Lol so if a guy is holding a gun and says "gimmie your wallet", I probably shouldn't give him my wallet, right?
...because doing that means I am supporting his effort.
This is your logic and surely you know exactly how lame it is.
Well here is the problem with you're analogy, you're assuming Ukraine isn't also holding a gun and has no other option and that's a good idea for other people not try and prevent people holding other people at gun point.
Ukraine are gonna to get even more fucked by Russia. You just can't deal with the fact that this is the real world and the good guy doesn't always win.
And so, what allows you to keep living in lala land is pretending that Ukraine could still win. That Russia may give up and/or Ukraine gets enough support from the West to allow them to beat Russia.
Are you of all people seriously going talk about the real world. That's up there with Mike's nonsense.
It's you that are leaving in lala land.
Lets look at invincible Russia's recent war record.
1905 Russo-Japanese War. Russia defeat.
1914-1918, World War I, Russia defeat
1919-1921, Polish-Soviet War, Russian defeat.
1939 Battle of Khalklin Gol, Russian victory and a pretty good one at that..
1939-1940 Winter War, Russian victory but Russian's military performance was extremely poor.
1941-1945 World War 2, Russian victory played the primary role in winning but was part of an alliance that included both Ukraine and the western allies.
1979-1989 Soviet-Afghanistan War, Russian defeat.
1994-1996 First Chechen War, Russian defeat.
1999-2000 Second Chechen War, Russian victory. (bribed a lot of Chechens to switch sides)
2022-ongoing Russo-Ukraine, ongoing but again the general consensus is the Russian military has under performed.
Russia's war record is mixed at best. Its an absolute myth that Russia is undefeatable.
There are a million reasons why that is not going to happen. Not the least of which is that Western aid is tapering and Ukraine are struggling to fill their ranks with the majority of their best forces already being removed from the table.
Have you been watching the news recently. In the last couple of days alone the west announced more aid and there is indications that they are about to make commitments to provide the aid long term out to 2027. The French are sending Storm Shadow Missiles to Ukraine, the Germans are sending more Patriot air defence systems, Leopard tanks and self propelled artillery, the Turks have announced they are setting up a drone manufacturing plant in Ukraine and sending them self propelled artillery will send the Turkish navy to protect Ukrainian ships exporting grain, while a coalition of European nations have agreed to train Ukraine in how to fly the F-16 and potentially other planes. The American's are sending cluster bombs.
As for the majority of their best forces, maybe some of them have been larger wiped out, but there is every indication that the Russian's are suffering just as badly and I'd put top dollar on the overall quality and morale of the Ukrainian's army to be higher than that of Russia's.
This while Russia is amassing ever larger forces and receiving help from the bottomless money pit that is China.
LOL. I notice you didn't even try to provide any evidence to back up the causality claims which sounds suspiciously like the number Russian propaganda channel claims any chance you can provide evidence of the bottomless supply of money from China which has its own economic problems at the moment. Sure Russia's army has got larger, filled with mostly conscripts but so has Ukraine's, who have gone to full mobilisation something Russia has not done. And its not like Russia has all this excess manpower and equipment sitting around back in Russia. Did you notice that Prigozhin recently little road trip to Moscow met no ground opposition?
Does this seem to you like a position from which Ukraine will gain anything by dragging this out for another six months, year...two years?
Its a position that doesn't conform to reality, so their is no point speculating on it.
Perhaps you dispute that this is the position that Ukraine find itself in?
I'd love to know what part of the above is not accurate.
Pretty much all of it.
I'm not supporting Russia. I'd much prefer they never invaded Ukraine.
But I refuse to keep buying the nonsense that Ukraine should keep fighting this losing battle and offer up even more land and lives in the process.
More Russian cool-aid. There is no indications Ukraine is losing, whether they can win or not is another question but if they where on the verge of defeat like you indicate care to explain why they are the ones on the offensive. And after the miserable amount of territory Russia captured in its Winter offensive, care to explain how Russia is going to "fuck Ukraine"?
And on a geopolitical level this war has already been a catastrophic Russian defeat. Valdimir Putin's is NATO's employee of the decade!
It's very simple.
From the start, I said that Ukraine should have negotiated with Russia and the West should have helped them negotiate. Had that happened, they'd have gotten a far sweeter deal.
No you said some utter nonsense about American's being able to supply Russian's with VPN's so they could convince them to stop the war.
Here is the only deal that would of satisfied Russia, installation of a pro Russian government, the permanent annexation of Crimea and the Donbass to Russia, the end of Ukraine's aspirations to join either NATO or the EU and consequently the end of democracy in Ukraine and defacto end of Ukraine as a sovereign state.
But now, following the "Ukraine until the last man" logic, Ukraine is going to be demolished and they're going to end up negotiating from a far weaker position.
The Ukraine until the last man logic, is another piece of Russian propaganda. War's never end in a fight to the last man. As for a far negotiating position that's far weaker, its far stronger than Ukraine being a satellite state of Russia.
Is that not extremely obvious to anybody reading this?
TLDR I hope my life never depends on the type of comic book depiction strategist you appear to be.
What's extremely obvious is your bias. Frankly reading you're posts I think a comic book is a bit too advanced for you. Seriously if you want to have a proper debate try read analysis from both sides and not just parrot Russian talking points.
People that know absolutely fa spout absolute shit that is fed to them but wishfull indoctrinated information.
Very apt description of yourself.