Impeachment thread . . .

Bozo's impeachment hearings start today and there'll be a lot more news to come later today, but in the meantime, here is a very interesting article worth reading.

I think most people accept that the Senate won't vote to remove Bozo from office if the House impeaches him, but as per the article above, that could change dramaticaly if the Senate vote is conducted by secret ballot rather than an open one and the article explains how that is possible.

I suspect many Republican senators support Bozo out of fear rather than their conscience (god help us if they actually support this bungling and self-serving fool) and a secret ballot could produce a very different outcome.

I also suspect history will not look very kindly on these Bozo-supporting loyalists and if one rat abandons the sinking ship then the others will follow very quickly. Here's hoping that sanity prevails and Bozo's next term is not a term in office but a prison sentence.

Prison sentence for what exactly?

hang the bastard

There has thus far been no real evidence in hearsay format and that is unlikely to change.  It is clear that the DP together with some state agents - especially from the CIA and State Department - are trying to get rid of Trump and that it is going nowhere.   The present scenario is that the DP is trying to make out something to cover up roguery in the 2016 election and use roguery again in 2020, because they have zero policy and worse to fight an election in November 2020.

Schiff is refusing to give evidence himself as he is likely to be the real whistleblower.   Also the so-called whistleblower is on an illegal funding operation and he has been reported to the IGI for that reason.   Like most DP associated people a crook as well.   

LMAO

They're just throwing crap, hoping something will stick...absolutely scandalous behavior for the last 3 years...accusation after accusation, with no proof/evidence whatsoever to back it up!

Childish petulance of the highest order..."We don't like him, so he must be removed, by hook or by crook...rules and laws ar for the pheasants" Typical Commie mob rule BS...Democratic my arse!

"REP. NUNES:

Lol...you are either stupid or a liar.

I agree they should hang Schiff...........Pencil neck Schiff should be hung up by his BALLS.

What a turd he is and to think that some folks in America trust him and his Demorats.....God help the USA.

With politicians and supporters like these traitors the military and modern weapons will not save the country as it will collapse from within.

Sorry I forgot to add Rooi......

Rooinek's true colors are coming through with all that raunchy talk about the acts that he is obviously accustomed to performing.

Lick, Lick, Lick.............hold your breath don't swallow the clincher will be delivered soon then you can fill yourself up real good.

FA.

Well once more you are all about ARSEHOLES,,,,,,,,,,

Your opinion counts for shit.

Now run along you moron and count the days until the President is reelected.

Four More Years.

If Trump is impeached, then Beeno should be impeached to the only post in the Beeno section. 

So here are  Ingraham's take aways from day one of the low budget Russia hoax sequel (Nunes).

1 No criminal conduct.

2  It's all hearsay.

3 Ukraine has done better under Trump ( the star witness agreed  the Trump aid was a substantial improvement).

4 Investigating Burisma is in the national interest.

None of the two key witnesses identified an impeachable offense when invited to do so. A bad day for conspiracies.

And then they brought in therapy dogs to help the Democrats dis tress. I kid you not!

Looks like the impeachment inquiry is about to implode

Ja I know I'm a cynical so and so, but man this just looks like the Dems being set up to shoot themselves in the foot 2020.

Why though?

Is it really as simple as stacking the Republican deck for consent to destroy Iran? 

"who left in a self-righteous puff of indignation"

"If you've taken the trouble to return to this forum with your tail between your legs,"

LMFAO

This is from the same person who told every single poster on this forum to "Fuck Off" and ran away, and then returned with his tail between his legs...….

Too funny...….

Rooi

I'm still astounded that you're buying into all of this. 

Here are some other things the opposition party have accused him of...

Racism - No evidence.

Selling his office - No evidence

Pissing on Russian hookers - No Evidence.

Collusion with Russia - Evidence to the contrary.

Destroying America - Evidence to the contrary.

Obstruction - No Evidence

Incompetence - Evidence to the contrary

And on and on.

It's literally amazing to me that you haven't looked at all of this and realised that even if you don't like Trump, the Dems have been and are to date, well out of bounds.

It's clear that you don't like the guy. 

It's just amazing that you hate him more than you appreciate due process and democracy.

Shameful really.

To the point where I'm almost certain you're just trolling. 

As  I've said before, there is no party that historically has my loyalty. 

You're obviously not an idiot so how you can reconcile a smear campaign comprising all major tech companies, most major news networks and news outlets, the majority of the entertainment industry and every last deomocract...well it's beyond me.

Are you not able to see that this is one giant evil machine trying their level best to get rid of an outsider that, on three years of evidence, is only seeking to carry out his mandate as president.

The fact is that the machine is so large, willing to go to such lengths and has that much sway over public opinion while clearly not giving much of a shut about the people it's supposed to serve.

Trump may be a doos. 

The reality is that his presidency has shone more light on the military industrial complex and corruption at the highest levels of government.

It's frightening. 

And you seem to just clap proceedings ahead.

...because Trump is "self-serving" and an "idiot".

Incredible. 

Well said Plum

Piss Mint is not trolling...… he really is just that fucking stupid

Rooi

By the way, your half-arsed answers and quoting small bits of statements tells me that you probably see this for what it is but have no real defense.

Easy to C&P one line, make a jab and then ignore the entire thrust of an argument.

Only, it doesn't save nearly as much face as you may believe it does.

By the way, you also ducked out of my questions on the engine room of communism.

I'll pencil that one down as a win ;)

Au contraire guy.

You'll note that I raised various points for you to contradict. Then there is also the thread on communism where I virtually emplored you to give your view. That thread(Bozo's Days Are Numbered) is directly related to this topic.

Your conclusion about insults of stupidity are just a longer version of half-arsed answers.

You know that you haven't given us anything other than a personality-based opinion.

Can you see the absolute fractal nature of this thing?

Can you!?

Really though, can you?

You: "Let's assume humans had no faults. In other words, they would not fail any system that you set them up in. 

Would communism be your choice?"

Me: Yes.

Rooinek

I did not listen to CNN on the hearing.   From what I caught on was that all witnesses had nothing to do with the phone call and their problem relates to another issue.   Fact is the DP used Ukraine to help them in respect of the Russian Hoax story that led to the Mueller investigation and the present investigation is entirely aimed at covering up what the Obama administration did in that case.

The fact is that none of the witnesses knew anything about the phone call - but knew about what the roll was of Biden in the scenario relating to the 2016 election - but more importantly whether there was corruption involving the Bidens and other DP seniors,

Why is the whistleblower not called up to give evidence and why are there documental prove that some people now giving evidence colluded with Schiff before the whuitleblowers report surfaced?   

The hole thing has two political reasons, namely -

*    to cover up the real involvement of the Obama Administration in the Russian Hoax situation; and

*    an effort to undermine the Trump election campaign next year.

The real problem is there is a mountain of real evidence of serious corruption under the Obama administration and re-election will open the field for a number of them going to jail for corruption.

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I don't normally respond to the following BS but this time I will.....

Looks like the impeachment inquiry is about to implode

I made the comment after watching some of the impeachment inquiry early this morning(AEST), admittedly I didn't watch all of the procedure but I believe I saw enough to convince me of the above.

I don't have Koosie's hate neither do I wish I have but if I did he probably wouldn't accuse me of " Dense's primal urge to ram his snout up his masssster's arsehole..." if I said something like...... From what I've seen so far I don't think the democrat case is strong enough to lead to Donnie's impeachment but I hope they find the cunt guilty anyway and I hope he's put away for a very long time. That way he won't realise his wish of building a resort in Moscow. 

Happy now Bitterbal?

LOL Rooi

You know exactly what I was asking. There's even a neat summary in the following...

"Dude, we were talking about communism. 

I said that I think you resonate with the outcomes, not the actual doctrine. 

Which may or may not be correct. You'll likely say that that there are plenty of principles and rules that make sense to you and which you support, regardless of outcomes.

So, I just want to know more about what you meant. 

...because as far as I can tell, you did only mention outcomes."

Hmmm . . . I think I see now. So basically, I could say to you "Plum, I'd like to know more about your thoughts on the meaning of life" and then after you type up thousands of lines that sum up your feelings on the matter I could say "no, that's not what I meant, you're not answering the question."

I'm sorry, you'll have to be a bit more specific than "I want to know more about what you meant." I don't have a few days spare that I can type up my world view. 

"Were you knowledgeable on the platform that sets up its outcomes, you'd likely have elaborated by now."

Equality and protection of weak is not a desired outcome unique to communism. Surely you know this?

One last time. Why choose communism over another system which has a) a better track record for actually achieving prosperity and equality and b) never killed nearly as many people.

Which naturally leads to the question...

What is it exactly, desired outcomes aside, that makes communism your preferred choice?

Again, the desired outcomes for various systems are similar to identical. What separates them is not the desired outcomes but rather the means by which they aim to achieve those outcomes.

I'm asking you to discuss your preference for the method of communism. Not the final product.

Plum, we started off going around in little circles and now we're going around in bigger circles . . . but we're still just going around in circles.

Did you actually read my original post where I conceded that communism has yet to be implemented successfully?

Anyway, if it helps:

"Why choose communism over another system which has a) a better track record for actually achieving prosperity and equality and b) never killed nearly as many people."

a) Prosperity is one of your desired outcomes, not mine. I didn't list prosperity. I listed equality, common ownership and the abolition of class/status. If you know of a system that achieves those same ideals and has been implemented successfully then say what it is . . . right now you're just referring to a rather vague "another system". (If your answer is going to be capitalism then I'll just have a chuckle and we can end this debate.)

b) Refer to what I've told you on at least 4 occasions already about communism being a disaster wherever it's been implemented.

"What is it exactly, desired outcomes aside, that makes communism your preferred choice?"

Communism is the only socio-economic system I know of that has the theoretical desired outcomes that I'm looking for. I'll vote for any Green/Environmental Party but I don't see that as a socio-economic system.