DA, what ulterior motive do you think Kent would have to lie or make any of this up?
He gave up his job.. I think that alone entitles him to be taken seriously.
Of course it's true, it's the opposite of what Bozo is saying.
Firstly, if you received "confirmed" and "credible" intelligence that Iran was going to strike the US, would you do what Trump did.
Sure that would justify a military response. But if he confirmed and credible intelligence we would know about it by now and no I don't expect the exact details of such intelligence to be published but we would have at least confirmation now by the US intelligence community and politicians who would have access to the intelligences or are on intelligence committees that such intelligence existed. We don't they have stated the exact opposite. It doesn't exist.
Ok, well let me ask you the same questions I was posing to others, given what info the White House has recently released.
They've released nothing. Trump a compulsive liar making a statement that Iran was about to attack the US is not releasing something, it's just him saying something that should we treat with the upmost scepticism given his track record, a track record so bad that everyone's default position should be to assume he's lying unless we have concrete evidence to suggest otherwise.
Secondly who would you believe in this war, as an outsider, given all the bullshit flying around.... Iran or Trump.
I don't trust Trump, I don't trust Iran. but that's irrelevant, if you make an accusation or a claim it's up to the person/people making the claim or accusation to prove it not the other way around.
The biggest threat right now to international stability is America. They are a rogue state.
Central America is getting bullied, as are Greenland and Canada. Now it is Iran,
Sure, some of these countries are run by bad people, and they have a decent amount of bad supporters.
However, there are still decent people.
Trump can just make any accusation and send his army into war.
The very person in charge of the operation are saying that Israel Lobbyists got America into the Iran war.
There is so nothing in this thread. As usual, liberal disputes are demonstrations of vacuum running into circles.
The OP works on a false premise. Typical liberals; they shift the blame, deflect, dilute responsibility, avoid accountability.
Liberals have a long history of turning criminals into heroes. It gives many references. The US and liberal Israel work as partners in crime. They motivate each other to push their own boundaries, one initiates a course of action, the other follows, the other initiates, one follows etc Once caught, they charge each other.
Of course, both criminals want the same thing, they push for the same outcome. Crime is for them a sort of friendly competition.
Even the claim is correct, it only works because the US want the same as Israel The US want to get rid of Iran as Iran compromises the US as the global hegemon
Already stated it, liberals have designed many frameworks to measure rationality in decision making. Any entity in this situation will rationally dissociate from the other. This could go as to taunting the other with a 'if you want to do it, do,it.'
Same thing as criminals two liberal dudes want to commit a heist, one is tepid and reluctant, the other pushes him by claiming he is going to use dynamite and blow the whole bank. One joins because he wants to do the heist in the first place.
Israel does want nothing that the US want. Somaliland is another example, the US want it to happen and Israel does the job. Any opposition from the US is just posturing.
Intel on what? Enriched uranium? Stealing from Iran would require boots on the ground even if the US and liberal Israel achieve their goal of triggering a civil war in Iran.
If not that, intel on what? Obama being a national traitor based on irrefutable evidences? Obama leaking classified information on UFOs? When will the criminal Obama be arrested? It would have cost fewer innocent lives than bombing Iran.
DA, what ulterior motive do you think Kent would have to lie or make any of this up?
I honestly have no idea at at all ... but then again, I also have no idea at all why Trump continues to lie and exaggerate ... we will never fully know why people do what they do
but he's not batshit ?
We don't they have stated the exact opposite. It doesn't exist
Still to be determined
They've released nothing
I was referring to the released statement that I mentioned earlier, not proof
a track record so bad that everyone's default position should be to assume he's lying unless we have concrete evidence to suggest otherwise.
I can understand why people think this way
I don't trust Trump, I don't trust Iran. but that's irrelevant, if you make an accusation or a claim it's up to the person/people making the claim or accusation to prove it not the other way around.
It's not irrelevant at all... because if you keep banging on that Trump is a compulsive liar and that he is also outright lying about why this war was started..... does that mean that you rather trust what Iran are saying about this, and therefore support them instead of Trump...... it's a simple question.... whose side are you on here, because it can't be 50 / 50 when lives are being lost every day.
does that mean that you rather trust what Iran are saying about this, and therefore support them instead of Trump...... it's a simple question.... whose side are you on here, because it can't be 50 / 50 when lives are being lost every day.
Very funny... Factionalism, peeps, factionalism... And dehumanisation.
It is very funny. See how liberals work. People can not have principles or nothing. It matters a lot as liberals are en route to kill hundreds of millions people.
It is very old and dates back in fact to the very start of liberalism.
Remember, peeps, liberals came up with the claim that human beings have inalienable rights etc
It works on several layers, and for the fun of it, christianity is added to the mix. Christianity frowns on people throwing around false accusations.
A liberal throws dodgy accusations, it is pointed out, and liberals translate it immediately as siding not with the principle but siding with the guy who is accused. If even the accused dude has bad press, it is siding with scum.
If now the story of unalienable rights is thrown in, pointing out that even scum people are human beings, the recipe for dehumanisation is revealed.
Trump may have lied to his own constituents, it does not matter because Iranians are scum anyway, and liberals can skim them out no matter out.
That is how this board is so enjoyable, so funny.
Liberals trying simple questions, it is very funny.
Maybe a simple way for the Trump administration would be to reveal the evidence they have on this immediate danger. There is this liberal dude in charge of the intelligence service, the liberal woman who has irrefutable evidences against Obama the national traitor who reported she had no insight on the immediate threat caused by Iran. She works for the Trump administration and she has no clue about this imminent attack. It makes two people. And fire her by the way, she has still not convinced the DOJ to press charges against the liberal Obama.
Many liberals should be in prison right now and it has not happened yet. Nobody is above the law, liberals say.
"if you keep banging on that Trump is a compulsive liar and that he is also outright lying about why this war was started..... does that mean that you rather trust what Iran are saying about this"
For the third time, no. Just because we don't trust or believe Bozo's bullshit, we don't trust or believe Iran.
Not that Iran have lied that much about the war. I'm sure they have as well but all they've really said is that they will fight to the death and I kind of believe them.
Bozo lied about his reasons for starting this war. It was a barefaced lie that Iran was an "imminent" threat.
Seems to me that Bozo didn't really have any reasons other than doing what Bibi told him to do . . . and there are no plans or objectives . . . they're just winging it.
Be serious for a moment, Rooi.
Explain what form you think that coercion came in. Unless you are saying that Israel simply told the US to attack Iran and they agreed.
For me, I could argue that Israel forced Trump's hand, but I can't see it happening on a simple day so. There would need to be more too it.
I'm saying it wasn't just Israel telling Bozo to attack Iran, it was also the "Jewish lobby" - a euphemism for a large percentage of the world's wealth.
What sway do they have over him? Are you suggesting it's a pay-war?
In the situation you're suggesting, Trump would need to be incentivised somehow.
For the third time, no. Just because we don't trust or believe Bozo's bullshit, we don't trust or believe Iran.
So who are you supporting in this war then?
You keep on blaming Trump and his administration for this war.....fine.....and you also both don't agree with Trump for starting this war......we get it...... you have made that extremely clear to everyone on this forum.... multiple times
However, you also can't just sit on the fence here.....so..... does that mean that you and Stav are supporting Iran in this current war because of what Trump has done..... just like I assume that you are supporting Ukraine against Russia because of what Putin did...
Simple question......Iran or Trump.... who do you and Stav support?
A decent number of American politicians are guns for hire. Lynsey Lohan Graeme is a war monger who profits from conflict.
Why is America so friendly with Israel? There must be Israeli lobby groups paying the US government officials.
As for Trump, everything is a trade deal to him. Many of his tariffs were really just an attempt to
DA, I'm supporting an end to the war.
Plum, of course it's a pay war. Everything about Bozo is transactional. Why should this (the single greatest "Deal" he'll be remembered for) be any different?
Look at his nature.
Somebody is making a fortune from this war. Bozo's sons by the sound of it are among them.
DA, I'm supporting an end to the war.
I am sure that we are all supporting an end to this war, and the sooner the better.
A lot of people on this forum have already said which side they are on or supporting, and why ....
I just find it extremely interesting that some people don't want to express their opinion on who they support in this war, despite a few requests.
Here's why I find it very interesting, especially from the people that are continuously targeting Trump
According to yourself, Stav, and Bob, Trump started an unnecessary war, but so did Putin
According to yourself, Stav and Bob, Trump is a narcisist.... but so is Putin
According to yourself, Stav and Bob, Trump is a egotistical maniac.... but so is Putin
According to yourself, Stav and Bob, Trump listens to nobody.... but neither does Putin
According to yourself, Stav and Bob, Trump only has "Yes" people around him... but so does Putin
According to yourself, Stav and Bob, Trump can never ever be trusted... but neither can Putin
According to yourself, Stav and Bob, Trump is a compulsive and repetitive liar.... but so is Putin
According to yourself, Stav and Bob, Trump is a responsible for many deaths in this war... but so is Putin
I could go on with many more comparisons that you have all brought up before about Trump or Putin..
So ....here's the thing.
Trump is apparently all the things that you either dislike, despise or hate about Putin, which is why yourself, Stav and Bob have always supported Ukraine in their fight against the bad man ...Putin.
However, when Trump does the exact same things to Iran, that Putin has been doing to Ukraine, there are apparently no sides to be taken in this war... just support that this war must end...... interesting.
Just like the Ukraine - Russia war, this war with Iran is not a hypothetical situation.... it is real and happening right now.... however, for some reason.... some people can't say what side they support with this Iran war, but they can very easily constantly voice their support for the Ukraine - Russia war.....yet both men who started these wars, are "apparently" guilty of doing the very same things.....
It's mind boggling how people are evading answering who they support here in this war.
According to yourself, Stav, and Bob, Trump started an unnecessary war, but so did Putin
Yes.
According to yourself, Stav and Bob, Trump is a narcisist.... but so is Putin
According to yourself, Stav and Bob, Trump is a egotistical maniac.... but so is Putin
Putin isn't known for plastering his name all over airports, buildings and stations. I don't see Putin whining like a pathetic baby about being given a Nobel Peace prize. I don't see Putin anywhere near Bozo's levels of narcissism or egomania . . . or incompetence for that matter.
According to yourself, Stav and Bob, Trump listens to nobody.... but neither does Putin
Yes for Bozo but I'm not so sure about Putin. He hasn't eroded all his advisors into a tiny group of lickspittles as far as I know.
According to yourself, Stav and Bob, Trump only has "Yes" people around him... but so does Putin
Yes
According to yourself, Stav and Bob, Trump can never ever be trusted... but neither can Putin
Yes
According to yourself, Stav and Bob, Trump is a compulsive and repetitive liar.... but so is Putin
Yes
According to yourself, Stav and Bob, Trump is a responsible for many deaths in this war... but so is Putin
Yes.
Trump is apparently all the things that you either dislike, despise or hate about Putin, which is why yourself, Stav and Bob have always supported Ukraine in their fight against the bad man ...Putin.
However, when Trump does the exact same things to Iran, that Putin has been doing to Ukraine, there are apparently no sides to be taken in this war... just support that this war must end...... interesting.
I don't think either the invasion of Ukraine or Iran was justified and I think the reality is that both campaigns are going very badly for Putin and for Bozo respectively.
I do feel more solidarity with Ukraine than I do for Iran for whatever reasons but my personal allegiances aside, both wars are unnecessary, have caused tragic loss of life, are expensive and unpopular back home.
When it comes to the Ukraine war I am more on the side of the defenders, Ukraine.
When it comes to the Iran war I'm less on the side of the defenders Iran but still not pro USA. I don't have a dog in the fight. Operation Epic Fail is a disaster for the whole world and the sooner Bozo packs it in the better.
I don't care who wins or loses, as long as all this hatred, religious intolerance and nuclear threats ends.
I just can't answer your question with any more than that. I'm not on the side of the USA or Iran.