Collapse: Venezuela, once prosperous, saw its GDP per capita decline by two-thirds since 2014, with industries crippled and businesses closing due to economic ineptitude and kleptocracy, despite possessing the world's largest oil reserves.
  2. Humanitarian Catastrophe: Hyperinflation, mass unemployment, and shortages of food, medicine, and water are rampant, forcing millions into extreme poverty and survival strategies, notes World Vision, Human Rights Watch, and Mercy Corps.
  3. Mass Exodus: Over 7 million Venezuelans have fled since 2014, primarily to Latin America and the Caribbean, straining social services in host countries like Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, and Brazil.
  4. Political Instability: The crisis deepened under Nicolás Maduro, marked by political repression, erosion of democratic institutions, and contested elections, further exacerbating economic woes.


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
03 Jan 2026, 20:35
#16
03 Jan 2026, 20:35#16

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/03/us-politicians-reaction-capture-venezuelan-president-maduro


US senator Mark Warner of Virginia, who serves as vice-chairman of the Senate select committee on intelligence, said the US constitution “places the gravest decisions about the use of military force in the hands of Congress for a reason. Using military force to enact regime change demands the closest scrutiny, precisely because the consequences do not end with the initial strike.”

He added: “If the United States asserts the right to use military force to invade and capture foreign leaders it accuses of criminal conduct, what prevents China from claiming the same authority over Taiwan’s leadership? What stops Vladimir Putin from asserting similar justification to abduct Ukraine’s president? Once this line is crossed, the rules that restrain global chaos begin to collapse, and authoritarian regimes will be the first to exploit it.”

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jan 2026, 20:46
#17
03 Jan 2026, 20:46#17

If we had a proper United Nations it would act to remove a leader that had seen his GDP drop by 80%, lost a third of his population putting pressure on surrounding states and sponsoring terrorism and the drug trade. It’s up to the Venezuelan people, except if they can’t act freely because of repression.


As for the Taiwan question, which is quite simply China threatening a prosperous country, I would guess China would be a lot less certain that the US won’t respond after today. But that’s the big question….before today and certainly after today.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Jan 2026, 20:50
#18
03 Jan 2026, 20:50#18

Well, the same could be said of many other countries, all of them coincidentally lacking the oil reserves that Venezuela has.


Seriously, if you can't see through this bullshit then you have to be . . . well . . . stupid!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jan 2026, 20:53
#19
03 Jan 2026, 20:53#19

The Us will never ‘take’ Venezuela’s oil….that’s totally naive.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
03 Jan 2026, 20:53
#20
03 Jan 2026, 20:53#20

The world according to Trump, Putin & Xi.


Ho Jo & Mo


Give em all fkng peace prizes

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Jan 2026, 20:55
#21
03 Jan 2026, 20:55#21

No, naive is thinking oil on a different continent belongs to you because you built some infrastructure around it.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
03 Jan 2026, 20:58
#22
03 Jan 2026, 20:58#22

Epstein who ??

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Jan 2026, 21:01
#23
03 Jan 2026, 21:01#23

"Epstein who ??"


Exactly.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jan 2026, 21:11
#24
03 Jan 2026, 21:11#24

No, naive is thinking oil on a different continent belongs to you because you built some infrastructure around it.


‘The oil belonged to the oil companies that paid licenses to explore and extract the oil. It was illegally confiscated without proper compensation…not my view, the view of international courts.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jan 2026, 21:14
#25
03 Jan 2026, 21:14#25

I suppose taking out the Iranian nukes was also because of Epstein

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
03 Jan 2026, 21:25
#26
03 Jan 2026, 21:25#26

America plans to release a war movie - It is called Saving Private Venezuela.

A story of how America saved the world from socialism (again). Trump will be portrayed as a demagogue, but how he preserved the American way.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Jan 2026, 21:38
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03 Jan 2026, 21:38#27

There will probably be several Hollywood movies or Netflix series about operation Maduro.


They will all glory in the precision and audacity of the raid and they'll probably be big money-spinners, but none of them will dwell on the greedy, imperialistic and self-serving reasons behind the operation . . . or the conceited, ignorant, amoral, fat-faced, pussy-grabbing liar who sanctioned it.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jan 2026, 22:07
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03 Jan 2026, 22:07#28

Oh the wailing. You are missing the one dubious point, will law and order be maintainable in a large mountainous country with this decapitation. That’s a serious concern and a bad result there could cloud the issues,

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
03 Jan 2026, 22:24
#29
03 Jan 2026, 22:24#29

Trump has announced that America will run Venezuela until a puppet government is established.

Trump said oil production will begin right away. He said a tremendous amount of oil wealth will be taken. (Not clear if it will be stolen)

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Jan 2026, 23:07
#30
03 Jan 2026, 23:07#30

So mission accomplished then . . . and all he did was break international law . . . but who cares about that?

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
03 Jan 2026, 23:24
#31
03 Jan 2026, 23:24#31

The Trumpanzee species are so proud of its master.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Jan 2026, 23:24
#32
03 Jan 2026, 23:24#32

Isn't the Nobel peace prize winner the actual duely elected leader of Venezuela...what did she have to say about it?

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
04 Jan 2026, 00:06
#33
04 Jan 2026, 00:06#33

Congress se moer ... who needs the rule of law when you've a batshit dictator at the helm.

Gods save America please .

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XaviPro1,924 posts
04 Jan 2026, 00:24
#34
04 Jan 2026, 00:24#34

.

https://files.catbox.moe/lgobqc.mp4


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
04 Jan 2026, 00:40
#35
04 Jan 2026, 00:40#35

Sen. Adam Schiff 6 hours ago

Nicolás Maduro was a thug and an illegitimate leader of Venezuela, terrorizing and oppressing its people for far too long and forcing many to leave the country. But starting a war to remove Maduro doesn’t just continue Donald Trump’s trampling of the Constitution, it further erodes America’s standing on the world stage and risks our adversaries mirroring this brazen illegal escalation. For months, as the Trump administration massed American servicemembers and firepower in the Caribbean, and used military force to destroy vessels and kill those on board, I and others in the Senate forced bipartisan votes to stop the illegal misuse of our armed forces. We warned that the true motive was not drugs, but regime change in an oil-rich nation. Despite all of the administration’s false denials, those motivations are now clear. Acting without Congressional approval or the buy-in of the public, Trump risks plunging a hemisphere into chaos and has broken his promise to end wars instead of starting them. And in conjunction with his continued saber-rattling around the world and dropping approval ratings at home, the American people should be concerned that this is not the last time he will break that promise. The President has vowed that this is not the end of our engagement in Venezuela, saying that ‘we'll be involved in it very much.’ Congress must bring up a new War Powers Resolution and reassert its power to authorize force or to refuse to do so. We must speak for the American people who profoundly reject being dragged into new wars.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
04 Jan 2026, 00:44
#36
04 Jan 2026, 00:44#36

bion ...

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
04 Jan 2026, 00:53
#37
04 Jan 2026, 00:53#37

Just saw this on social media


BREAKING NEWS

just as I fucking said. Trump just declared American forces will run Venezuela and American petroleum companies will enter the country to use their oil!

So stop lying to yourselves. That sentence already confessed everything.


Venezuelans, hear this clearly!

If foreign troops administer your country and foreign corporations control your oil, you did not get help. You lost sovereignty. You became a managed asset.

This is the oldest trick in modern geopolitics:

  1. Wreck economies,
  2. Install chaos
  3. Color revolution
  4. Extract resources
  5. Leave the population with ruins and lectures


Let’s review the greatest hits.

Iraq: “Weapons of mass destruction.”

Result? Millions dead, a destroyed state, permanent instability, and oil contracts flowing outward.


Libya: “We came, we saw, he died.”

Result? A failed state, open-air slave markets, zero democracy.


Afghanistan: 20 years of occupation.

Result? Taliban back in power, trillions burned, people abandoned overnight.


Syria: “Red lines.”

Result? Proxy war hellscape, mass displacement, regional destabilization.


Vietnam: “Stopping communism.”

Result? Millions dead, nothing achieved.


Panama: regime change on demand.


Chile: elected government crushed, dictatorship installed.


Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador: coups, death squads, “anti-communism.”


What about Gaza???

“Security” has become a license for endless destruction with zero accountability.

Now the same rotten script is being recycled for Venezuela.


Let me make this painfully clear!

No country has ever been bombed into freedom.

No democracy has ever arrived on fighter jets.

No population has ever prospered after “foreign administration.”

And no empire has ever invaded because it cared.

If your oil suddenly becomes “strategic,” your people become expendable.

If your failed leader is kidnapped, your sovereignty collapsed.

If your sovereignty is gone, your future is negotiated without you.


Yes, Maduro is a failure.

But failed leaders do not justify foreign ownership of a nation.

Real change comes from internal unity, not external force.

From people organizing, not foreign generals “saving” them.

From sovereignty, not submission.


So stop clapping for invasions.

Stop calling occupation “aid”.

Stop mistaking extraction for rescue.

Those who celebrate!

Open your fucking eyes.

History has already told you how this ends, you’re just refusing to read it.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Jan 2026, 02:54
#38
04 Jan 2026, 02:54#38

So I guess under these dictators Venezuela has lost 75% of its GDP, but there is now some great threat to the Venezuelan people because America is going to steal their oil. There wasn’t much interest in the plight of the Venezuelan people before this it seems, so once again this is largely anti Trump outrage.


What Trump has actually said is the US will administer the country until a proper transition can be made and US and other oil companies will be involved in trying to sort out the failing Venezuelan oil industry.


Trump has no interest in occupation, he was one of the earliest voices to get out of Afghanistan. And yes the US oil companies could benefit, but alongside the Venezuelan people not at their expense.



I can think of no modern case where the US has ‘stolen’ any resources or conquered a country to occupy it permanently. Some of the initiatives in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan failed, largely because these countries rejected change. Others like Kuwait, Germany and Japan were very successful. Nowhere were assets plundered, the American public wouldn’t stand for it.


This is not going to be easy, but for too long Latin America has been in a downward spiral. This is the first act by a major power to help and clearly without help change wasn’t coming soon. The hysteria is convenient and unwarranted. Venezuelan exiles were celebrating in Florida today…and there is a good chance this country could put on a better path,




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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
04 Jan 2026, 03:05
#39
04 Jan 2026, 03:05#39

Trump wants Afghanistan back? The very same base where Biden had the disaster, Trump says it is important to get back for American security.


America have never had a president like Trump before. He has attacked more than 8 countries in the last year- more than any American president. Using the precedent of past presidents is not a good yardstick for Trump.

He is going to steal their oil, you can be sure of that. It will be a puppet government that will follow the demands of Trump.


However, even though Trump has captured Maduru, apparently, more than 50% of Venezuelans are unhappy with the occupation. A civil war could happen. Once more Americans are on the ground, there will be more targets. It could turn into another Vietnam.


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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
04 Jan 2026, 03:43
#40
04 Jan 2026, 03:43#40

Venezuelan Military Response

Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino vowed "strong resistance" to foreign troops, mobilizing for national defense under a declared emergency. No large-scale clashes reported yet, but US soldiers faced fire during the raid.??


Venezuelan loyalists and military remnants could employ guerrilla tactics, urban sabotage, and infrastructure attacks against US presence post-Maduro capture.?


Immediate Responses

  1. Declare prolonged guerrilla warfare from 280+ prepared sites, using small irregular units for hit-and-run ambushes.?
  2. Mobilize colectivos (pro-regime militias) and 5,000-10,000 armed civilians for urban riots and "anarchization" to sow chaos.?
  3. Fire shoulder-launched missiles (e.g., Igla) and small arms at low-flying US helicopters and convoys, as during the raid.?


Infrastructure Sabotage

  1. Target oil refineries, pipelines, and ports like La Guaira to deny resources and create economic disruption.?
  2. Destroy bridges, power grids, and communication antennas, mirroring preemptive US strikes but in reverse.?
  3. Cyber attacks on US logistics or allied networks, leveraging Russian-supplied tools.?


Long-Term Strategies

  1. Blend into civilian populations for IEDs, sniper attacks, and assassinations in Caracas and rural areas.?
  2. Seek alliances with Russia/China for arms resupply via smuggling routes.?
  3. Propaganda-fueled uprisings to portray US as occupiers, rallying nationalists.?


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