I hate South Africa

Harsh title, I know, but just felt I needed to get it out there. I know some of you haven’t been home for a while and some still live in SA. I have been living abroad for nearly 25 years now, mainly in the UK. I always managed to make a trip home with friends, kids etc. I was always very proud of it and was vey happy to encourage people to come visit. My excuse was always very simple, not enough work, their isn’t jobs in my profession and I’m better off being in big cities.

however, I later then said that it is the colour of my skin and I won’t be able to find a job. That if you do want to survive, you have to start your own business which I did but was burnt out by age of 21 which then led me taking a chance and I moved to Ireland.

However, I’m now back I SA and visiting mainly Cape Town, Garden Route and Klein Karoo.

What I’m witnessing is next level deprivation and destruction of a once great country and cities. The Garden has no longer any forest. Any major town , even small ones are scared by endless squatter camps that have now invaded the edges of these towns which were never there before. The streets are filthy and people loitering and harassing you non stop.

I always felt safer in smaller towns and felt you can walk through streets, but after being greeted by these eye sores, I also notice the sheer amount of electric fences. The one place we stayed in Plett had a security system and you had to push a special button just to go into the garden at night to prevent it from triggering the alarm.

Town after town was the same. It is an invasion of all these great towns and all that remains is the rotting carcasses of what was once such a beautiful place.

This is what happens when you have uncontrolled borders and an ineffective government.

Im seeing so many somalians and ethehopians, it is use to be Nigerians but now the whole Africa has just flooded in.

Yes, I’m a bit racist, as the place has been completely be destroyed.

But my disappointment is not directed to black people or the drunk coloureds but also the whites.

They have become so arrogant, those that have money have money. They are not friendly as the once bubbly South African we once knew but all scheming and caught up in their own world. I have never sensed so much aggression and hatred amongst all races.

However what got me the most is the lunatics on the roads and these are directly aimed at those white people with the Toyota furtuna. Big white SUV. I’m travelling 120 km or 80 miles an hour only for these bastards to try and overtake me on a solid line. The worst part was these bastards would overtake the car that is trying to overtake you while there are trucks.

This has been the worst visit home ever and will probably be my last. This country is fucked and it will die and rot. Europe or America may have their problems but I would far rather spend time in Italy or visit other European or American cities the ever coming back to this place.

I feel sick in my stomach of how awful this place has become. Those with Afrikaner blood, go to the US and take trump up on his offer. You will never regret it.

We that live here are the frogs slowly boiling or whatever the analogy is - the decline is gradual. I can imagine that for you coming back it's like being dropped straight into that boiling water, a shock to the system. Probably how I feel seeing videos and photos of places overseas where there are still a semblance of order and standards - clean streets, maintained infrastructure. What a luxury. And you were in the Western Cape? Be thankful you didn't see North West and higher up, or the Eastern Cape. Ten times worse. Dumps, one town after the other a potholed, refuse littered dump. So many small towns have no more of their character - every second shop is a Pakistani or some kind of foreigner selling the same cheap imported electronics and clothes and expired food and assorted shit as the shop two doors down. Most are just fronts for drugs and other dubious dealings. Yeah, SA has moved from the jewel of Africa to just another smelly armpit on this continent.

Sad to read bud - I was home in Grahamstown not that long ago - once a beautiful University city has now been reduced to an absolute shit hole - literally with more potholes than surface to drive on.

Rhodes University used to be such a vibrant, special place which has now completely lost its character

I find it sad that the school I once went to which in my day was sadly all white and now sadly become mostly black which of course completely changes the traditional culture of the school

Yes it reflects the demographics of the country but there is no longer a balance between the historical culture of the school and the new

I guess it’s the reality of SA and because I was born into a different SA, an incorrect one, I struggle a little with the new lack of balance

The last time I was here were with my kids about two years ago. Before then, I came with my wife and her family about 3 years ago and we visited Kruger. Yes, potholes was there, it still felt okay. Cape Town was coming out of lock down and COVID so many people camping in tents on the sidewalk in the very rich area of Sea point etc.

We just stopped for a quick bite in Franshoek and they have security everywhere to keep people in a bubble away from the skollies.

Don't forget, SA was once 20% white. We then had the aids epidemic and it was predicted that the country would become predominantly white, but after intervention to get them a generic antiretrovirale drugs to stop the rapid decline of the black population.

The black serving us were kind and very friendly. I have no problem with that, it is not a black or white thing. My family comes from Lambertsbay on the west coast and we never ever seen a black person there or black people. The only black person in the area was a guy called booi that lived in a Kaya on my granddads farm. I later learned that he was Zulu and came back with the Voortrekkers when they left Natal back to find a new route. He helped the boers in the 2nd boer war and when I met him as a 3 year old boy he was already in his 70s. He lived well over a 100 and outlived my grandfather who was 30 years his junior.

I think so many black people have now left the eastern cape and their home and have systematically encroached on traditional white areas. I have no problem with them living in the same towns, but I do have a massive problem with them squatting. They take up resources of the local community and add nothing. The ANC has failed them and never invested in their home towns.

I mean, what a wonderful place if I can find a nice hill side plot and then put my shack up. Then some more of my friends pull into next to me and they put their shack next to mine and so it goes. I never had to pay for the land or even bother to pay rent. I then start running dodgy cables from the nearest power line and just shit where I please. There is no rubbish collection so I just dump my stuff.

The local town council caves as they now are being taken over and soon get voted out because they are now outnumbered and so it spreads from town to town.

I don't care what race you are, I care whether you fit into the community and whether you participate in the social contract. You come because you have skill, because you can offer yourself up, you earn a fair wage and you can buy or rent, pay your rates and taxes like everyone else. If you fall on hard times the community will help out. The local town council will forfeit your services fees and you are part of the community.

NO, it is a complete invasion. The ANC plan in full flow. No matter the destruction.

This country could have been transformed with all the investment. The US had spent over $300 billon on SA over the past 30 years and what happened with all that money.

I look at the UK, after the war they created government programs that build social housing, created ship yards to build ships and opened up the mines. All you had to do is just go sign up, do you want to be a welder, a brick layer or something. Eventually it got privatised, not without it's problems but the country is standing. It lost so much in the war but it got its people working and contributing.

My wife's Grandparents lived all their lives in a small council house in Leicester, they paid a very small amount in rent and the house was just the right size for them. He was a coal miner all his life and lived to 84. The grandmother was a cleaner all her life. Nothing fancy, but their kids went to school, went on to become teachers and could afford their own homes.

There is so many willing people that would have benefitted if SA copied the UK, but no, they want to be communist because it gives them unchecked power.

Fuck SA, the elite whites that betrayed the country and the country comrades that tipped it over the edge, and yet, these dumb fucks keep voting for them

I’m going to hundred with you guys.

I was becoming a proper racist.

Until I travelled in to Africa.

it made me realise how it isn’t the race that I hate, but entitled black South Africans.

the world is full of color and I love it.

Kenya, Uganda, Zim, Botswana and even further north…

The world gone by made us all judge according to race, gender and wealth which was truly pathetic.

I am happy to concede that as a white male, we had it easier than most… historically.

However the bastard entitlists that we have in our country are neither smart enough nor hard working enough to lead.

we could have done this whole transition thing differently over the past 30 years.

fine, give them their free homes, free schooling and free whatever.

but they could have learnt a lot from white businesses, farmers etc… instead they kicked them out and tried to do it themselves, without a fucking clue.

now look…

I look at Grahamstown with utter despair as it literally looks beyond repair - it’s just too far gone

Why as a government can you be satisfied with this kind of treatment and outcome for a once beautiful and vibrant city - I use Grahamstown as an example as its home and where I have spent enough current time there to let the sad reality sink in

Where does it all end?

I love the black culture and people, they are so warm and friendly, but their rulers have let them down so badly - instead of building on what the whites had built they succumbed to corruption and let it all dive

We had the pathetic white rule with the pathetic apartheid system and now we have a pathetic corrupt incompetent black government sinking the country to its depths

If Africa is for Africans, they must stay in Africa. I see no reason to import their refugees.

'Korn I hear you.

I too visited South Africa about 2 years ago.....never again. Cape Town used to be my spiritual home, not anymore. I was lucky to come out of there alive, made a stupid mistake of driving through Khayalitsha on my way out to the airport. Hell, fortunately my door was locked and the only damage was to the car. I can go on, the only thing I will say, which I've always said, is that the blame lies with the arrogant, inept, clueless and useless ANC.

I cannot agree with members who claim they hate SA. Maybe bcause I grew up on one of the most historic farms n South Africa dating back to 1720 and over the centuries became known as a center of culture it created in itself a love of history and culture. We were brought up in an environment where in some ways colonial culture that separate people based on culture and background - much like the case was in the UK and was in a way isolated from even people of the same race,

In that environmnt my parents sacrificed much in serving the poor and deprived in the area - ie Whites and Coloreds. My grandparents even had poor Whites living on the arm and working for the farmer in return of sharecropping, My parents thought different and they inisted that the children of the Colored farm workers got educated and my mother had a colored lady who ran the house and worked for our family for over 50 years and we saw more of her than my parents. She he was a disciplairian From what I could make out in the 1950's and 60's status in the Colored community was determined by who and for whom the Coloreds were working, In a sense my parens were liberals and although family members were involved in politics we were taught by my parents to serve the people and help people that need help,

In a way my family was liberal in outlook in general they realized that apartheid was wrong they remain totally loyal to the country and taught us that your country and culture always must be respected, I sometimes see farm children who became professionals like teachers and nursing staff due to the help they got from my parrents and they are very much like myself. I left Riversdale in 1960 and for the next 55 years lived in Pretoria amd in KweaZulu-Natal where life became progrssively worse,

Life became more and more unbearable in Durban and ever more dangerous so I left the city and moved to a small seaside village called Tinley Manor Beach and got involved in enjoying friendship with the leading families in the area - but after 2007 it became worse virtually on a daily basis and eventually I decided to move back to Riverddale in 2015, In some ways the place changed with Nigerian and Chinese businesses operating in the town - but it remains a place where people were friendly and helpful. The Municipality is run by the alliance between the major and predominantly colored comunity and the Major has been a Colored since my return. Streets without potholes and clean sidewalks and parks and a thriving local community,

Life on local level was entirely different from what it was in the rest of the country - in fact it was totally different from my experieences in KwaZulu-Natal and for me moving from KZN was like moving to an entrely different country, However, even much better a place to live in the central government by the ANC also had its impact on Riversdale - where the central government run by the ANC are disliked by everybody, The Coloreds feared the ANC Government as much as the Whites fear for their future in other parts of SA.

With my background I can never come to hate the Country - all my life long I served the people of SA irespetive of race and culture, But in reality there is no place for the White,Coloreds and Indians in SA Governed by a corrupt ANC Government, I will give you a perfect example, By 2012 the Municipality had a fund of R500 million for streets and infrastructure upgrade, By 2017 the R500 million was gone without any street maintenance and infrastructure upgrade - it went down into a haven for looters and by now streets consist of potholes impossible to dodge,

In essence I hate the Government - but will never hate South Africa, If I was a 30-year old I would be on the first plane out - but being over 80 - I fear for the future of all Soiuh Africans of all races. I think most of the Blacks alse fear for their own future as well - of the 61 million people living in SA 20 million are,in fact illegal migrants from the rest of Africa. But corrupt Govenance in SA is the major problem and nobody has any security in a country with no hope for a better future,

So i hate what the country became under the ANC Government, but will never hate South Africa,

I have to agree with Flash, I spent time in Namibia, Botswana, Zim when it was still functioning. I then travelled all through eastern Africa which is spent several months there. The warmest welcome I got was when I cross the border into Rwanda. That place is so clean, they banned plastic. I still travelled with my SA passport at the time and they greeted me as their brother whilst the rest of Europeans waited ages to cross.

I have people from Morocco, Algeria and Ghana in my team. They are highly skilled and professional people. They are one of the hardest working people. We work in Fintech, they to had the same problem as I with their countries.

It is an African leader thing.

The only country that is waking up is Kenya. When you speak to the locals, they no longer blame the whites. They ban wild life hunting and you can't even buy or find a restaurant that will serve wild game like Kudu. The people know that the land that that are on are shrinking and that fathers and families have to keep dividing the land for the next generation and that for every generation the land starts shrinking. They know how to look after their country and their equipment as well as their businesses. They welcome white people now.

Then talking about my land. My family for many generations worked the desert up the west coast. There were no black people. They grafted and created communities and farms that worked very hard. It was only the 80s when the sons had to go fight on the border and by each generation the families got smaller and moved to the cities. My family started to have less kids. By my parents generation it was only 2 to 3 kids per family and in my generation only two of us has had kids out of 7 cousins. They choose not to have kids due to uncertainty and the cost to white families to have kids. My cousin stills works the farm where the rest of us have followed our parents to live in the city and abroad. To think that my Grandmother was one of 14 children and she spent all her life pretty much on the same farm and then in the area after she got married to my grandfather. They then moved back to the farm where my grandfather rented land and eventually bought the farm.

The west coast is the foot of Namib desert.

And yet, after so many years these entitled black South Africans go wherever they can to exploit and strain the system.

I agree that the South African blacks are the worst and most laziest and racist bunch of the lot. I blame the ANC for fostering and encourage them.

As people and individuals I have time for them, but then I look at so many who all act and behave the same. How much money can they steal and then spend on themselves to increase their status. Driving the most expensive car while the rest of the country collapses around them. They very eager to show off

This is my final thoughts, why do we get called colinist or sellers. We have now been here for hundreds of years. When we got here there were hardly any people. Only in Natal. We have a town called border as that is where the Xhosa lived on the other side of Kai river. There were no black people. The problems started then when they kept crossing the river to steal cattle and raid farms. It was a bloody clash, the whites never drove them off their land. Only some in the 60s but most of them kept their land.

Then look at all of these towns we built in the desert all over South Africa. The cities, the infrastructure, there were hardly any blacks. The real problem happened during unification after world war two and then the mines. So many black people were brought in to work the mines. The new system to encourage indenture working conditions on the farm and the harsh treatment of the coloured people. Like the Griquas and the KhoiSan on the west coast as well as the slaves that were brought from Malaysia.

However, whites have proven time and again that they can build towns, communities. Just look at Orania, what are they doing there. Are there any money being pumped into prop them up, no. They pull together and the form a social contract.

I have never seen any black community being able to do that

How many corrupt and inept leaders are there in white run countries? There are many.

But the population is smart enough to vote them out of power and is hard working enough that their excess makes up for most of the negatives resultant from poor leadership.

People take the easy way out and blame the ANC.

Just be honest, it's the leaders AND the useless population that cause SA to find itself where it does.

Cyril can be the worst president that he can, but it would not stop Tsepho from doing a good job a the licensing department or Portia from picking up the phone at Eskom.

If the black population of SA actually did the jobs they were being paid to do, South Africa would be a success and bad leaders would be brushed aside as South Africa moved forward.

Unfortunately SA has a black population with an extremely low IQ. Nothing can fix that and ALL SA's problem flow from that.

So, just be honest and call a spade and spade a spade.

The only way forward is a better Mixed race Government.

And the same counts for the population of South Africa, is to eventually bury the past and move forward excepting each other.

Still far far to much division and it Starts with white people!

Hating the country is not going to help and to be honest we don’t need those kind of people here…

After 30 years of being positive, I've given up a few years ago...we're so screwed...we've been brainwashed for decades to accept this as normal, ...it is not. People are not supposed to live like this.

Mike, MP, I don't hate the country. I hate the people that govern it and what they've turned it into. If we get a decent government and the wealth of this country gets properly applied, you won't recognize this place two years from now. I've seen how quickly a municipality can clean up a town and fix potholes once there's some media and other outside pressure. Just days and everything looks 100% better, but unfortunately that tends to be a once off effort that isn't followed up with maintenance.

That's perhaps the biggest tragedy of it all. How easily a lot of it can be fixed, and how it never will be under the current tossers or the millions of idiots who vote for them. We'll just keep sinking under the weight of welfare, corruption and unchecked breeding financed by the government child grants. Hundreds of thousands of children being popped out for a few hundred rand grant a month to the mother into a country that already can't feed, employ and support the current population. They have no future, and the ANC is okay with that because it buys voters.

The ANC is a disgrace that needs to be cut out yes. But besides that the country can be so much better if this hatred can just stop…

We need a proper Government that runs the country like a business that is profitable …

But that seems impossible as these ANC leaders are set on changing the country into a communist country…

So there Main tool, besides buying and forcefully demanding votes from the poor black people, is brainwashing there people with this Apartheid shit….

And ironically enough white people are proving them right by still living like in Apartheid….

Small things like you will see a rich white guy driving his New Hilux bakkie on a cold day, with him alone in the front and all the black people on the back crammed in like sheep…

Without a canopy of course….

Apartheid is still here and that makes the ANC,s job of brainwashing the Black population so much easier…

That is why I say it starts with white people.

Because if they can except more and treat Black people as there equals, the Millions of Blacks will vote for something more positive…

Belt Up

John Steenhuisen, Enoch Godongwana

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Belt Up

John Steenhuisen, Enoch Godongwana

Ja, the lie is that South Africans only have two options which is false. You either have to choose what we have now or choose apartheid. But there is in alternative.

The only way forward is to create independent states that set up their own laws and who can vote in those states. Same as any other country, you vote in the region you were born or where you lived the majority of your life.

Create a basic framework to co-operate between states and to help with national government on infrastructure and defense etc, but let each state manage themselves.

I know this sounds like the home land bs we had, but to be honest, right now I will gladly vote for a free homeland that doesn't discriminate against anyone and that favours the people born and live in the region. That can set their own rules etc. you can't just come and square and demand financial support

BB

S ouds like you would support an Independent Western Cape the ANC will neve allow, But then the ANC is losing support rapidly and all voters are losing paience with them like happened in African Countries losing patience what happened in all countries getting independent in former UK colones,

One of the main problems in SA renains tribalism - with the Zulu's, Xhosas and Pedi's being the main tribes/ Under Mandela and Mbeki the Xhosas were controlling the ANC - Under Zuma the Zulu's amd Pedi's uited t fiht the hosa control - while under Ramaphosa managed to get support rom the Xhosas,

There is a log history of hatred between the tribal grous in SA and the only real national factor at present is a united hatred of all illegal migrants in the country and b elements in the communit of Whites, Coloreds and Idnias,

A country can never suceed if it is based on hatred like the situation in SA is at present, , , .

Spot on Mike. They are different nations that was forced under apartheid to join forces. Remember how strong the IFP was or the PAC. The ANC is very smart and has powerful Russian and Chinese allies.

I hope the DA leaves the GNU and forces either a reelection or for Cyril to pack his bags. He is only there because he was able to make a deal with the DA. Their are many factions within the ANC. Zuma took the Zulus aka MK party and Malema the radical youth league who born our of violence and defiance which Wini Mandela created.

They are all from the same rotting tree or more parasitic vine suffocating South Africa.

Anyone who vote for these parties vote for the doom of SA.

But come to think about it, there is a Zulu land or Swazi land that has the king of the Zulus. There is even a Xhosa King. Then you have the Sotho, Ndenbeni, Nguni to name a few. Remember the royal bofekeng tribe that was the richest tribe due platinum land rights. I believe these states should be created that promote their culture identity and not melt into one and end up where we are now. Preserve their culture.

You are right, Africa is to tribal and can't rid themselves from this

@Saf why are you looking up single widows again?

Guys, do you honestly believe that good leadership can fix South Africa?

It's like you've moved from one delusion of the rainbow nation, to the next delusion that SA's problem is leadership.

Do yourselves a favour. Search IQ rankings by country on Google.

Anything below 90IQ is mostly a shithole country. The leadership is mostly inconsequential. If it was about leadership, and not IQ, then you would find 1st world countries with low IQs because finding good leaders isn't actually that difficult.

So, unless you believe that no country with an average IQ below 90 has ever had good leadership for an extended period, you simply have to accept that SAs major problem is the abject stupidity of its population. Many low IQ countries have had exceptional leaders but they never climbed out of the hole.

Now look at the Eastern European countries. They lived under the worst regime ever for a very long time, and once they became independent it didn't take them very long to climb out of the hole. Those countries are mostly safe and building strong economies. Do you think that would have been possible had their IQs been 69? Of course it wouldn't. Stop kidding yourself.

So, just accept that South Africa will continue trending down, until the living standard matches the IQ. And that living standard is poverty, dirt roads, failed infrastructure, crime, disease, corruption and most likely dictatorship.

It's because you are expecting something unrealistic that you keep being disappointed.

Here is a list of counties with IQs comparable to SA's;

1. Equatorial Guinea
2. Sierra Leone
3. Mozambique
4. Liberia
5. The Gambia
6. Guinea
7. Mali
8. Burkina Faso
9. Niger
10. Chad
11. Central African Republic

TLDR: Adjust your expectations.

Well Plum, the ANC won't be lifted out of power, and as they've just shown with the RNE, they'll deliberately sabotage any possibility of cooperation to the greater good with other parties. So that's just a dream anyway. I see people who have to beg for water from the municipality every day defending the ANC. As you say, too stupid.

But yes, I believe there's enough skill and good people in SA to fix a lot of ills if the opportunity comes along. It's not going to be perfect, but it can be a lot better. BUT, those efforts can of course be derailed by sabotage and whatnot and syndicates and mafias are so deeply entrenched in everything now that we're probably on a hiding to nothing.

I taught a class today.

10 adults.

i asked them at what temperature water boils.

Nobody could answer me. The one answer I got was...20 degrees.

I then asked what the temperature might be on an average summer day in SA...the same person answered me...25 degrees.

One really has to lower your expectations and simply understand that the vast majority of the country are actually incapable of contributing to its success.

There are places I'll remember

All my life, though some have changed.

Some forever, not for better;

Some have gone and some remain.

……

In life we tend to not appreciate things we have, take them for granted. I clung to CT even though my real base was in the States. I finally pulled up stakes in 2009. The blackouts, but more significantly several people in the immediate neighborhood experienced the threat of violent crime.

Watching whales from a chair in my lounge and driving 30 minutes for a lunch in a 300 year old vineyard were unique….irreplaceable.

The same thing in a way has happened in Chicago. People rarely venture down any more. It’s a beautiful city with skyscrapers right on the edge of Lake Michigan. Walking around at night in the theatre district was never a concern….the restaurants were amazing. All now threatened by the gangs.

We live in this 21st century world with wonderful things, together with people who haven’t evolved in 2000 years. And that goes all the way through to the Politicians, Putin and Xi still have dreams that would be close to those of Genghis Khan….domination of the surrounding tribes.

‘Black the night of ages past.’

Beauty, knowledge, material advancement and still violence. It’s a puzzling journey but the boys fighting in the Ukraine are at the tip of the spear. At least most of us have been spared that.

Unfortunately for the inhabitants of what remains of RSA it is impossible to correct for the one simple reason:

YOU CANNOT FIX Afrikaner or AFRICAN STUPIDITY.

Not all fit this statement but unfortunately most do.

Sorry to say but if you folks who are stuck in the country my heart goes out not to you, but your children.

I as a young man back in 1963 understood that RSA was on a course of self destruction with Nationalist government policies that allowed the staunch Afrikaans population to dominate each and every avenue of life for all the people of the country.

As a family we decided way back then to settle overseas eventually and after many trips overseas exploring our opportunities and a future for our family we eventually settle in Vancouver, British Columbia Canada.

Yes it is very difficult to make the move when you have to leave family behind but we promise to assist any family that wished to follow in our footsteps that we would assist them as much as possible.

We managed to assist both my wife's sisters and their family plus my in-laws to make the move and resettle in Canada.

Sure we have nostalgic memories of our friends, relatives and experiences who remained in RSA but my duty was to secure my immediate families safety, security and freedom that we have found in our new country.

Many friends who turned on us for leaving have over the years contacted us to assist them in making the same journey which we did without question.

As our Nigerian Doctor says and I quote: AFRICA IS A DOOMED CONTINENT.

LIGHTS OUT.

Amen.

Are those words in the beginning of your post from a Beatles song Moz?

So Plum you basically saying that we are fucked in SA because everyone is Dumbfucks ?? Like Dave would say :)

In my opinion that is not true….I agree with Pakie that there is enough intelligent leaders that can make a massive difference…

That is why I say it Starts with us and how we treat, interact with our Black citizens.

They do not trust us because in apartheid they were treated worse than Dogs!

How do you expect them to trust us when Apartheid is still very prevalent??

Also the grass is not always greener on the other side. I lived in Germany for 7 years….enduring the freezing cold, very high living costs and tremendous control from the Government.

Very clearly seen with this Fucked up Covid nonsense how all these first world countries went ballistic on the people….

Stop picking on South Africa, a lot of you sound like White elites….

Then back at the Ranch there is a lot of shit going on in first world countries to….

you name it war, corruption, Child Labor, filthy Woke nonsense, Fanatical Muslims taking over the UK, Ireland and Germany, Elites making poorer people even poorer and most of all the levels of Control on people is out of Control….

To all those ex-pats who now hate South Africa, you're entitled to your opinion but do us all a favour, don't come visit here if you hate it so much and go find a non-South African message board to vent your anger.

Seeing chicken-runners preaching their ignorant views about the conditions in South Africa from thousands of miles away is a little bit annoying. Most of you are trashing this beautiful country simply to try and justify why you left it.

We're doing just fine thank you very much. Great weather, great people and great potential. Sure, the ANC has screwed things up but they've been steadily losing power for some years now - as evidenced by the current government of national unity - and they will continue to lose support while they do nothing but enrich themselves.

Seeing the ANC getting thumped by record margins in recent ward elections gives me a lot of hope that they won't be any part of the next government and I'll be the first to say good riddance to bad rubbish . . . but in the meantime, stop trashing the country that you abandoned that gave you so much and worry more about the issues where you currently live . . . because wherever you are, you also have issues, don't kid yourselves otherwise.

I love South Africa. Always will.

Yep M…the John Lennon song. Still haunting.

Agree Rooi.

We don't visit the country.

We feel sorry for all the people irrespective of color who suffered through each and every day under the Nats/ANC but during life you have to take a stand and think of your family's safety and future rather than digging your own grave be it under the ANC or the Nats.

Fortunately for us we made a move early in life to secure a future for our family and some friends but we don't hold it against the friends who left it late in life and have been refused or rejected by countries that they applied to for immigration and now remain in RSA.

Believe me it was a very difficult call to make as in my case my roots in the country have been traced back to the early Cape settlers (and the first person to receive land rights in the Cape was Johannes Cloete) according to records.

Hopefully trust that all will work out for the best for all folks in the country.

The government has just given itself the right to expropriate property(not just land) without compensation.

And the requirement is simply that such expropriation must be in the public interest.

So if you have two of something and somebody else has zero of that thing, based on their idea of "equity", that permeates everything they do, it would be in the public interest to take one from you and give it to the somebody else.

Yes, the socialists read the above and wonder what is so bad about it. Like there is isn't a mountain of evidence to show that it leads to poverty and destruction.

Well, the NHI is "in the public interest" and pensions are property. Of course there'll be a touch of botched window dressing as the ANC completely screw up revamping a couple of buildings in JHB CBD for "akomodeyshin for owa peepol"...but you have to be retarded if you believe that to be the real goal of this this scam.

Do you guys know how the expropriation bill actually came to be?

The various political parties met in Pretoria to discuss it and to table ways that expropriation could work. The two options were expropriation with compensation and no expropriation. 5 minutes before the end of the meeting, a no-name politician from an obscure party raised his hand and suggested expropriation with zero compensation. There was no time left to discuss that option...so it went through to Cyril as a third option. And that's the one he chose.

It was all a setup. It was carried out in that way specifically so that there could be no discussion about it.

Devious means to a nefarious end.

Rooi, Cuba has fantastic weather a great people too.

"Rooi, Cuba has fantastic weather a great people too"

Knock yourself out, ButtPlug. Move to Havana. You won't be missed.

MP, I'm not saying that SA won't succeed because it's too dumb. Every bit of statistical, scientific and historical data is saying so.

All I'm saying is that I trust the evidence because there is nothing pointing in the other direction.

"Move to Havana"

Were I as big a fan of Marx as you are, then I might.

Buttplug responding to DumbAss . . . who hasn't even appeared on this thread. Drunk or gerook again . . .

Neither.

Watching the Lions actually.

Drinksbreak criticizing the motivations of others….some might say he lacked either the guts or the skills to compete overseas. Likely both,

Oh do shut your stupid little trap Moffie. I never had drinks breaks when I played school or club cricket. You clearly never even played a minute of the game and wouldn't know which end of the bat to hold.

As for running away, no, I never did . . . and I reckon my standard of living is way better than any of you chicken-runners living thousands of miles away from your country of birth and your extended families with grey, cold weather among people you can't identify with.

Me, I live in a city with arguably the best weather in the world and I'm spending at least 6 weeks of every year in beautiful places like the Kruger Park, Hermanus or Franschoek with my children and my grandchildren.