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Interesting take on China’s current woes

Started by Mozart5 REPLIES295 VIEWS· 25 Aug 2023, 00:59
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Aug 2023, 00:59
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25 Aug 2023, 00:59#1

The economy grew at an annualised rate of just 3.2% in the second quarter, a disappointment that looks even worse given that, by one prominent estimate, America’s may be growing at almost 6%. House prices have fallen and property developers, who tend to sell houses before they are built, have hit the wall, scaring off buyers. Consumer spending, business investment and exports have all fallen short. And whereas much of the world battles inflation that is too high, China is suffering from the opposite problem: consumer prices fell in the year to July. Some analysts warn that China may enter a deflationary trap like Japan’s in the 1990s .


Yet in some ways Japanification is too mild a diagnosis of China’s ills. A chronic shortfall in growth would be worse in China because its people are poorer. Japan’s living standards were about 60% of America’s by 1990; China’s today are less than 20%. And, unlike Japan, China is also suffering from something more profound than weak demand and heavy debt. Many of its challenges stem from broader failures of its economic policymaking—which are getting worse as President Xi Jinping centralises power.

A decade or so ago China’s technocrats were seen almost as savants. First they presided over an economic marvel. Then China was the only big economy to respond to the global financial crisis of 2007-09 with sufficient stimulatory force—some commentators went as far as to say that China had saved the world economy. In the 2010s, every time the economy wobbled, officials defied predictions of calamity by cheapening credit, building infrastructure or stimulating the property market.

During each episode, however, public and private debts mounted. So did doubts about the sustainability of the housing boom and whether new infrastructure was really needed. Today policymakers are in a bind. Wisely, they do not want more white elephants or to reflate the property bubble. Nor can they do enough of the more desirable kinds of stimulus, such as pension spending and handouts to poor households to boost consumption, because Mr Xi has disavowed “welfarism” and the government seeks an official deficit of only 3% of gdp.


Why does the government keep making mistakes? One reason is that short-term growth is no longer the priority of the Chinese Communist Party (ccp). The signs are that Mr Xi believes China must prepare for sustained economic and, potentially, military conflict with America. Today, therefore, he emphasises China’s pursuit of national greatness, security and resilience. He is willing to make material sacrifices to achieve those goals, and to the extent he wants growth, it must be “high quality”.

Yet even by Mr Xi’s criteria, the ccp’s decisions are flawed. The collapse of the zero-covid policy undermined Mr Xi’s prestige. The attack on tech firms has scared off entrepreneurs. Should China fall into persistent deflation because the authorities refuse to boost consumption, debts will rise in real value and weigh more heavily on the economy. Above all, unless the ccp continues to raise living standards, it will weaken its grip on power and limit its ability to match America.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Aug 2023, 01:08
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25 Aug 2023, 01:08#2

Another leader pursuing ‘national greatness’ and creating    economic failure. You can’t legislate economic success….it comes by rewarding accomplishments and encouraging innovation. The US economy is fueled by this…..so the human capital, the knowledge, the drive, the experience is incredibly deep. 

China by contrast has been punishing its most innovative leaders.

As a species we never learn, yet another leader with visions of global dominance.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Aug 2023, 05:12
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25 Aug 2023, 05:12#3

So Biden has introduced a regime in the USA causing inflation and Mozart regards that si economic growth.   Is the USA GDP growing  or declining.   I the GDP grows you are talking real growth in economy.     Inflation based economies show paper growth - but the ultimate collapse into such a situation will always be inevitable.   The arguments Mozart mentioned come straight from WH  propaganda and that makes it unreliable.

The middle class in the USA are struggling to survive and the working class gets poorer all the time - while the rich coins in on artificial claims of prosperity.                 

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
25 Aug 2023, 05:28
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25 Aug 2023, 05:28#4

You seem happy that your stocks are rising of the back of a war. 

However the 137 billion ploughed into a country that's more corrupt than Mexico will come back to bite your economy. 

Stick with BRICS... mozzietite. 


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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
25 Aug 2023, 06:21
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25 Aug 2023, 06:21#5

T he time of the West forcing their self serving narratives onto the rest of the world is fast coming to an end.

The many wars and turmoil that they have and continue to cause around the world, have always had one thing in common, to protect and preserve their own interests and way of life .. The "bad people that need to be stopped" narrative has over time proven to be nothing but BS.

As the saying goes, you can't fool all the people all the time.

They have managed to get away with much indeed, never doubt tha

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Aug 2023, 07:32
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25 Aug 2023, 07:32#6

 % growth rate in the US. What utter nonsense. Stopped reading there and then. all the polls show the economy is the biggest concern A mericans have. 

Mozzzzz sinks to a new globalist low.

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